Question:
It seems in Hals cut for Return of the Jedi, Sebastian Shaw was put back in, if I’m reading the notes correctly.
But then in this film, in the final battle with all the force ghosts (which I love) there is young Hayden Christensen in there.
Any thoughts on making the two the same for consistency?
I mean, yeah, I still don’t understand why Luke abandoned him on Pasaana. But I don’t see how this line explains that? All this line tells us is that Leia and Lando are in communication, which just adds more layers of convolution, imo.
Like I said though, if we could flesh out the scene to give Lando some actual development, that would be swell; but that’s a separate issue from this one line.
There’s nothing in the film to suggest he’s been there the whole time. The transmission implies he headed over there when he heard they needed help.
Question:
It seems in Hals cut for Return of the Jedi, Sebastian Shaw was put back in, if I’m reading the notes correctly.But then in this film, in the final battle with all the force ghosts (which I love) there is young Hayden Christensen in there.
Any thoughts on making the two the same for consistency?
Hal already decided on not doing this because he is the type of person that sees each trilogy as its own sort of story. So he feels Hayden doesn’t belong in the OT.
You and I are the type of people that see it all as one story, so I would recommend looking for a different special edition or simply adding it back in yourself.
Ah gotcha.
No biggie, Ill just do a little swap-a-roo on my part.
Thanks!
I mean, yeah, I still don’t understand why Luke abandoned him on Pasaana. But I don’t see how this line explains that? All this line tells us is that Leia and Lando are in communication, which just adds more layers of convolution, imo.
Like I said though, if we could flesh out the scene to give Lando some actual development, that would be swell; but that’s a separate issue from this one line.
There’s nothing in the film to suggest he’s been there the whole time. The transmission implies he headed over there when he heard they needed help.
Huh, that would make sense, but that wasn’t my takeaway at all. My impression was that Leia contacted Lando because he was there, not the other way around. Otherwise, where’s he been during this whole stupid war? Where was he in TLJ when the entire Resistance was established to be on the one cruiser? How does he already have a little hideout all set up, complete with getaway driver?
Plus, if he came to Pasaana just to help them, why does he immediately abandon them to find Ochi’s ship and escape the incoming stormtroopers on their own? He came to tell them, “There’s a ship nearby!” and wander off somewhere? They couldn’t do that via hologram message? (Wait, could we make Lando a hologram? No joke, that would clear this all up.)
I guess a different angle to take it would be to change his line to say something like, “Leia asked me to meet you here.” But…I don’t know. The context of the situation, with him saying immediately afterwards, “Oh no, I’m too old to fly off and help you guys”…why would he say that immediately after flying all of this way to help them? I think the scene implies that he’s already on the planet…for some dumb reason.
Here’s a quick example I put together: https://streamable.com/ypyjk6
EDIT: Regarding the opening, where did we stand on the Burbin version? Add the TIEs into the lava shot, go directly to the forest shot, and just have Vader’s castle in the background?
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IMO, the best version of the Mustafar opening is still the “1-shot” version present in Ascendant V1. The Castle shot still looks janky and the new shot doesn’t really flow with the others.
IMO, the best version of the Mustafar opening is still the “1-shot” version present in Ascendant V1. The Castle shot still looks janky and the new shot doesn’t really flow with the others.
100% agree
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Yup so it turns out in canon that he was just chilling on the planet. But that was never the impression I got out of the scene. I thought his vehicle was basically like a taxi service or something.
I still stand by that removing the line would only make things worse. We should be trying to make it seem like he hasn’t just been chilling there.
And where has he been this whole time? Well, I’d imagine after the First Order took his daughter that he probably left the cause and did his own business ventures for a while.
The problem is, he does just chill there. He basically says, “Good luck facing the First Order on your own! I’m too old to help, and my knee is acting up again.” If Leia asks him to help them, why doesn’t he help them get to the ship? He just slinks back off into the background. If he just steps in of his own accord, and only does so because he recognizes Chewie, I think that makes a lot more sense.
EDIT: Ooh, another issue with the “Transmission” line: “Give Leia my love.” “You should give it to her yourself.” “Oh hey, that’s a great idea! [Calls Leia back] Hey girl, I love you! Don’t die until I get there! Haha.”
Like I said before though, my biggest reason for cutting the line, from a storytelling perspective, is just to stretch out the tension until we reveal that it’s Lando. Otherwise, the tension is deflated as soon as we learn “Oh, he’s a friend of Leia’s? I guess we can trust him then… Oh, it’s Lando. That’s nice.”
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I suppose you’re right that he should have helped out more. But for whatever reason the script writers thought having him tag along would distract viewers from the new characters. So they decided he should only tell them where it is located, give some background knowledge, and then skip off to consider joining the Resistance for real.
I think I see Hal’s intent with the new shot and I think it works. On the opening shot we see the TIEs are a ways off from the planet, so having an ‘establishing shot’, as I refered to it, of the surface allows some inferred time for the TIEs to actually reach the planet, then we can cut back to them. It’s a nice transition from ‘TIEs on space’ to ‘TIEs on the surface’, plus it’s a really pretty and striking shot that would be obscured with TIEs flying around.
