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sherlockpotter said:

Icecream2448 said:

Maybe her saying “No…” (shot of her catching the lightsaber) “I am a Jedi!”

It sounds good in theory, but shuffling the words around even more more risks throwing the lip sync more and more out of whack. Maybe it will look okay? I’ll work on it.

There’s also the problem of getting a clear sound bite with the proper tone and inflection - which is the main problem I’m having with finding a good alternate source for “a [Jedi].” There’s gotta be something out there though, right?

Another potential source for words: press interviews with Daisy Ridley.

“It’s like rhymetry. They poem.” - Leorge Gucas

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In an edit I did I really wanted Rey to say I am a Jedi. I even tried for I’m a Jedi (in TROS she says I’m NOT I am.) No sound bite I found matched up well. So I tried the uh sound from the existing dialogue and the result was less than satisfying. This was last year and I spent an obscene amount of time trying to make it work. It seems like this is the same result now. It just doesn’t sound quite right. With the way she really needs to say it the best (easy) way is to do it from a rear shot of her. Which is also less than ideal. It may seem like an uphill battle but the key here to make it sound and look right is finding alternate dialogue from Rey and digitally altering her mouth movements. No easy task to pull of convincingly.

heil Palpatine!

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I think it’s best to leave “all of the sith” in. Rey’s reacting to that makes more sense than her reacting to any of his other lines, and it’s in-character for Palpatine’s last line to be over-the-top and full of confidence.

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Icecream2448 said:

Maybe her saying “No…” (shot of her catching the lightsaber) “I am a Jedi!”

I was thinking this as well. However, it doesn’t make sense as a logical response to what Palpatine is saying to her in that scene.

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The only way I can see the dialogue working with Rey saying “No” is as follows:

Palpatine: “I am all the Sith! A scavenger girl is no match for the power in me. You are nothing.”

Rey: “No… I’m a Jedi.”

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DZ-330 said:

The only way I can see the dialogue working with Rey saying “No” is as follows:

Palpatine: “I am all the Sith! A scavenger girl is no match for the power in me. You are nothing.”

Rey: “No… I’m a Jedi.”

Oh… Yeah, that would work. lmao.

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The issue is, of course, the footage and the music. Only “I am all the Sith!” and the back half of “…scavenger girl is no match for the power in me.” have shots of Palpatine’s face, unfortunately; so one of those has to be his last line - unless you choose to put “you are nothing” over the tension-building silence before Rey speaks.

My previous mockup was just done messily in stereo and with music from the OST, so it wasn’t usable in a 5.1 edit. It also noticeably omitted Palpatine’s final thrust of lightning just prior to the big pause and Rey’s lines. Thus, I have produced a second mockup.

This one is clearly much worse paced, with a big awkward silence, but that’s because I’ve kept it 100% in sync with the original version of the sequence for now in order to keep the music entirely intact. The big thing I did with this mockup (besides 5.1) is to combine the ending of the original “I am all the Sith!” Palpatine shot with the “…scavenger girl…” shot, so I could have Palpatine still do his big blast of electricity.

I’ve been messing with “I’m a Jedi” for ages and also am never satisfied with it. No matter how much I shift and fade the clipped up bits of the line, it still sounds hurried - or, at worst, like she’s saying “I’m the Jedi” or bizarrely even “I’m with Jedi”. There’s certainly no way to get her to sound defiant or triumphant saying it, unless you totally replace it, because the original line is said with a sort of subdued surprise.

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sade1212 said:

The issue is, of course, the footage and the music. Only “I am all the Sith!” and the back half of “…scavenger girl is no match for the power in me.” have shots of Palpatine’s face, unfortunately; so one of those has to be his last line - unless you choose to put “you are nothing” over the tension-building silence before Rey speaks.

I think putting “you are nothing” over the silence would be a good idea as Rey would respond more quickly to saying she’s is a Jedi, which I think helps even more to remove the Endgame-ness of it. Are you able to mock that up?

The Skywalker Saga:
I · II · III · IV · V · VI · VII · VIII · IX
This is the way.

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DZ-330 said:
I think putting “you are nothing” over the silence would be a good idea as Rey would respond more quickly to saying she’s is a Jedi, which I think helps even more to remove the Endgame-ness of it. Are you able to mock that up?

Sure. Here’s a mockup with “You are nothing!” shifted a little later to alleviate the awkward silence, and here’s one with it shifted all the way to the end as DZ suggests. (Edit: maybe it’s a little quiet there, but you get the idea)

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I honestly don’t hear anything off about the mockup of her saying “I am a jedi”. Not saying the other parts don’t need ironing out. But I think Reys dialogue sounds perfectly fine.

