Yeah, I’d say let’s use stars and suns in space within SW as reference. I think we see the suns as the Queen’s ship approaches it in TPM.
I couldn’t find it so I did it myself real quick (maybe I did this on my own originally…)
“And” being cut might be noticeable to some who are aware of the change, but I honestly believe your hypothetical first time viewer, or people who just haven’t seen the movie since release, wouldn’t even notice this change. I moved “Me” up a few frames earlier, and I think the slight shift helps sell it as well.
I like how Finn assumes it’s Ren with such conviction, only to be left not knowing what to say after Rey says it was her. I think this is the simplest way to handle it.
Cross-posting from the general thread, Hal would you consider this for a change in V2?
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This is the way.
To add to that, that change is receiving universal praise because of how subtle and yet effective it is. If that changes your mind in any way, Hal.
For the topic about the suns, etc, I agree with Hal’s assessment: Match it to what Star Wars has shown. If it matches the style, then it’s fine.
As for the line RogueLeader showed, it’s flawless and just makes sense. I admit I have not watched Hal’s V1 nor the original movie in such a long time … I noticed nothing. So in the eyes of a first time viewer … there’s nothing that sticks out. I am a fan of it and just makes sense to do.
“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”
For the topic about the suns, etc, I agree with Hal’s assessment: Match it to what Star Wars has shown. If it matches the style, then it’s fine.
As for the line RogueLeader showed, it’s flawless and just makes sense. I admit I have not watched Hal’s V1 nor the original movie in such a long time … I noticed nothing. So in the eyes of a first time viewer … there’s nothing that sticks out.
I agree. There’s too much focus on the minutia on this one word in this one line in this one moment, that it has very little affect on the grander picture of the movie. While I do believe there are times that they are important, after reading many pages of this thread, it’s a little excessive IMHO.
The vfx work looks incredibly stunning. Can’t wait to see how the video version turns out
I couldn’t find it so I did it myself real quick (maybe I did this on my own originally…)
“And” being cut might be noticeable to some who are aware of the change, but I honestly believe your hypothetical first time viewer, or people who just haven’t seen the movie since release, wouldn’t even notice this change. I moved “Me” up a few frames earlier, and I think the slight shift helps sell it as well.
I like how Finn assumes it’s Ren with such conviction, only to be left not knowing what to say after Rey says it was her. I think this is the simplest way to handle it.
Cross-posting from the general thread, Hal would you consider this for a change in V2?
Hmmm… interesting, indeed. I guess the intention of the scene originally is to let Rey fear joining Kylo on the throne, which ties into his offer later and explains her violent response in trying to kill him on the DSII. Making this scene all about her rather than her and Ren would help the climax a little. Unless their teaming up is viewable as a fulfillment of this fear in an inverted way.
Idk, I guess it’s all right with me, but has anyone dissented?
I couldn’t find it so I did it myself real quick (maybe I did this on my own originally…)
“And” being cut might be noticeable to some who are aware of the change, but I honestly believe your hypothetical first time viewer, or people who just haven’t seen the movie since release, wouldn’t even notice this change. I moved “Me” up a few frames earlier, and I think the slight shift helps sell it as well.
I like how Finn assumes it’s Ren with such conviction, only to be left not knowing what to say after Rey says it was her. I think this is the simplest way to handle it.
Cross-posting from the general thread, Hal would you consider this for a change in V2?
Idk, I guess it’s all right with me, but has anyone dissented?
Not that I’ve seen. Everyone has been ecstatic about it. It makes the vision worse for her because not even Kylo is seen on the throne (who we know is pretty messed up).
Also…
Remember that the final conflict in the film is Rey alone being tempted to take the throne, while Ben has already had his redemption. So her vision of “Kylo and me on the Throne” would’ve already been negated the moment Kylo turns to the light. It makes so much more sense for Rey’s vision to only be about herself on the throne, then by the end it would actually seem like the vision might become reality.
