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DZ-330 said:

I think it works:

Palpatine: “You suck, I rule”

Palpatine “You’re just a scavenger” Rey: “lolz nah i’m a jedi”

They play off each other quite well. Hope you don’t mind my abridged version.

Can we quickly throw together some voice talent to re-dub this part

Edit: Nevermind, this caliber of dialogue HAS to be done with text-to-speech

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Once this edit is done we should all just make a wild edit called “The Rise of Palpatine” and make changes like that. We conclude with Poppa’s wild Falcon ride at the end and we use text to speech on only THAT moment with Rey and Palpatine 😂😂😂

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Hal 9000 said:

Wow, Sherlock, that really works pretty damn well! I read about it and the discussion before being able to actually plug in earphones and listen to it.

But you know how this stuff always goes: it needs some improvement yet. I think Rey’s “[and] I” sounded just a little abrupt. Is there another instance of her starting a sentence with “I” in a similar voice that could be blended into it?

Thanks, Hal! Like I said, I tried to paper over the gap with an added sound of her panting (maybe that made it worse, I dunno), but… hmm, I can think of one other line in the movie where her tone of voice might work. I’ll try that out later tonight.

Her “I am a Jedi” seemed just a little quick. Could it be stretched out a little bit more?

This one was tricky. I listened to a quite a few different instances of Rey saying “a,” but they were usually so quick that they’d blend into the surrounding words, and I couldn’t get any usable clips from them. (As it is, I basically removed the “th” sound from “the.”) Maybe I could restore some of the cut footage, and try to pad it out that way? There was some concern about the lip sync issue, but maybe it will be better if I tweak the line a little more?

How do you feel about the “All the Sith” line though? For some reason, I thought you weren’t crazy about it.

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Maybe because I’ve heard the original a thousand times but it feels a little weird going from you are nothing to the sith line, it might be worth it to put You are nothing at the end so Rey is directly responding to that. But that version is great too.

So: “A scavenger girl is no match for the power in me. I am all the Sith. You are nothing.”

“I’m a Jedi, bitch!”

I could see that working too.

Or: “I am all the Sith. A scavenger girl is no match for the power in me. You are nothing.” Although, I think I’d still prefer to end on the scavenger line, myself.

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I wouldn’t want to remove the “all the Sith” line without reason, although I wouldn’t say I’m crazy about any of this dialogue. lol

If you say the words out loud, “I am all the Jedi” and “I am a Jedi” you’ll notice the second has a more pronounced gap between the last two words. I know it’s probably super tricky, but I need to push you on it, y’know?

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sade1212 said:

The problem with leaving in “I am all the Sith!” is that Rey’s new “I’m a Jedi!” response has to specifically be to Sheevie’s “a SCAVENGER GIRL is no match for the power in me!” statement, right? (edit: just as the poster above said!) Perhaps swapping Palpatine’s lines would work. Here’s a crude mockup of that idea (forgive the unpolished audio and lack of ghosts).

I’ll add to the chorus that I think this one works great! The reordering of the lines flows perfectly. My only concern with changing this line before was that the “all the Jedi” line is tied to the theme of “coming together”, however with the phantom four I guess it’s fine if this is actually shown rather than told, Palpatine says he is all the Sith yet he stands alone, Rey only says she is a Jedi yet all the Jedi stand figuratively and literally behind her. I think it works and it’s worth it just to remove that Endgame “I am Ironman” moment, plus Rey feeling worthy of calling herself a Jedi is a nicer and more explicit payoff to her struggle in the film.

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I suppose worst case, if it turns out to be the make-or-break-seamlessness factor, we could always just let “I am all the Sith” be Palpatine’s final line.
Just saying. It’s a decent fallback if need be.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

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I just want to address something about the pitched edit of removing the mention of Rey having a vision of both herself and Kylo Ren on the Sith throne. She didn’t have that specific vision at the beginning of the movie, she only had it when she touched the dagger on Pasaana.

It’s not shown on screen, and therefore is irrelevant. When Rey says she had a vision, the audience instantly should think of the one from the beginning of the movie since, ya know, it was shown. In fact, there is no proof that they ever recorded footage of both Rey and Kylo on the throne. So tbh, I’m not even sure what they were smoking when they wrote that line for Rey.

