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I love the OOT fan projects here - yet still want an official unaltered OT release. You too?

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Firstly, I have to state I am a massive admirer of this site, both the cause and goal that it achieved with the petition - as part of the fan pressure - which led to the release of the 2006 GOUT dvds. And the evolution of the site into some of the best Original Trilogy preservation projects available to us mere mortals…

From the early VHS and laserdisc captures I see on here in the older parts of the forums, to the 2004 SE & 2006 GOUT DVD improvement projects, to the painstaking reconstruction by Harmy for his Despecialized Edits - based on the 2011 blu rays, puggo’s ‘Grande’ 16mm project (puntastic!), poita’s ongoing and amazing 35mm OT projects, the SSE and 4K projects by many of the good people both on here and also at TheStarWarsTrilogy.com, the educational and quality aspects of Mike Verta’s SW Legacy, and countless other projects.

On top of that… the various Fan Edits too; not just OT-based projects - but for all aspects of Star Wars. From Zion’s, Editroid’s & SKot’s Holiday Specials, adywan’s Revisited Edits, Hal 9000’s Prequel Edits, smudger’s Clone Wars, ADM’s 6-film Edit Saga, MagnoliaFan’s Eps 1 & 2 Edits and his pre-ANH VHS project.

All the way through to Sequel Edits, and newer projects by poppasketti, DigMod, NeverarGreat, Cameron Samurai, IlFanEditore and a whole list of people I’ve probably offended by omitting here (Sorry!)

 

The sheer talent and dedication, the ideas and problem-solving, that takes places in many of these threads is something to behold, respect and admire.

I love all of the projects I’ve seen on here - and especially the preservations of the Original Trilogy - where they be from those previously mentioned VHS, laserdisc and dvd projects - through to Harmy’s superb Despecialized or reel-based 4K projects recently available - and those projects still to come!

They are all fantastic and we are so fortunate to have them, all of them, thanks to the magnificent efforts of the people on this resolute and fantastic site - as well as other similar sites too.

What the fans have achieved and accomplished here is nothing short of remarkable…

 

And yet…

as the thread title states, I still yearn for that elusive, eagerly awaited, much anticipated, often rumored, (waiting for Godot!) official release of the unaltered theatrical version for the Original Trilogy…

Why on earth do we do it to ourselves? 😉

 

Maybe it is the kid in us?

Wanting what we have been told we can’t have, maybe it is because we have had that precious, worn-in and much-loved thing taken away - and replaced with another newer, yet less kosher, shinier replacement… that just quite isn’t the same as the old original one?

 

Or maybe the Rebel still alive in us (just)?

Thumbing our noses at ’George the creator’ in all of this, who has took it upon himself to decide that these award-winning films which stood unaltered (near enough) for 20 years - and made what they were by many talented and dedicated people around him - can longer be seen… as he solely adjudged them to be not the ‘right’ version or ‘vision’ (this, despite George not even directing two of the 3 OT films - and speaking how the films belong to the directors - not the studios (cough)…

 

Maybe it is this place itself?

This hive of creativity, will, and rebellion - us wanting to see it succeed once again as it did in pressuring Lucasfilm into the 2006 GOUT DVD release (along with fan pressure from others, of course). To see it be victor again and this time with a quality release on a modern format with the love, dedication and respect these films so deserve.

Or the kindness of people like Rikter in helping people acquire these projects, and the old PIF systems before torrents, Mega and Rapidshare etc. People helping each other out with technical issues, queries and advice, giving up precious time and efforts and working towards improving techniques - for better and continually improving versions of projects; maybe it is these efforts that continue to amaze - all given for free.

And not be cheated with a release of the quality that we, the fans, were ‘rewarded’ with back in 2006 on the back of our successful fan pressure on Lucasfilm… a substandard and obsolete transfer meant for a laserdisc release 13 years prior - with DNR problems and other quality audio/video issues.

 

Maybe it is the old claims & acknowledgments from Lucasfilm… (now no longer being acknowledged)?

That broken promise of what we were initially informed of in 2006 on the official Star Wars website - in the PR release by then Lucasfilm Vice President by Jim Ward:-

“That overwhelming demand” mentioned - which nobody from Lucasfilm (or now Disney) wants to talk about - and willfully ignores…

“Over the years a truly countless number of fans have told us they would love to see and own the original version that they remember experiencing in the theaters” - see above re Lucasfilm and Disney, see above…

“We returned to the Lucasfilm archives to search exhaustively for source material that could be presented on DVD” - re that obsolete and 13 year old transfer for a laserdisc release we ended up receiving instead 😉 Some ‘search’…
 

(click on ‘expand’ below to see a screenshot image of the Star Wars website announcement of the 2006 GOUT DVD release)

 
 

Maybe it is wanting to share that same experience we all had… with family, loved ones, and the new younger generation?