I couldn’t find it so I did it myself real quick (maybe I did this on my own originally…)
“And” being cut might be noticeable to some who are aware of the change, but I honestly believe your hypothetical first time viewer, or people who just haven’t seen the movie since release, wouldn’t even notice this change. I moved “Me” up a few frames earlier, and I think the slight shift helps sell it as well.
I like how Finn assumes it’s Ren with such conviction, only to be left not knowing what to say after Rey says it was her. I think this is the simplest way to handle it.
Cross-posting from the general thread, Hal would you consider this for a change in V2?
Hmmm… interesting, indeed. I guess the intention of the scene originally is to let Rey fear joining Kylo on the throne, which ties into his offer later and explains her violent response in trying to kill him on the DSII. Making this scene all about her rather than her and Ren would help the climax a little. Unless their teaming up is viewable as a fulfillment of this fear in an inverted way.
Idk, I guess it’s all right with me, but has anyone dissented?
I don’t disagree with those points. However, I have not seen any negative. For me, it adds more weight to the end because, the vision would now seems more “real” since it’s about HER taking the throne, not her and Kylo … since it’s just her alone with Palps. The theme of her “being alone” is still present in her mind.
Plus, for Ben/Kylo aspect of it … he has not interest in the Past … which the “Sith” would be part of so why does he care about the throne anyway? (Also, the last two movies really made it clear he wasn’t sith … so why all the sudden does it matter?) He’s doing his own thing … so it makes the vision make more sense thematically too.
A different point, I am curious about a merger between Jar Jar’s and RogueLeader’s hanger scene that adjusts Kylo’s dialogue a little to that would further help to bridge this point in that he does not talk about both of them on the throne … but just stopping palpatine/putting him in a nursing home/whatever. If Kylo knows the “plan” on Palps anyway, why would he want Rey to kill Palpatine … if he transfer to her … which is not what he wants … so why? Why not just simply be “stop palpatine” or whatever. Simple and would be EXACTLY what Kylo wants. Have her join him and stop Palpatine.
EDIT: Also, thinking more about the idea of the hanger scene … if achievable to remove the whole “take the throne together,” remember, Kylo at this point has two goals: Have Rey join him to rule the galaxy and remove his enemies, aka the resistance and palpatine. So for the first part, he needs to seduce Rey in a sense. Now … Rey has been training as a Jedi, aka the good guy, why try to seduce her in the lines of “Oh hey, your bad, so lets just go full on bad, take the throne together and become Sith.” That is a blunt way of doing it. But by changing his dialogue more on the lines of “Yeah you are bad, but Palpatine is worse, so let’s stop him together because of our dyadness.” So by leaving out the throne topic of the two of them to literally become QUEEN OF THE SITH BADDIES, it is more on the lines of “Hey, we can stop the REAL bad guy together.”
“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”
Mmm, yeah, while not required, snipping the portion of the line in the hangar about “taking the throne” together could be good.
Mmm, yeah, while not required, snipping the portion of the line in the hangar about “taking the throne” together could be good.
At that rate, you might as well scrub that whole line since Kylo already heard the whole “Kill me, and my spirit will pass into you” stuff. Not that he doesn’t want to kill Palpatine, but maybe he is aware of some way to defeat him without getting possessed (ie magical dyad powa).
The line replacement I liked went something like “Together, nothing will stand in our way.”
I thought we’d surmised Kylo felt that together they’d be able to kill him. After all, when they do team up they do seem poised to try it anyway.
After all, when they do team up they do seem poised to try it anyway.
The difference is that they were going to do it as Jedi. To quote Palpatine, “Your hatred, your anger, you want to kill me. That is what I want.” That seems to be the requirement for transfer, one which they might fall under as Kylo and Rey standing side-by-side rather than Ben and Rey.
Regardless, removing Kylo’s fixation with becoming a Sith is more than enough for me.
I agree it’s also better to remove Kylo’s interest in the throne, and it makes for a much more tempting offer to Rey if it’s more like “join me and together we will destroy the Sith!”. Like Jar Jar says it’s more in line with TLJ Kylo, we already see in the board room scene that his main interest is gaining more power to build up his empire, so it works to steer his motivation in that angle, still wanting to end the old things (the Sith, the Jedi). He just wants to take Palpatine’s resources and he still wants Rey by his side. When he offers his hand to Rey in the hangar it would actually be a lot more similar to his ploy in TLJ.