And I don’t think the castle having no trees is an issue since it’s shown to be on a cliff in the background: the ‘establishing’ shot establishes lava and trees, then we se lava on the castle shot, and then we se trees on the flyover shot.
Honestly, when they filmed all of this, I don’t think it was originally meant to be Mustafar.
But you can come up with some Watsonian answer for it regardless. Maybe the cultists put it in the forest for some religious purpose.
Apparently it was always meant to be Mustafar. (The opening section of this script looks like it was somehow actually ripped from the real one.)
This version of the script is just based off the final film. Not earlier drafts. For example, there seems to be no deleted scenes in this script, like the deleted Oracle scene, or Kylo interrogating Chewie.
Anyway, not really important at this point.
Burbin, would you mind sending me the shot you tweaked of Rey turning on her yellow saber?
Sherlock, I don’t see a lot of fruit in tweaking Lando. It could’ve been done better, but I think that would just muddy it further. Why do the heroes stop to follow this random guy for no reason when they were sprinting for the Falcon? Lando decided to give a care after being inspired by (Rey) Skywalker… I guess?
Just a little update on the puppet show: I just finished up on a project I’ve been on for the past several months, so I can get to work on the puppets guilt-free now. I was hoping to see what snooker came up with first, since I have a feeling that I will actually prefer whatever she invents, but I might go ahead and cook up something in the meantime.
I think I see Hal’s intent with the new shot and I think it works. On the opening shot we see the TIEs are a ways off from the planet, so having an ‘establishing shot’, as I refered to it, of the surface allows some inferred time for the TIEs to actually reach the planet, then we can cut back to them. It’s a nice transition from ‘TIEs on space’ to ‘TIEs on the surface’, plus it’s a really pretty and striking shot that would be obscured with TIEs flying around.
Oh okay, yeah, I can see what you’re going for now. Although I’d personally still like some ship noises to fade in near the end of the shot to help bridge the shots together. (As if the ships are getting closer to the planet now.)
And Hal, like I said, my main intent wasn’t for tying up lose ends (although that’s an added benefit); I was going for a better sense of dramatic flow - save the reveal that he can be trusted until the reveal of who the character actually is. If you show him to be trustworthy, and then show that he’s Lando, I think that both reveals undercut one another, rather than compliment each other.
On the topic of dramatic flow, did anyone have any thoughts regarding my Rey Death Sequence restructure - having her die immediately after defeating Palpatine, and then saving her resurrection until after Finn and Jannah are rescued?
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Sherlock, I see what you mean about Lando. But I think removing him taking out the trooper makes his introduction feel very strange. I’d expect Poe to say, “Hey we gotta get to our ship who are you?”
I like the idea of moving Rey’s death forward, however, aside from the seemingly large task of musical score, I’d hate to break it apart from Finn’s reaction. With what you suggest I imagine chuckling that Finn is sensing he’s once again been put in the friend zone in favor of Kylo Ren. Like he’s saying “Oh no, not this guy again. Get away from her why don’tcha.”
Oh shoot, I’m sorry, the bit with cutting out the trooper was just an old test I did (that was vetoed). I just used the same timeline since the clips were already set up.
The main thing I’m obsessing over suggesting now is after that, when they get to the hideout, just to cut out Lando’s ADR line that “Leia sent me a message.” I also tried it with inserting Poe’s line “You with the Resistance?” (Again, just to draw out the reveal of whether or not the guy can really be trusted.)
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Ah, okay, gotcha. That could work fine. I can’t remember, but was that Finn line already in that scene or did you cull it from elsewhere?
Finn’s line was already there. The only changes I made were cutting the Lando line and adding the Poe line. (I wasn’t sure about the latter, but I wanted to try to emphasize the uncertainty a little more. I did also tweak the volume levels to make “You with” more balanced against “The Resistance.”)
Sorry for the confusion with the trooper! I meant to cut that first part out of the timeline for this test, but…oh well.
EDIT: Same test, but only the relevant bits included. Sorry, everyone: https://streamable.com/sgsiln
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IMO, the best version of the Mustafar opening is still the “1-shot” version present in Ascendant V1. The Castle shot still looks janky and the new shot doesn’t really flow with the others.
Yeah as much as I want a Vader’s castle shot, I agree.
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Finn’s line was already there. The only changes I made were cutting the Lando line and adding the Poe line. (I wasn’t sure about the latter, but I wanted to try to emphasize the uncertainty a little more. I did also tweak the volume levels to make “You with” more balanced against “The Resistance.”)
Sorry for the confusion with the trooper! I meant to cut that first part out of the timeline for this test, but…oh well.
EDIT: Same test, but only the relevant bits included. Sorry, everyone: https://streamable.com/sgsiln
That’s flawless.
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I don’t think it’s necessary but I’d be interested to see how it shaped up if you pursue it. But I don’t foresee really going for it for this project.
I like the idea of adding connecting shots like that, but I think the transition with the wayfinder works really well as is.
I like the idea of adding connecting shots like that, but I think the transition with the wayfinder works really well as is.
Something I suggested earlier in this thread:
List of space/ships shots that could hopefully be made by someone with WAY more skills than me:
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