By that logic, Luke’s piloting experiences pre-ANH are irrelevant because they aren’t shown to us.

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Hal 9000 said:

Wow, Sherlock, that really works pretty damn well! I read about it and the discussion before being able to actually plug in earphones and listen to it.

But you know how this stuff always goes: it needs some improvement yet. I think Rey’s “[and] I” sounded just a little abrupt. Is there another instance of her starting a sentence with “I” in a similar voice that could be blended into it?
Her “I am a Jedi” seemed just a little quick. Could it be stretched out a little bit more?

And once we get it sounding flawless, I’d appreciate getting the individual single-channel stems for the dialogue changes. I don’t think I could resist trying to fold them in and sculpt the audio myself too on the off chance I could improve it or at least make it truly ‘native’ to the rest of the timeline.

This is an exciting change, but one that I would really only use if it was totally flawless. Which it is surprisingly close to being!

Surely she says the four individual words in the sentence “I am a Jedi” frequently enough that there’d be usable versions somewhere in TFA and TLJ.

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TestingOutTheTest said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

I just want to address something about the pitched edit of removing the mention of Rey having a vision of both herself and Kylo Ren on the Sith throne. She didn’t have that specific vision at the beginning of the movie, she only had it when she touched the dagger on Pasaana.

It’s not shown on screen, and therefore is irrelevant. When Rey says she had a vision, the audience instantly should think of the one from the beginning of the movie since, ya know, it was shown. In fact, there is no proof that they ever recorded footage of both Rey and Kylo on the throne. So tbh, I’m not even sure what they were smoking when they wrote that line for Rey.

By that logic, Luke’s piloting experiences pre-ANH are irrelevant because they aren’t shown to us.

But we are never shown anything that contradicts that, like Luke being reckless and crashing his skyhopper in Beggar’s Canyon. But we actually see Rey on the throne alone, with Kylo Ren nowhere in sight. We literally just see Rey on the throne by herself… we actually don’t see Kylo Ren on any throne in this movie, despite him being Supreme Leader of the galaxy. Just because something might be “inferred” doesn’t mean it is good storytelling, or cinema for that matter.

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RogueLeader said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

I just want to address something about the pitched edit of removing the mention of Rey having a vision of both herself and Kylo Ren on the Sith throne. She didn’t have that specific vision at the beginning of the movie, she only had it when she touched the dagger on Pasaana.

It’s not shown on screen, and therefore is irrelevant. When Rey says she had a vision, the audience instantly should think of the one from the beginning of the movie since, ya know, it was shown. In fact, there is no proof that they ever recorded footage of both Rey and Kylo on the throne. So tbh, I’m not even sure what they were smoking when they wrote that line for Rey.

By that logic, Luke’s piloting experiences pre-ANH are irrelevant because they aren’t shown to us.

But we are never shown anything that contradicts that, like Luke being reckless and crashing his skyhopper in Beggar’s Canyon. But we actually see Rey on the throne alone, with Kylo Ren nowhere in sight. We literally just see Rey on the throne by herself… we actually don’t see Kylo Ren on any throne in this movie, despite him being Supreme Leader of the galaxy. Just because something might be “inferred” doesn’t mean it is good storytelling, or cinema for that matter.

Agreed. Even if it was meant to be on the lines “oh, I had ANOTHER vision” … that is just bad film making. Why show one vision, and then talk about another one? … it either comes off as a mistake (after-affect of re-writes, etc.) OR simply poor writing (show one thing on screen, but talk about something else that’s not seen AND is different)

Comparing to Luke and piloting comments, that has nothing to contradict that, is comparing apples to chairs.

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Also I really like changing Kylo’s line to “we can stop Palpatine” -

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So I made a quick mockup. Is it worth trying to iron out the new line? https://streamable.com/4tms6i

It actually makes it sound like Kylo is against him, against the Sith (which is what we want). We’re told killing Palpatine results in Sith spirit transfer, and we learn later Palpatine wants to be killed, so saying “we’ll kill him” doesn’t explicitly mean he’s working against him. Changing this line would avoid any confusion, it makes it very clear Kylo doesn’t want to play into Palpatine’s hands, he wants to stop whatever he’s planning (and take over his fleet).