This way these lines in Pasaana: “Serving another Master?” “No, I have other plans.” would actually be meaningful, he even refers to offering his hand to Rey afterwards.
I’ll plan to remove that snippet of Kylo’s line. I don’t want to remove the entire line, though, because otherwise I’m not sure what game Kylo’d be playing otherwise.
Sounds good. I’ll just have to head canon an explanation for how they can kill him together 😃
I’m assuming that you are also removing the “and” from Rey’s “and me” as well?
Right, yeah.
Alright, this may be stupid, but something is still nagging me about “We’ll kill him together.” It’s a tiny nag, admittedly - I think it’s because “We WILL kill him” comes across less like Kylo is imploring her to help him end the Sith, and more like, “Oh boy, here we go killing again!” It’s like Kylo cares more about killing this guy than he does about stopping the Sith. Maybe it’s just the way Adam Driver delivers the line? (Emphasis on “Kill” instead of “We’ll”?) I know, I know, it’s a subtle connotative difference; but it’s gnawing at me.
Plus, “We WILL do this” doesn’t really leave open any other choices for Rey, which - to me - deflates the tension of the moment considerably. “Of course Kylo’s wrong. She’s not going to start murdering people with him!” Rather than, “Oh gosh, Kylo has a point. What’s Rey going to do?”
So I made a quick mockup. Is it worth trying to iron out the new line? https://streamable.com/4tms6i
(Between this, “Become a Dyad,” and the eventual Rey Nobody replacement, we’re just going to change all of Kylo’s dialogue in this scene, aren’t we? Lol.)
EDIT: I also did a bit more work on this thingy: https://streamable.com/ffimpr
Blended out Palp’s Theme (I hope) a little bit better, cleaned up the word “a”, added a clip of Rey panting to cover up the omission of “and,” and also trimmed down the dramatic pause before she finishes her line (to help fudge the lip sync). Any better? The video cut on Rey’s line could be a little tighter and overlap the line on her catching the second saber more; I’m just worried about carving too deeply into the closeup shot.
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Alright, this may be stupid, but something is still nagging me about “We’ll kill him together.” It’s a tiny nag, admittedly - I think it’s because “We WILL kill him” comes across less like Kylo is imploring her to help him end the Sith, and more like, “Oh boy, here we go killing again!” It’s like Kylo cares more about killing this guy than he does about stopping the Sith. Maybe it’s just the way Adam Driver delivers the line? (Emphasis on “Kill” instead of “We’ll”?) I know, I know, it’s a subtle connotative difference; but it’s gnawing at me.
Plus, “We WILL do this” doesn’t really leave open any other choices for Rey, which - to me - deflates the tension of the moment considerably. “Of course Kylo’s wrong. She’s not going to start murdering people with him!” Rather than, “Oh gosh, Kylo has a point. What’s Rey going to do?”
So I made a quick mockup. Is it worth trying to iron out the new line? https://streamable.com/4tms6i
(Between this, “Become a Dyad,” and the eventual Rey Nobody replacement, we’re just going to change all of Kylo’s dialogue in this scene, aren’t we? Lol.)
EDIT: I also did a bit more work on this thingy: https://streamable.com/ffimpr
Blended out Palp’s Theme (I hope) a little bit better, cleaned up the word “a”, added a clip of Rey panting to cover up the omission of “and,” and also trimmed down the dramatic pause before she finishes her line (to help fudge the lip sync). Any better?
I personally have no real issue with Kylo’s original line, but the editing on your new version is extremely good. If I’d never seen that scene before I’d never guess it had been altered.
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EDIT: I also did a bit more work on this thingy: https://streamable.com/ffimpr
I think Rey saying she’s just a Jedi is perfect and makes her character way less overally god-like, we see the visual representation of the Jedi spirits supporting her rather than entirely living inside her like she’s some host, it’s almost a great way of saying she’s completed her training. But Palpatine should still really say that “he’s all the Sith” it’s not just a random one liner like what Rey said. Definitely restoring ‘I am all the sith back to my personnel copy if it’s removed.