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sade1212 said:

DZ-330 said:
I think putting “you are nothing” over the silence would be a good idea as Rey would respond more quickly to saying she’s is a Jedi, which I think helps even more to remove the Endgame-ness of it. Are you able to mock that up?

Sure. Here’s a mockup with “You are nothing!” shifted a little later to alleviate the awkward silence, and here’s one with it shifted all the way to the end as DZ suggests. (Edit: maybe it’s a little quiet there, but you get the idea)

I think that second one is the best application of where we could put the “You are nothing” line. However… that wide gap before the “I am all the Sith” line is a pretty big problem. If I remember correctly, I think Hal omitted the “Let this be the final word in the story of Rebellion” line from right before Palpy starts blasting. Maybe we could reinsert it in that gap?

Worst case scenario, there’s plenty of Sam Witwer lines we can cull from Battlefront II.

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Peonthegrate said:

I honestly don’t hear anything off about the mockup of her saying “I am a jedi”. Not saying the other parts don’t need ironing out. But I think Reys dialogue sounds perfectly fine.

Yeah, I’m pretty content with the Rey line as well.

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These are all really good mockups, but I sadly agree with Sade’s issues about the original line delivery and the problems it’s causing for us. I still think the best bet is to keep searching for other instances of the words we need and Frankensteining the sentence together.

“It’s like rhymetry. They poem.” - Leorge Gucas

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RogueLeader said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

I just want to address something about the pitched edit of removing the mention of Rey having a vision of both herself and Kylo Ren on the Sith throne. She didn’t have that specific vision at the beginning of the movie, she only had it when she touched the dagger on Pasaana.

It’s not shown on screen, and therefore is irrelevant. When Rey says she had a vision, the audience instantly should think of the one from the beginning of the movie since, ya know, it was shown. In fact, there is no proof that they ever recorded footage of both Rey and Kylo on the throne. So tbh, I’m not even sure what they were smoking when they wrote that line for Rey.

By that logic, Luke’s piloting experiences pre-ANH are irrelevant because they aren’t shown to us.

But we are never shown anything that contradicts that, like Luke being reckless and crashing his skyhopper in Beggar’s Canyon. But we actually see Rey on the throne alone, with Kylo Ren nowhere in sight. We literally just see Rey on the throne by herself… we actually don’t see Kylo Ren on any throne in this movie, despite him being Supreme Leader of the galaxy.

That Rey vision of herself on the throne was during her training on Ajan Kloss. Whereas that vision with Kylo Ren was from when she touched the dagger on Pasaana; she says as much to Finn.

Just because something might be “inferred” doesn’t mean it is good storytelling, or cinema for that matter.

By your logic, same with TFA, TLJ and especially the prequels, as well as every short film in existence (even those from Pixar).

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What are you talking about? Am I crazy? I don’t remember Rey having another vision when she touches the dagger on Pasaana.

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I never said we saw the vision itself on Pasaana. I said that Rey describes to Finn that she experienced the vision when touching the dagger.

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No, that is definitely not inferred at all.

Rey: I lost control.

Finn: It wasn’t your fault.

Rey: It was.

Finn: No. It was Ren, he made you do it.

Rey: Chewie’s gone. That power came from me. Finn, there are things you don’t know.

Finn: Then tell me.

Rey: I had a vision, of the throne of the Sith. And who was on it?

Finn: Ren.

Rey: And me.

That’s it. When she touches the dagger on Pasaana, she hears screams and says, “Horrible things have happened with this.” She’s just sensing her parents being killed with the dagger, even though it totally hasn’t clicked for her yet. I don’t see how someone could infer she had a vision of the Sith throne at that moment.

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TestingOutTheTest said:

I never said we saw the vision itself on Pasaana. I said that Rey describes to Finn that she experienced the vision when touching the dagger.

TestingOutTheTest said:

I just want to address something about the pitched edit of removing the mention of Rey having a vision of both herself and Kylo Ren on the Sith throne. She didn’t have that specific vision at the beginning of the movie, she only had it when she touched the dagger on Pasaana.

Im confused with this whole Vision that happened on Pasanna but didn’t happen on Pasanna point of yours. Im really genially confused with your point. There is NO second vision shown or a mention that she had another/seperate one that was shown. It is a much better idea to remove the whole 2 on the throne scene when we have a visual vision that specifically does not show it.