It’s also a more seductive way to present it to Rey, who set out on her mission “to stop what we both know is coming…”. It makes it sound almost reasonable to join forces with the Supreme Leader to stop the return of the Sith, instead of the original’s “let’s become super evil together, you know what you need to do”.

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Burbin said:

Also I really like changing Kylo’s line to “we can stop Palpatine” -

sherlockpotter said:

So I made a quick mockup. Is it worth trying to iron out the new line? https://streamable.com/4tms6i

It actually makes it sound like Kylo is against him, against the Sith (which is what we want). We’re told killing Palpatine results in Sith spirit transfer, and we learn later Palpatine wants to be killed, so saying “we’ll kill him” doesn’t explicitly mean he’s working against him. Changing this line would avoid any confusion, it makes it very clear Kylo doesn’t want to play into Palpatine’s hands, he wants to stop whatever he’s planning (and take over his fleet).

It’s also a more seductive way to present it to Rey, who set out on her mission “to stop what we both know is coming…”. It makes it sound almost reasonable to join forces with the Supreme Leader to stop the return of the Sith, instead of the original’s “let’s become super evil together, you know what you need to do”.

Hard yes.

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Okay, these are good changes.

We really need to keep Palpatine saying he’s all the Sith, though. The best one out of these edit attempts is the one where we swap the lines and have it flow like: “I am all the Sith! You are nothing, a scavenger girl is no match for the power in me.”

The two tries without the full timing and emphasis of Palpatine’s dialogue makes the zoom in on Rey and her response awkward.

Best of both worlds; keep both of Palpatine’s lines (which I would prefer anyway, this is fighting back and killing ‘all the sith’, somewhat solidifying this time is the end) and rework it in order to fit Rey accepting she’s a Jedi.
But, like Hal said, only if the edit can be 100% perfected. This is maybe one of the most important moments in the film, and has to land perfectly.

Also, I really love “We can stop Palpatine… together.” It works so well in that clip.

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Burbin said:

Also I really like changing Kylo’s line to “we can stop Palpatine” -

sherlockpotter said:

So I made a quick mockup. Is it worth trying to iron out the new line? https://streamable.com/4tms6i

It actually makes it sound like Kylo is against him, against the Sith (which is what we want). We’re told killing Palpatine results in Sith spirit transfer, and we learn later Palpatine wants to be killed, so saying “we’ll kill him” doesn’t explicitly mean he’s working against him. Changing this line would avoid any confusion, it makes it very clear Kylo doesn’t want to play into Palpatine’s hands, he wants to stop whatever he’s planning (and take over his fleet).

It’s also a more seductive way to present it to Rey, who set out on her mission “to stop what we both know is coming…”. It makes it sound almost reasonable to join forces with the Supreme Leader to stop the return of the Sith, instead of the original’s “let’s become super evil together, you know what you need to do”.

How about everyone here praises this line until Hal accepts it? Lol.

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I’m fully on board with Ren’s “We can stop him”, Rey’s “I’m a Jedi” and shifting Palpatine’s “I’m all the Sith” to earlier.

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Dat_SW_Guy said:

Also, one more thing. Has any one found the original matte painting for Tatooine that they used in ROTJ?

Think I’ll be able to send you the 4K Battlefront II render of Tatooine’s planetary loading screen, I’ll try looking for it now.

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Knight of Kalee said:

I’m fully on board with Ren’s “We can stop him”, Rey’s “I’m a Jedi” and shifting Palpatine’s “I’m all the Sith” to earlier.

I agree too. I still think we can get better sources of Rey saying “I… am a Jedi” though.

Also, lemme just point out, everyone here has collectively taken probably the stupidest exchange in the whole movie, and turned it into something thematically resonant that makes sense. We might still be ironing out the final few nudges, but damn, this community is something for everyone involved to be proud of.

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CaptainFaraday said:
Surely she says the four individual words in the sentence “I am a Jedi” frequently enough that there’d be usable versions somewhere in TFA and TLJ.

Don’t forget there’s Battlefront II, Lego and Disney Infinity lines as well!