We’re all getting older (dammit!) - yet one of the more important things I’ve learnt as I’ve ‘grown up’ is to share those special memories or experiences with others; with your loved ones, family, friends the next generation, as it were… which is increasingly difficult to do when it comes to sharing your favourite Star Wars moments - given most are likely to be from the Original Trilogy - and there so are many different versions available - apart from the ones we grew up with and would like to share, watch again and experience with people important to us…

And no, the '97, '04, '11 or ‘19 Special Editions don’t cut it - they aren’t ours, they aren’t the ones’ we grew up with and fell in love with, they didn’t stand for 20 years before being altered to freely test new technology for forthcoming projects - or formed the basis for all of the Star Wars Universe since.

 

Maybe it comes down to what is ‘right’ and what is ‘wrong’, the lies, conflicting reasons, and retcons?

The importance of chronicling film history and preserving it - ironic consider George Lucas is an advocate of preserving films - just not his own…

The fogging of the differing versions in official sources - inferring to younger fans and those who don’t better and believe some of the footage from the films were from 40 years ago - again… not in changes from 2019, or in '11, or '04, or in '97.

The conflicting and often nonsensical reasons given by George as to why we cannot have a release of the OOT - continually disproved over time… much like many of his statements of his plans for the films, the reasons why he made the changes to the films, and also his attempts to re-write history.

 

Though maybe it is something else altogether?

 

Anyway, that’s enough of my opinion and rambling on…
 

Does anyone still feel the same, or along similar lines? Do you still pine for that unlikely official OOT release?

Are the reasons why you do akin to the reasons listed above - or something different altogether for you?

It’d be awesome to read others’ views and discuss that here with like-minded members of the community - as well as with those offer think differently, or with those who are content with the fan preservations - and talk about that too…

MTFBW us all.

#ReleaseTheOriginalTrilogy

 
 

(Feel free to ignore this thread if you haven’t much interest in it - there are many, many other absorbing threads and projects on this great place to discuss and post in! Though I hope the subject is still one of passion to members on here? That we are still the spark that will light the fire that will restore the Republic OOT? Many thanks to ooj for some of the history and links included above.)

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Absolutely I’d love to see an official release!

That is not to take anything away for the numerous fantastic projects that have taken place on here since the early days of the forum.

But an official release would make it easier for the many talented people on here to no doubt fix and put right (given that any official release would likely require some additional work, given the sub-standard quality for many of Lucasfilm’s releases for some time).

 

My reasons for wanting to see an official release are all listed above, but also because it is not right that Geoerge Lucas changes two films he did not direct. And then stopped people experiencing the original version not made by him. Then more changes, then more changes, then more changes and more releases - but the original films made by the Kershner and Marquand are still not available.

Disney and Lucasfilm should remember that (maybe they do - but do not care?).

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In theory yes, because I hate that the films don’t exist anymore. It’s heartbreaking and infuriating that when I talk Star Wars at work with folks in their 20s, they have no concept whatsoever of an original theatrical version. I hate seeing Lucas celebrated at SW events and crapping on about his mythological motifs while the very movies that made him a household name have been suppressed by him. I hate that Gary Kurtz didn’t live to see and hold a pristine DVD/BluRay/4K copy of the groundbreaking films he produced. It’s just ridiculous.

For me personally I don’t care. I have versions for personal use that I’m more than happy with. I can’t help but think Disney would screw it up somehow anyway - mess with the sound mix or do something dumb with the colours or sleeve art. So yes, an official release on principal but I’m happy with what I have.

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I would love an official release. I agree with V.I.N.Cent. I’m thankful for all the Fans and People who have preserved these historic films in there Original State. Over the years many projects have come out of this site and TSWT.

I don’t mind that there are revisited/recut/remastered cuts of movies. Or even Fan edits. Change can be a good thing as long as history is preserved.

Being in my mid 20’s I’m glad my 1st introduction to SW was the Faces VHS. I like the new versions as well. But wish an official release of the OUT was available.

But, Thanks to the many efforts and projects here. I can finally show friends and family the Original Cuts in high quality/ on par with the official released versions.

#ReleaseTheOriginalTrilogy

One day we will have properly restored versions of the Original Unaltered Trilogy (OUT); or 1977, 1980, 1983 Theatrical released versions (Like 4K77,4K80 and 4K83); including Prequels. So that future generations can enjoy these historic films that changed cinema forever.

