The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 481

Sherlock you’re a madman! Loving your idea flow and execution. Keep em coming but don’t burn yourself out. Brilliant.

Heres a test VFX shot of Rey shooting out Force Lightning instead of the Force Push to signify her instability, the compression makes it look slightly weird but it’s okay: https://streamable.com/cqtffo

^ Sherlock, that’s nice! I’ll use it. 😃

And Dat_SW_boi, that’s pretty darn cool! I think it’s better kept subtle like that, and not blasting Finn, like it’s a Force push that happened to have a lightning rosebud eek out.

Dat_SW_Guy said:

Heres a test VFX shot of Rey shooting out Force Lightning instead of the Force Push to signify her instability, the compression makes it look slightly weird but it’s okay: https://streamable.com/cqtffo

It looks great! Absolutely believable that it’s from the theatrical cut.

While I agree with Hal that less is more with the lightning, I wonder if a tiny tendril could reach Finn? More like it’s conducted to him than it’s what’s throwing him backwards. Currently the lightning completely vanishes on the cut, and since it’s cutting on action, I think there needs to be even a minuscule amount of lightning in the second shot for continuity of movement.

Agreed with Faraday that I feel like there needs to be some element of Finn ‘receiving’ the lightning after it’s ‘sent’ by Rey. Looks fantastic in the ‘send’ though!

Wow some good things this morning to respond to

@hal, sounds like it was more of a pain than imagined to remove the original sound with the dagger. Congrats for doing that and it will really help with the focus on the dagger’s purpose. Very nice.

@Sherlock, yes please. I like that SO MUCH BETTER than the original line. It is more fitting and believable.

@Dat_SW_Guy, It’s quick with Rey, which is good since it is so quick it would be hard to sit and compare 1:1 with other scenes with lighting.

I think it may be tough to create something convincing of Finn receiving some lightning since it is a wider shot and would be easier to “catch” the effect and may not look right. My suggestion maybe is to remove the first shot of Finn from the front “receiving” the force push and cut it to where you are seeing him fly back.

With that being said, if someone could add maybe some smoke … vapor … or whatever that comes off of him will sell that it was a force lighting/push thing.

I only suggest that IF it is hard to really replicate a good force lightning effect with such a wider shot. However, what do I know, so much talented work has been done on this I tip my hat to ya’ll.

Thanks, all! Axlanian really sells the line perfectly, I think.

And Dat_SW_Guy, the lightning looks amazing! Personally, I agree with Cap and Eddie though - would it be possible to add a bit of lightning hitting Finn before he’s thrown backwards as well? Also, where did you get the sound effect? It sounds a little different than the other lightning sounds in the film.

EDIT: @jarbear - cropping the Finn shot might work if it comes to that, but it also might not be necessary. As it is, I think it’s only between 8 and 10 frames before Finn starts to be yanked back - so less than half a second. Picturing it in my mind, that should be quick enough that the audience wouldn’t be able to dwell on it too much. I don’t think we need residual tendrils to be licking his body as he flies through the air or anything like that. But hey, whatever Dat_SW_Guy feels comfortable with, I guess!

And I was actually just thinking about a potential smoke effect. The thing is, immediately after being tossed, Finn crashes through a wave. Theoretically, would that put out any smouldering on his clothes? (Genuinely asking - I can’t speak from first hand experience of being struck by lightning.)

Dat_SW_Guy said:

Heres a test VFX shot of Rey shooting out Force Lightning instead of the Force Push to signify her instability, the compression makes it look slightly weird but it’s okay: https://streamable.com/cqtffo

That would work if something reached Finn, but it feels odd that it doesn’t given that it looks so strong.

I think for the effect to work seamlessly it would need to be more subtle, like tiny tendrils running along her fingers like in the Palpatine scene accompanied by a little sound effect. If the effect gets large enough that Rey would have noticed it visually, it’s gone to far imo.

Hey, been away a long time…

Hal, digging all the changes so far. Looking forward to seeing this edit.

Oooh, yes. Subtle enough that in the moment Rey herself plausibly may not have even noticed.

Hello, thank you all for your suggestions. Firstly, The shot of Finn recieving the blast wasnt created there. However, I just whipped up a quick “proof-of-concept” of Finn a actually getting hit with the lightning, albeit it looks alot more deadly, overkill and less “subtle”.
The sound effect was from YouTube and I just did a right-left pan to sonically flow with the visuals a bit more. I completely cut out the wide shot of him flying back and left the last shot unfinished (since I’m too lazy to edit it now, but I’ll finish this shot sometime tommorrow) but also since I’m not so sure as to how to structure the shot.

