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Interesting. One of my oldest Internet usernames going back to childhood was “plutoneam,” a misspeling of plutonium.
I was… y’know, a kid.


“I am a regular, dumb kid.”

My stance on revising fan edits.

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My username goes back to when I made an account to play Midtown Madness online in the early-2000s. I liked spaghetti so I decided to do a play on pasketti.

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Eh, I kind of like the whole “Sith language isn’t in my databanks” sort of thing with 3P0. It reminds me a lot of LOTR and the Black Speech of Mordor: a language that is so evil that you can’t even put it in the databanks of a protocol droid that’s solely used for translation.

Also, the Poe bones thing is… fine. Inconsequential.

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Well, technically speaking, it is in his memory banks according to the movie. He just is prohibited from sharing any information obtained from the translations due to a restriction coded into him.

Which sorta makes sense based upon what Hal did for episode 1. Since Anakin didn’t build him now, but repair him, it’s possible he came preinstalled with Sith language. Who knows what he was used for before Anakin got him. The droid could be thousands of years old, who knows?

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sherlockpotter said:

Getting away from huge, controversial lore changes for a hot minute (God, at least I hope I am. I don’t even know anymore)…

Hal 9000 said:

I like the idea of moving Rey’s death forward, however, aside from the seemingly large task of musical score, I’d hate to break it apart from Finn’s reaction. With what you suggest I imagine chuckling that Finn is sensing he’s once again been put in the friend zone in favor of Kylo Ren. Like he’s saying “Oh no, not this guy again. Get away from her why don’tcha.”

Yeah, so…I kinda took a stab at this.

I’m definitely open to feedback on the audio transitions - that first one especially is pretty tricky. Hal, do you think the cutaways to Finn work in this new context?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jrxdxU_SxgbNxK-uUdLh1qyyg5tKn3-_/view?usp=sharing

Changes:

  • Pushing Rey’s death forward to immediately after Palpatine dies, both so that it doesn’t feel like she just drops dead randomly, and also to extend the tension before her resurrection for longer than 30 seconds because I still think tension is important, darn it
  • Cutting directly to Rey’s corpse after Finn and Jannah blow up Pryde’s ship
  • Reinserted Finn sensing Rey, but moved backwards to when Ben finds her body. My hope is that their reactions compliment one another.
  • Removed the kiss. I know Hal said in his commentary track that he’s not particularly interested in this change; but I figured I might as well practice cutting it for my own benefit, since I was rearranging the music in this scene anyway.

Also, I want to know…what music editor saw these shots and was like, “You know what one word describes all of this? Peaceful.” What a fecking wackadoo.

Really really like this. I do think trimming away the lando being all giddy with chewie scene before they save Finn and his daughter would improve it even further though.

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BrotherOfSasquatch said:

Eh, I kind of like the whole “Sith language isn’t in my databanks” sort of thing with 3P0. It reminds me a lot of LOTR and the Black Speech of Mordor: a language that is so evil that you can’t even put it in the databanks of a protocol droid that’s solely used for translation.

Also, the Poe bones thing is… fine. Inconsequential.

Oh yeah, I don’t really care about the Poe thing either way. Definitely not anything worth obsessing over. With the “Sith language isn’t in my databanks” though, doesn’t that make more sense if it’s…you know, not in his databanks? Like, the Black Speech was so evil that they didn’t want 3PO to translate it at all, and it’s only thanks to Babu’s black market enhancements that he’s able to?

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Hey guys I just remembered that when I watched the film for the first time I kept wondering what happened to Vader’s mask in Kijimi, did it explote with the planet? or did Kylo pick it up?

Damn! it is one of the most iconic symbols in the saga and they left it there! Could we consider adding a line saying “hey dude, pick it up” or something? haha

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It’s probably explained in the novelization what happens to it, although I haven’t reached that part to actually read what that is.

I could take a look at some of the Kylo voice lines again, but I doubt I could find something like, “pick it up”. Besides, I’m not sure there is enough room there for anything besides, “She was in my quarters. Lock down the ship!”

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I really don’t care to modify the Sith language thing. And Episode I wouldn’t factor into it for me; it’s not like Anakin programmed C-3PO, he just fixed him up or assembled things. When a kid builds a PC he doesn’t program the firmware or OS, he just cobbles together the parts.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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Test run of changing 3PO’s dialogue:

https://streamable.com/snti9d

Personally, I think the dialogue still makes perfect sense this way. And like I said, the whole situation with 3PO and wasting time going to Kijimi feels much less contrived now.

EDIT: Didn’t see that Hal already vetoed this before I made the mockup. Oh well. I’ll add it to my personal changelist.

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I will say that it seems the way 3PO words things means nothing of minute importance gets lost by removing those lines. My concern was that it could lead to the audience wondering why he is able to translate the inscription by memory. However, he clearly implies that he could translate it were it not for the imposed limit. And later he says that the inscription “lives… in my memory”.

That said, I don’t really think it’s a necessary change, though it does trim the overt silliness of the moment. I dunno, might be worthwhile to just make the harmless trim.