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In theory yes, because I hate that the films don’t exist anymore. It’s heartbreaking and infuriating that when I talk Star Wars at work with folks in their 20s, they have no concept whatsoever of an original theatrical version. I hate seeing Lucas celebrated at SW events and crapping on about his mythological motifs while the very movies that made him a household name have been suppressed by him. I hate that Gary Kurtz didn’t live to see and hold a pristine DVD/BluRay/4K copy of the groundbreaking films he produced. It’s just ridiculous.

For me personally I don’t care. I have versions for personal use that I’m more than happy with. I can’t help but think Disney would screw it up somehow anyway - mess with the sound mix or do something dumb with the colours or sleeve art. So yes, an official release on principal but I’m happy with what I have.

It’s got to be Kathleen Kennedy’s doing… once she’s gone (how much longer can she hang around given the massive mismanagement of SW so far?) I wouldn’t be surprised to see the originals released on blu-ray/digital. That said, the 4k projects here more than satisfy my need for the originals. Even if they did release the originals, would they release the first as “Star Wars” and not “Episode 4: A New Hope”? I doubt it… Love project 4k and never need an official release tbh, even when watching on my 120" home theater system…

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I’m glad I don’t have to type huge treatises anymore and can just link to my article about my feelings on the subject.

I will reiterate that it’s absolutely essential that we have an official release of the OOT. As neat as the fan restorations are, there is no reason that our parents (or our kids!) shouldn’t be able to walk into a store or turn on their Roku and be able to watch the movies that changed the world.

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I love the OOT fan projects here - yet still want an official unaltered OT release. You too?
 

Yes, of course. But I think even if it there was an official release we would still likely need fan projects to fix or improve them.
 

I saw theprequelsrule’s recent post here and him talking about only engaging with fan made projects in Star Wars, and it got me thinking:

Lucasfilm haven’t done a quality release of the Original Trilogy since the 1990’s! Not with the care and attention it deserves.

2004 SE DVD? Awful. “Deliberate creative decisions” bullshit, faulty discs, more changes, terrible blue coloring.
2006 GOUT DVD? Insulting. An obsolete and low effort release of a 13 year lasderdisc transfer, and huge DNR issues.
2011 SE blu ray? Awful. More coloring issues and loss of detail. More changes too. Nooo-oooooooo!
2019 SE 4k/UHD? Poor. Yet more changes, It was better than the previous efforts, but big losses of image detail.
 

It is the fan projects on here that have previously fixed and improved upon the actual official releases. And would probably do so again if there ever is an official release of the unaltered theatrical cuts from Lucasfilm.

Don’t get me wrong, I want such a release as much as the next fan. And I love and agree with these important threads on here:
 

Disney+ Should Offer the Star Wars Original Cuts—All of Them - doubleofive’s article for Wired. a backup to the Wired article

^ A quality and comprehensive article on why the films are important to the people who grew up with them, why they wish to have the option to experience them as they originally were released - as well as preserving important and cultural film history for everyone to experience. A reminder that the various ‘Special Edition’ versions are NOT the award-winning, iconic, landmark & ground-breaking original version of the films. And highlights just why we are here - some of us for many years, and some just taking our first steps…

#ReleaseTheOriginalTrilogyWhat We Want And How To Make It - a sequel piece by doubleofive to the above Wired article.

“Disney+ Should Offer the Star Wars Original Cuts” 2020 article - on Wired (OT•com thread on the Wired article by doubleofive)

❗ #ReleaseTheOriginalTrilogy | OriginalTrilogy•com’s enduring goal | How YOU can help… ❗

^ The OT•com supporting the #ReleaseTheOriginalTrilogy campaign - the call for an official release of the unaltered theatrical version of the three classic Star Wars films - and what YOU can do to help restore them to the galaxy. MTFBWY… Always.

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Some useful OT.com threads re the suppression of the theatrical Original Trilogy films

Is the idea of Criterion putting the unaltered theatrical Original Trilogy out on Blu-ray or 4K such a far-fetched concept now?

Disney+ should release all of the theatrical versions of the Star Wars movies on their streaming service

I’ll never understand the attitude of people who oppose the release of the unaltered original trilogy

The 'Naysayer Guide’ by people who DON’T want an unaltered theatrical release of the Original Trilogy…

^ and many other great threads on here too.

I think Criterion would do a great job. But if Lucasfilm did an unaltered cut release of the OT? It’d be fantastic to finally have, sure. And it’d even better when the talented people on here and TSWT would likely start on improvements and fixes within days of it hitting the shelves or Disney+!

“Don’t tell anyone… but when ‘Star Wars’ first came out, I didn’t know where it was going either. The trick is to pretend you’ve planned the whole thing out in advance. Throw in some father issues and references to other stories - let’s call them homages - and you’ve got a series.” - George Lucas

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Sideburns of BoShek said:

I love the OOT fan projects here - yet still want an official unaltered OT release. You too?
 