I don’t really know how to make it subtler, so any help is appreciated! https://streamable.com/gyj6k2

SIDENOTE: I edited the shot with 16-bit colorspace, but the one being uploaded to streamable seems to have completely clipped the highlights and shadows so I don’t know what’s up with that.

Dat_SW_Guy said:

Hello, thank you all for your suggestions. Firstly, The shot of Finn recieving the blast wasnt created there. However, I just whipped up a quick “proof-of-concept” of Finn a actually getting hit with the lightning, albeit it looks alot more deadly, overkill and less “subtle”.
The sound effect was from YouTube and I just did a right-left pan to sonically flow with the visuals a bit more. I completely cut out the wide shot of him flying back and left the last shot unfinished (since I’m too lazy to edit it now, but I’ll finish this shot sometime tommorrow) but also since I’m not so sure as to how to structure the shot.

I don’t really know how to make it subtler, so any help is appreciated! https://streamable.com/gyj6k2

SIDENOTE: I edited the shot with 16-bit colorspace, but the one being uploaded to streamable seems to have completely clipped the highlights and shadows so I don’t know what’s up with that.

My suggestion would be to only have one very thin tendril actually reach him, and only after it’s already become disconnected from Rey’s hand, and have it peter out after a few frames. Meanwhile, the whole rest of the lightning just crackles and dissipates into the air in front of Rey and doesn’t come close to him.

Yeah, I think Streamable just uses some pretty hefty compression. It’s great for showing off tests and mockups, but less so for sharing something in high quality. (I’ve been uploading my finished clips to Google Drive instead.)

Ooh, hmm, I don’t know! My gut was telling me that the lightning should be fairly big and bold and dramatic at this point - and I adore how it looks right now - but I’d definitely be interested in seeing a slightly more subtle approach that Rey would barely notice.

Seriously loving it though, Dat_SW_Guy. Thanks so much for helping out with this shot!

(Depending on what sort of sound effect people want, I can certainly add mine to the finished VFX shot. I can also try a version with Snoke’s sound effect, just so we have a fair comparison and can all decide what works best!)

Having comparisons would be really helpful since seeing things visually and comparing it with each other, but also the scene surrounding it helps a lot. I tend to go towards the more subtle approach on things, but sometimes not depending on seeing it in action.

Rock on y’all!

Yeah, I watched the theatrical cut of this duel and noticed that Rey didnt care that she literally Force-pushed the shit out of Finn there, how much more if she straight up electrocuted him in this cut? LOL

I can see how Rey barely reacts to it, I’ll probably make the scene similar to the removed lightning sparks on Palpatine’s hand in the beginning of the movie, it’s visible to the audience but not to Rey.

sherlockpotter said:

Yeah, I think Streamable just uses some pretty hefty compression. It’s great for showing off tests and mockups, but less so for sharing something in high quality. (I’ve been uploading my finished clips to Google Drive instead.)

Ooh, hmm, I don’t know! My gut was telling me that the lightning should be fairly big and bold and dramatic at this point - and I adore how it looks right now - but I’d definitely be interested in seeing a slightly more subtle approach that Rey would barely notice.

Seriously loving it though, Dat_SW_Guy. Thanks so much for helping out with this shot!

(Depending on what sort of sound effect people want, I can certainly add mine to the finished VFX shot. I can also try a version with Snoke’s sound effect, just so we have a fair comparison and can all decide what works best!)

Yea, are you able to re-do the effects to add a more subtler sound? I’m afraid I’m not that good with audio design haha

Dat_SW_Guy said:

sherlockpotter said:

Yeah, I think Streamable just uses some pretty hefty compression. It’s great for showing off tests and mockups, but less so for sharing something in high quality. (I’ve been uploading my finished clips to Google Drive instead.)

Ooh, hmm, I don’t know! My gut was telling me that the lightning should be fairly big and bold and dramatic at this point - and I adore how it looks right now - but I’d definitely be interested in seeing a slightly more subtle approach that Rey would barely notice.

Seriously loving it though, Dat_SW_Guy. Thanks so much for helping out with this shot!

(Depending on what sort of sound effect people want, I can certainly add mine to the finished VFX shot. I can also try a version with Snoke’s sound effect, just so we have a fair comparison and can all decide what works best!)

Yea, are you able to re-do the effects to add a more subtler sound? I’m afraid I’m not that good with audio design haha

I certainly don’t claim to be an expert audio mixer myself, but I can definitely help with it!

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