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Hahaha, you better not say it is inferred, Testing! 😂

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sade1212 said:

Sure. Here’s a mockup with “You are nothing!” shifted a little later to alleviate the awkward silence, and here’s one with it shifted all the way to the end as DZ suggests. (Edit: maybe it’s a little quiet there, but you get the idea)

I really like the first one here, and I think that Rey’s line honestly sounds really good too.

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sade1212 said:

The issue is, of course, the footage and the music. Only “I am all the Sith!” and the back half of “…scavenger girl is no match for the power in me.” have shots of Palpatine’s face, unfortunately; so one of those has to be his last line - unless you choose to put “you are nothing” over the tension-building silence before Rey speaks.

My previous mockup was just done messily in stereo and with music from the OST, so it wasn’t usable in a 5.1 edit. It also noticeably omitted Palpatine’s final thrust of lightning just prior to the big pause and Rey’s lines. Thus, I have produced a second mockup.

This one is clearly much worse paced, with a big awkward silence, but that’s because I’ve kept it 100% in sync with the original version of the sequence for now in order to keep the music entirely intact. The big thing I did with this mockup (besides 5.1) is to combine the ending of the original “I am all the Sith!” Palpatine shot with the “…scavenger girl…” shot, so I could have Palpatine still do his big blast of electricity.

I’ve been messing with “I’m a Jedi” for ages and also am never satisfied with it. No matter how much I shift and fade the clipped up bits of the line, it still sounds hurried - or, at worst, like she’s saying “I’m the Jedi” or bizarrely even “I’m with Jedi”. There’s certainly no way to get her to sound defiant or triumphant saying it, unless you totally replace it, because the original line is said with a sort of subdued surprise.

I think pacing-wise the only issue is a slightly too long gap before “I am all the Sith” and then a much too short gap before “A scavenger girl…” Don’t know how easy it is to play around with, haven’t looked at the scene, but those two things would do it I think.

As for “I’m a Jedi,” honestly I think it sounds totally fine, and I can be picky. I don’t hear “the Jedi” or “with Jedi” at all, even when I specifically try to hear for it. I really don’t think it’d be possible to frankenbite her saying with other sources without it sounding really obvious. Here, the emotion isn’t 100% right but it’s still assertive enough to fit the moment.

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DZ-330 said:
I think putting “you are nothing” over the silence would be a good idea as Rey would respond more quickly to saying she’s is a Jedi, which I think helps even more to remove the Endgame-ness of it. Are you able to mock that up?

Sure. Here’s a mockup with “You are nothing!” shifted a little later to alleviate the awkward silence, and here’s one with it shifted all the way to the end as DZ suggests. (Edit: maybe it’s a little quiet there, but you get the idea)

I honestly had the thought to put “You are nothing” last earlier, but kind of dismissed it. And maybe there’s a way to make it work but I don’t know. The way it’s said is a little throwaway, and putting it on that shot of Rey just makes it seem even more throwaway.

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As for all the examples of Rey’s “a jedi” line … I’m pretty much like a person watching the scene the first time since I havn’t watched this movie in over a year (and havn’t watched it many times) and I can’t see anything that sticks out. Haha!

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Just got to say, I’m really glad a lot of you guys are ok with how the new Rey line sounds. I know personally speaking, I have a hard time seeing the “wrongness” in some edits or I just shrug it off. There’s been multiple times where I’ve seen a mockup on here and I think to myself “Oh, that’s actually pretty good/passable! It could be used in the movie.” But then, I see it get picked apart and start to understand that it actually really wasn’t up to snuff.

Anyways, this is just my long winded way of saying that I’m glad we’re seemingly moving forward with the line change now.

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BrotherOfSasquatch said:

Just got to say, I’m really glad a lot of you guys are ok with how the new Rey line sounds. I know personally speaking, I have a hard time seeing the “wrongness” in some edits or I just shrug it off. There’s been multiple times where I’ve seen a mockup on here and I think to myself “Oh, that’s actually pretty good/passable! It could be used in the movie.” But then, I see it get picked apart and start to understand that it actually really wasn’t up to snuff.

Anyways, this is just my long winded way of saying that I’m glad we’re seemingly moving forward with the line change now.

I totally get what you mean and I do agree for the “base” edit things sound be as flawless as possible. With people doing their own thing after that, then go for it. SO I admit for me, this is a case that I truly don’t see the issue because I don’t watch this movie … so for a personal edit after this I would use one of these changes since I can’t see it. ahaha!

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”