Yes, of course. But I think even if it there was an official release we would still likely need fan projects to fix or improve them.

2004 SE DVD? Awful. “Deliberate creative decisions” bullshit, faulty discs, more changes, terrible blue coloring.
2006 GOUT DVD? Insulting. An obsolete and low effort release of a 13 year lasderdisc transfer, and huge DNR issues.
2011 SE blu ray? Awful. More coloring issues and loss of detail. More changes too. Nooo-oooooooo!
2019 SE 4k/UHD? Poor. Yet more changes, It was better than the previous efforts, but big losses of image detail.

That is a good point. Surprising too, isn’t it?
 

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I’d still want an official release for the same reason as you, a chance for the talents on here to fix and improve upon any issues.

And also to make those unaltered cuts available to as a wider audience as possible. Available on the store shelves or on Disney+ for anyone interested to simply buy and experience. Without the technical knowledge sometimes needed to obtain and watch the awesome fan projects.

As in The 'Naysayer Guide’ by people who DON’T want an unaltered theatrical release of the OT thread:

4:There are Harmy Despecialized Editions and TN1’s 4KXX fan versions - I have those and am happy with them!

We know - we’re the same community that these quality projects originated from (and many more fan endeavours besides). 😃

We’re very happy with them too! Still, as amazing as these preservation projects are - and they are truly amazing… not everyone is aware of them. Nor is everyone computer-savvy enough to get a hold of them. Online fans do make a up hefty percentage of Star Wars fandom - but we are by no means in the majority… both older and younger fans, people not online much, and indeed people who are online - yet simply aren’t aware of the existence or availability of these fan preservations… would all benefit from having an official version to be able to simply buy.

An official high quality release - whether on the store shelf, available to order online, or even to buy and experience on the Disney+ streaming service, should be readily available and accessible to everyone.

And in the fading hope that Lucasfilm may actually put out an actual high QA release of the Original Trilogy, for the first time since the 90s, like you said.

“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas

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Nice images! What on earth has happened to Lucasfilm’s once revered QA?

Yeah, that is also good reminder that many fans may not have likely heard of the Despecialized Edits or the TN1 4K projects, have the know how to acquire them and burn to disc, or to play them through a media center/server setup. That’s easy to forget for us more “online” and supposed tech-savvy fans.

“Don’t tell anyone… but when ‘Star Wars’ first came out, I didn’t know where it was going either. The trick is to pretend you’ve planned the whole thing out in advance. Throw in some father issues and references to other stories - let’s call them homages - and you’ve got a series.” - George Lucas

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Sideburns of BoShek said:

Nice images! What on earth has happened to Lucasfilm’s once revered QA?

Thanks, but I simply copied and pasted them from the academic George Lucas: Star Wars Creator, Unreliable Narrator & Time Travelling Revisionist thread.

As for Lucasfilm’s QA and what happened to it? It is so long ago I doubt anyone there is old enough to remember when they had a good reputation for that kind of thing, let alone actually have a high QA standard for their releases.

“Deliberate creative decisions” for the 2004 OT DVDs still makes me laugh until I’m tearing up, nearly 20 years later!

“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas

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Thinking on this, a TON of credit should go to the preservationists, editors, tech guys, audio wiz’s, subtitle providers, and all the knowledge and experience of the fans on here and on the sister sites who have put together so many great projects over time, just to get to this point.

That many people probably trust the wizards on here to do a better job than any likely official Lucasfilm release of the OOT.

Which is weird, to say the least. All the very much deserved and well earnt credit to them.

Come on Lucasfilm. Time to up your game! And to also release the unaltered theatrical cuts with the best possible QA. 😉

“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas

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Sideburns of BoShek said:

Nice images! What on earth has happened to Lucasfilm’s once revered QA?

Yeah, that is also good reminder that many fans may not have likely heard of the Despecialized Edits or the TN1 4K projects, have the know how to acquire them and burn to disc, or to play them through a media center/server setup. That’s easy to forget for us more “online” and supposed tech-savvy fans.

These days everyone knows how to use a memory stick though, things are more accessible than ever. Hopefully the word gets around but ultimately most people are just going to watch what they are given on streaming.

As for the question at hand I’d still love an official release. But will it be marred by things like pink sabers, glitches, detail problems? Probably.

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Every member of my family i have talked to about the originals either thinks they’ve already been released, or tells me to get over it.

If they were released i would buy them even if maybe 4K77 and 4K83 might end up being better than official releases, for one reason or another. Maybe they screw up the color correction, don’t give us original audio. Or too much DNR. Or even if they digitally tweak optical effects like they did with Indiana Jones. Or even recomposite them.