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Magnola's"Pre-ANH"- some details please?

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What exactly is the deal ith this version of ep 4? Can we geta list of changes/reworks?
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…and a strange, yet good experience it is too - seeing the opening crawl come up like that.

For me the rawer sound effects in many of the blaster and fighting scenes give it a more intense feel.

(unless it’s the tv on way out again!)

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Does there exist a torrent to this version? I'd love to see it...

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Originally posted by: Pemdawg
What exactly is the deal ith this version of ep 4? Can we geta list of changes/reworks?



Read -
This

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Wow. So if I understand that link right, both Threepio's "tractor beam" line and the Stormtrooper's "Close the blast doors!" was in pre-ANH. I wasn't sure about the Threepio line, but I had no idea "Close the blast doors!" used to be in the original version.
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So, Mag, is your DVD justa cleanup of the bootleg tape, or is it an edit of the Laserdisc version using the early soundtrack? Can we get some screenshots? BTW, you rule!
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My baby is still in the hospital but doing very well!!!

I'm gonna be heading ov there in a few minutes but I was browsing the forum and this topic keeps popping up....

MagnoliaFan from the information I've gathered has...

- used the DVD (meaning a LD transfer) as one of the sources.

- then I believe that he also used the VHS and a few other sources for the sound

- I only have a PROTOTYPE at this time and the video is near full DVD for the video and the sound was a wonderful transfer with the 'missing' dialogue.

- I hope to have a copy some time this coming week for a better review but based on the prototype - I'd say it's another MagnoliaFan hit.

Magnolifan - If I incorrectly posted any information please let me know and I will correct it ASAP!! (well in a day or so )

AGAIN THIS IS NOT A RE-EDIT or anything like that..........

- MagnoliaFan has taken all the above information that has been collected of the last "only the Maker" knows how long they've been collecting that information - BUT since this information was collected MagnoliaFan (a VERY wonderful and dedicated fan) has taken it upon himself to do his best to RECREATE the original PRE-ANH VHS on DVD - JUST an update to the original - THERE ARE NO ADDED SCENES OR FOOTAGE IN THIS VERSION - (there never was any footage CUT from the original film as it first showed there were only additions - The audio was changed in succesive releasses as the Ben Burtt keeped improving the quality of the audio in each of these succesive releases.

For those of you who did not read the 'The Edits and DVDr releases thread' -

STAR WARS: The True Theatrical Version
- NO Known DVDr version to date, some VHS have surfaced but the quailty is suspect

Pre- A New Hope - From "Star Wars" to "A New Hope":

The reissue of "Star Wars" that ran for three weeks starting on Wednesday, August 15, 1979, DID NOT contain the "Episode IV: A NEW HOPE" subtitle. A trailer for "Empire" was shown, however, and a Kenner toys discount booklet was given out (both of which are announced on the poster for the reissue).

The first appearance of "Episode IV: A NEW HOPE" was on the new prints struck for the two-week reissue of "Star Wars" on April 10,1981, nearly one year after the premiere of "Empire." By the way, when the subtitle was added, the roll-up itself was changed. Lines of text were condensed differently so the length of the roll-up remained the same despite the addition of two lines at the top. The capitalized words DEATH STAR appear on one line in the first version and are broken on the revised version.

For the record, "Empire" was reissued later that year, on July 31, 1981. In 1982, "Star Wars" returned on April 10 and "Empire" on November 19.Both of these reissues featured identical "Revenge of the Jedi" trailers.

Floating around the black market limbo of sci-fi conventions and fanboy heaven is a forgotten bootleg of "Star Wars," a film transfer of the original 1977 theatrical release. It's interesting mainly as a curiosity, because the transfer is awful, the image is cropped poorly, and I'm sure that we all have much better, legal copies lying around. Nevertheless, as an account of the minor changes made to "Star Wars" over the years, it's priceless.

Following is a list of differences -

*Video differences:

First, the tape isn't really panned and scanned. It's panned all right, but not scanned--the picture just sits on the center of the widescreen frame. The only video difference I could find was in the opening scroll. Not only was the "Episode IV: A New Hope" tag missing,
but the lines were formatted differently.

Laserdisc reads:

Episode IV
A NEW HOPE

It is a period of civil war.
Rebel spaceships, striking
from a hidden base, have won
their first victory against
the evil Galactic Empire.

During the battle, Rebel
spies managed to steal secret
plans to the Empire's
ultimate weapon, the DEATH
STAR, an armored space
station with enough power to
destroy an entire planet.

Pursued by the Empire's
sinister agents, Princess
Leia races home aboard her
starship, custodian of the
stolen plans that can save
her people and restore
freedom to the galaxy . . . .

Pre-ANH reads:

It is a period of civil war.
Rebel spaceships, striking
from a hidden base, have
won their first victory
against the evil Galactic
Empire.

During the battle, Rebel
spies managed to steal
secret plans to the Empire's
ultimate weapon, the
DEATH STAR, an armored
space station with enough
power to destroy an entire
planet.