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So I made a quick mockup. Is it worth trying to iron out the new line? https://streamable.com/4tms6i
Man, I love this. Maybe he doesn’t even know how they’ll stop Palpatine yet (essence transfer crap), but he wants to try it with her.
Alright, this may be stupid, but something is still nagging me about “We’ll kill him together.” It’s a tiny nag, admittedly - I think it’s because “We WILL kill him” comes across less like Kylo is imploring her to help him end the Sith, and more like, “Oh boy, here we go killing again!” It’s like Kylo cares more about killing this guy than he does about stopping the Sith. Maybe it’s just the way Adam Driver delivers the line? (Emphasis on “Kill” instead of “We’ll”?) I know, I know, it’s a subtle connotative difference; but it’s gnawing at me.
Plus, “We WILL do this” doesn’t really leave open any other choices for Rey, which - to me - deflates the tension of the moment considerably. “Of course Kylo’s wrong. She’s not going to start murdering people with him!” Rather than, “Oh gosh, Kylo has a point. What’s Rey going to do?”
So I made a quick mockup. Is it worth trying to iron out the new line? https://streamable.com/4tms6i
(Between this, “Become a Dyad,” and the eventual Rey Nobody replacement, we’re just going to change all of Kylo’s dialogue in this scene, aren’t we? Lol.)
EDIT: I also did a bit more work on this thingy: https://streamable.com/ffimpr
Blended out Palp’s Theme (I hope) a little bit better, cleaned up the word “a”, added a clip of Rey panting to cover up the omission of “and,” and also trimmed down the dramatic pause before she finishes her line (to help fudge the lip sync). Any better? The video cut on Rey’s line could be a little tighter and overlap the line on her catching the second saber more; I’m just worried about carving too deeply into the closeup shot.
I love both thing you made here, but I also would personally think leaving in I am all the Sith would be good.
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I just want to address something about the pitched edit of removing the mention of Rey having a vision of both herself and Kylo Ren on the Sith throne. She didn’t have that specific vision at the beginning of the movie, she only had it when she touched the dagger on Pasaana.
Heres another test render, but this time of Tatooine. The atmosphere and planet textures are something left to be desired with and I’ll definitely fix it. Unfortunately the final shot won’t contain the ANH matte because I cannot for the life of me figure out how to meticulously recreate the matte painting in 3D space down to the cloud swirl pattern and ground colors.
EDIT: I also did a bit more work on this thingy: https://streamable.com/ffimpr
Blended out Palp’s Theme (I hope) a little bit better, cleaned up the word “a”, added a clip of Rey panting to cover up the omission of “and,” and also trimmed down the dramatic pause before she finishes her line (to help fudge the lip sync). Any better? The video cut on Rey’s line could be a little tighter and overlap the line on her catching the second saber more; I’m just worried about carving too deeply into the closeup shot.
I think “I am all the Sith” being removed works. Without it, it’s like Palps is saying “You can’t defeat me. You’re nothing. Just a scavenger.” Rey’s new line is a retort, “No, I’m not just a scavenger anymore. I’m a Jedi.”
With “I am all the Sith” Rey’s line just sounds like a one-liner, like “Yeah? Well, I’m a Jedi! Hah gottem!”
The problem with leaving in “I am all the Sith!” is that Rey’s new “I’m a Jedi!” response has to specifically be to Sheevie’s “a SCAVENGER GIRL is no match for the power in me!” statement, right? (edit: just as the poster above said!) Perhaps swapping Palpatine’s lines would work. Here’s a crude mockup of that idea (forgive the unpolished audio and lack of ghosts).
Edit: Does Rey ever refer to herself as a Jedi before this? I know Luke does, but I think that’s alright. It’s just that for this to land well, I think it has to be a ‘breakthrough’ in her confidence in herself, overcoming that self-doubt (which would be undermined if she’d previously considered herself a Jedi).