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Cinefy said:

Think I’ll be able to send you the 4K Battlefront II render of Tatooine’s planetary loading screen, I’ll try looking for it now.

You know, if you’re going to acquire that, it would also be pretty beneficial to get ones of Ajan Kloss and Endor as well… 😉

Also, to add onto the “I am all the Jedi” discourse, I actually have a pretty half-brained radical idea: why don’t we just cut the line completely? We already have Rey’s big moment with the Jedi Voices/Ghosts and the music is already doing a lot of the heavy emotional lifting in the scene. We could almost make it be a nice bit of (semi) non-verbal acting.

How I’m imaging it, we have Palps line, we have the push in on Rey’s face (maybe cutting it a bit earlier so we don’t see her saying the line), cut to the lightsaber coming to her hand, and then immediately to her clashing the two sabers together, pushing back the lightning.

IDK, just throwing the idea out there on the wall to see if it will stick.

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Nah, I don’t think that’d track.

If I had to, for hypothetical reasons, lock a cut this very day because there’s gonna be a theatrical exhibition or something, I’d probably go for leaving the rest of the dialogue alone save for the “I’m a Jedi” line. The music and sync would be untouched and we’d avoid anything seeming off. From the perspective of fan editing existing material to be suitable for a theater showing, it’d be the safer option. I think retaining “And I…” would alleviate the feeling that something’s off. Maybe it’s from watching the scene a million times due to jonh’s work, but keeping that as well as Rey’s grunt as she contends with the lightning helps it feel complete.

As others have said, this is a moment more important than just about any others that cannot feel off. And I’d rather stick to form by leaving something on the table if it leaves me with any doubt. I’m confident that at least “I am a Jedi” can work, and that right there is something to appreciate.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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CaptainFaraday said:

Knight of Kalee said:

I’m fully on board with Ren’s “We can stop him”, Rey’s “I’m a Jedi” and shifting Palpatine’s “I’m all the Sith” to earlier.

I agree too. I still think we can get better sources of Rey saying “I… am a Jedi” though.

Maybe I’m pessimistic, but I’m gonna go ahead and guess it’s highly unlikely there’s any source better than what’s in the scene itself. On the other hand, maybe I’m not pessimistic because I think what we have sounds fine.

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Hal 9000 said:

I wouldn’t want to remove the “all the Sith” line without reason, although I wouldn’t say I’m crazy about any of this dialogue. lol

If you say the words out loud, “I am all the Jedi” and “I am a Jedi” you’ll notice the second has a more pronounced gap between the last two words. I know it’s probably super tricky, but I need to push you on it, y’know?

Yo, Hal, don’t you go disrespecting the Oscar-winning screenwriter of Batman v Superman and Justice League. Man’s a genius.

In my mind, I’m picturing it spun out of the original line delivery - “I…am all the Jedi.” So gap between “I” and “am” - “I…am a Jedi.” Are you thinking it should be more like “I am…a Jedi”?

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Hal 9000 said:

Nah, I don’t think that’d track.

I think retaining “And I…” would alleviate the feeling that something’s off. Maybe it’s from watching the scene a million times due to jonh’s work, but keeping that as well as Rey’s grunt as she contends with the lightning helps it feel complete.

I don’t know…I don’t think the conversation would flow naturally if “and” is included. “A scavenger girl is no match for the power in me!” “AND I…am a Jedi.” Agreed that we definitely need some line here though.

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Maybe her saying “No…” (shot of her catching the lightsaber) “I am a Jedi!”

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Icecream2448 said:

Maybe her saying “No…” (shot of her catching the lightsaber) “I am a Jedi!”

I agree! As per BrotherOfSasquatch’s suggestion, there’s heaps of versions of her saying “No” to experiment with in the Battlefront II audio.

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Icecream2448 said:

Maybe her saying “No…” (shot of her catching the lightsaber) “I am a Jedi!”

It sounds good in theory, but shuffling the words around even more more risks throwing the lip sync more and more out of whack. Maybe it will look okay? I’ll work on it.

There’s also the problem of getting a clear sound bite with the proper tone and inflection - which is the main problem I’m having with finding a good alternate source for “a [Jedi].” There’s gotta be something out there though, right?

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