Pursued by the Empire's
sinister agents, Princess
Leia races home aboard her
starship, custodian of the
stolen plans that can save
her people and restore
freedom to the galaxy . . .

The KNOWN *Audio differences:

The nine 70mm prints contained a 6-track Dolby mix that was considered unfinished. When the properly cut prints were made, both 70mm and 35mm, they went into wide release accompanied by finished soundtracks. BUT, Dolby Stereo prints of the time were not mono-compatible as they are now, so sound designer Ben Burtt created a totally different monaural sound mix for 35mm, knowing that there were not many stereo theaters at the time. In my experience, this mix got its widest exposure during the "extended first run," which is erroneously (though widely) referred to as the "1978 reissue." The "Story of Star Wars" narration record was made using this different sound mix (with stereo sound effects laid over it); in it one can hear some of these differences. The echo at the chasm is only on the stereo mix, by the way, and it must be played back in stereo in order for it to be heard. It cannot even be heard on a Dolby print played in a mono theater or on a laserdisc played over a mono television monitor.

Threepio's lines ("The tractor beam is coupled...") were added back into the home video sound master in 1986. For the recent boxed set laserdisc, a new soundtrack was created for ANH, incorporating all of the above. Oddly enough, Threepio's lines were left out once again!

1) Alarms and klaxons are different.

2) Added panel sound effects aboard the Falcon, including a descending whine as they come out of hyperspace.

3) The communications to Tarkin via comlink are completely different.

4) When Threepio and Artoo are hiding from the Imperials on Tatooine, the stormtroopers dubbed voice is different, and so is the line:

Laserdisc:
"All right, check this side of the street. The doors locked. Move on to the next one."

Pre-ANH video:
"All right, check that side of the street. It's secure. Move on to the next one."

5) A different actress dubs for Aunt Beru. Neither version features the real voice of actress Shelagh Fraser, who has a thick British accent.

6) Some Threepio dialogue uses different takes. The additional lines ("The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave....") are

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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(continued from Rikter’s post above)…

  1. Some Threepio dialogue uses different takes. The additional lines (“The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave…”) are missing from the laserdisc version.

  2. The echo in the core shaft (“I think we took a wrong turn…”) is present in both versions. However, the echo is more pronounced in the laserdisc version–probably because the video is missing the surround channels.

  3. The laserdisc is missing the now-famous “Close the blast doors!” line.

  4. Intership voices during the final battle are not synthesized.

  5. During the final battle, “countdown” voices on the Death Star and at the Massassi base on Yavin IV are completely different.

  6. Luke’s line on the laserdisc, “Blast it, Biggs. Where are you?” is different on the pre-ANH video: “Blast it, Wedge. Where are you?” (from the collection of Peter Poulakakos).

Rik - Cheers for the preANH info too, mate.

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Bit of a bump, this - it’s only getting on for 12 years…

I found a dvd copy of this MagnoliaFan version of ‘a Pre-ANH’ Star Wars amongst some stuff previously thought lost in a house move a while back. There may be more info on this in this thread here - but am not 100% sure - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/id/801/page/1

If anyone wants a 1.9gb .mp4 copy from a googledrive you can PM me for a shared link. (You’ll have to own a copy of Star Wars on vhs, betamax, philips2000, laserdisc, dvd, vcd, cd, film, or whatever format was going back then! - as per site / fanedit rules 😉)

Got to be honest - the picture and sound quality is very raw - in fact the whole film comes across that way - but still enjoyed watching it! MagnoliaFan did a top job back in the day…

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What exactly is this? An early reconstruction of the '77 crawl and audio?

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Wazzles said:

What exactly is this? An early reconstruction of the '77 crawl and audio?

As far as I can remember/tell it’s NOT a reconstruction - but more a merging of the content from a VHS bootleg handcam recording from a time before ‘A New Hope’ or ‘Episode 4’ was added to Star Wars - edited together with a laserdisc version of the film (for quality) and put onto dvd by MagnoliaFan.

(back then we were all watchers of the various laserdisc versions from PAL/NTSC/Jap regions, and varying quality of laserdisc players being put onto dvds - by the likes of Dr Gonzo, TR47, Cowclops, Isomix, Moth3r, Editdroid, Editous, Citizen, Grinder etc).

Hopefully someone else remembers better than I do - though it may be worth contacting MagnoliaFan himself to see if he can remember! 😃

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actually (from 7-Jul-2004 - http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-The-Edits-and-DVDr-releases-thread/id/801/page/3)…

MagnoliaFan said:

The audio mix comes straight from the bootleg vhs.
The video has been replaced shot for shot with the lbx laserdisc and the alternate crawl was recreated in After Effects. Also Greedo’s subtitles were recreated as a subtitle track. It’s similar to how the dvd remastered Phantom Re-Edit was done.

For that, the audio was from vhs, the video was a dvd rip, and the subtitles were transcribed as a seperate sub track.
In that case, though, two shots had to be replaced, as no dvd source existed for them, but a before and after vhs to dvd comparison was left to show how minimal the changes were.

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