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I don’t mind the change either, tbh. But it’s definitely not going to make or break this edit.

It’s only the “I know exactly where the wayfinder is” line, right? If that’s the case, I’d say it’s a warranted removal. It’s better to make it purely about the translation rather than focus on the fact that he could technically find a loophole to tell them the location.

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I think someone already mentioned it, but I love how Rey says regarding the dagger, “Horrible things have happened with this.” While in her other hand she holds a lightsaber that literally slaughtered everyone in the Jedi Temple and killed a room full of children.

I like the dialogue change btw.

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RogueLeader said:

I think someone already mentioned it, but I love how Rey says regarding the dagger, “Horrible things have happened with this.” While in her other hand she holds a lightsaber that literally slaughtered everyone in the Jedi Temple and killed a room full of children.

I like the dialogue change btw.

Removal of that line asides from that point is also wise too since it’s kinda weird how “selective” her seeing things was with the dagger. She could sense the terrible things the dagger did at that moment, but not how it killed her parents at that moment?

Not saying that is a major/minor plot hole, and I’m sure some book/tweet explains it, but why not remove the possible confusion.

“Because you are a PalpaWalker?”

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Maybe Rey is so selfish that she only considers the murder of her own parents a ‘horrible thing’ I mean, so hundreds of Jedi died, no big deal, right?

On that note, I know this has been talked to death, but is there any way we could get rid of that moment when Rey’s mum and Palpatine clone reject say goodbye to child Rey look-alike?

Have the only time you see these two be when they die. They shouldn’t give a damn about what happens to Rey. Plus, I don’t like that stupid face the non-Ian McDiarmid dad pulls.

Edit: Joking, but I would like to see this be done.


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I think she is only sensing that because it is directly related to her parent’s death. It’s also a Sith artifact, infused with the dark side. Anakin’s lightsaber is just that - a lightsaber. Even if it has been used to do evil deeds in the past, it wasn’t created with that express purpose.

We’ve already gone over the parent stuff. Bad idea to remove that. We need them to care about her so that she is angry at grandpa Palps.

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Hal 9000 said:

I will say that it seems the way 3PO words things means nothing of minute importance gets lost by removing those lines. My concern was that it could lead to the audience wondering why he is able to translate the inscription by memory. However, he clearly implies that he could translate it were it not for the imposed limit. And later he says that the inscription “lives… in my memory”.

That said, I don’t really think it’s a necessary change, though it does trim the overt silliness of the moment. I dunno, might be worthwhile to just make the harmless trim.

As discussed earlier, at this point we’re all scrutinising every line far beyond the film’s writers ever did. It’s important not to miss the forest for the trees. Star Wars is quite silly, and even in the OT, many important moments had humour or weirdness. Everyone’s levels for this are going to be different, but for me personally, this is the right kind of silliness in the right place. It’s not a staggering emotional beat that the whole narrative rests on, so at least for me, it can afford to have some levity. This is always going to be subjective of course, but I personally think changing it just to change it might be harmless, but it also removes a tiny bit of the movie’s charm.

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Fine, I agree Faraday. Wasn’t a big deal to me in the first place.

I said this before, but I really dislike the idea of removing anything else from the movie at this point. Much more interested in additions/changes.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Fine, I agree Faraday. Wasn’t a big deal to me in the first place.

I said this before, but I really dislike the idea of removing anything else from the movie at this point. Much more interested in additions/changes.

I strongly agree with you on this. I think what’s currently in place is good, and it’s now a case of finding ways to strengthen and support it.

Other than those ridiculous little pointy bits on Rey’s new lightsaber which only annoy me, those have got to go

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Fine, I agree Faraday. Wasn’t a big deal to me in the first place.

I said this before, but I really dislike the idea of removing anything else from the movie at this point. Much more interested in additions/changes.

+1

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AntonioGK said:

Hey guys I just remembered that when I watched the film for the first time I kept wondering what happened to Vader’s mask in Kijimi, did it explote with the planet? or did Kylo pick it up?

Damn! it is one of the most iconic symbols in the saga and they left it there! Could we consider adding a line saying “hey dude, pick it up” or something? haha

Alright, I found a line that could work here:

https://youtu.be/7ZPMW9xCZdk

The original is: “She was in my quarters. Lock down the ship!” With this new line, he is essentially telling the stormtroopers to protect the helmet until he returns to retrieve it.

Personally, this isn’t too big of a deal for me but I thought I’d share this anyways.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

I said this before, but I really dislike the idea of removing anything else from the movie at this point. Much more interested in additions/changes.

Didn’t Hal say that V2 is going to be the last version with major changes? If so, I think it’s fair to bandy about other ways to make the story flow better, even if that’s at the cost of removing a few more words here and there. (I don’t get why “changes” are good, but “removals” - a type of change - are bad…? Isn’t that all subjective?)

That said, I do agree that we’re missing the forest for the trees, as was said above. We really can’t keep battling for days on end about every tiny minutia. It’s exhausting.

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