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#1308174
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OT lightsaber colours
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I need a definitive answer from our resident restoration guys. What were the colours of the various lightsabers in the OT in the theaters?

Were Luke and Ben’s blades blue, light blue, or cyan? I always remember Luke’s blade being sky blue in SW, but a deeper “true” blue in Empire.

Was Vader’s crimson, orange-red, pink-red (always seemed pink-red on in Empire, but more crimson in Return)?

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#1307910
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Ranking the Alien films
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

The only two movies in this franchise that are watchable are Alien and Aliens. The first is great, the second is really good. Theatrical cuts all the way for both. Cameron’s director’s cut is unwatchable, and Scott’s is unnecessary.

I like about half the scenes in Cameron’s Director’s cut. The early scene with Newt and her family is really bad, but the sentry gun stuff is great. I like it when Hicks and Ripley exchange first names, but hate the extended discussion of the Alien social structure in medlab.

I think Alien 3 is watchable, but not enjoyable. Prometheus was half-baked; either be a prequel or don’t be. A lot of compromises in it, and I would guess pressure from the studio to tie it into the main Alien Series. Have not seen Convent or whatever it is called and have no interest in doing so.

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#1307908
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<em>The Empire Strikes Back</em> has a similar problem to <em>The Force Awakens</em>, and it isn't really talked about that much.
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SW77 is self-contained because Lucas had no idea if any sequels would happen; hence the happy ending. Vader getting away in the end is a classic scenario from the pulp serials like Flash Gordan that Lucas loved so much.

And for the record, ESB has a happy ending. Han was in trouble yes, but they escaped from the Empire, recruited a new ally in Lando, and Luke’s power was rising. The music cue at the end is not “sad ending” music.

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#1307801
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What SE changes (if any) did people like?
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RicOlie_2 said:

There are so many amazing changes I loved, I don’t think I can list them all!

In ANH, it was wonderful to see Han fire only in self-defense, making him seem less like a bad guy! That added such depth to his character and showed there was really good in him all along.

The Jabba scene was also a great idea! Not only do we get to see Jabba extra early so we don’t have to wait so long to see him in ROTJ, but the important dialogue from the Greedo scene is reinforced and repeated so that we don’t forget that Han has to pay Jabba lots of money. That is important for ESB and ROTJ, otherwise people would probably forget why Jabba wanted Han. But not only that; the new Jabba was created with pristine, state-of-the-art CGI and looked just like the puppet!

The ring around the Death Star explosion really added power to the scene and was so much more satisfactory than the old, pathetic one which really looked like a model blowing up (but now it doesn’t because of the ring!).

I also really loved the nice blue tint they put over everything, as that added so much colour and atmosphere to the movie.

Also, it looks like Obi-Wan wears lipstick a lot, which I think is a clever nod to the transgender community, showing Lucasfilm’s acceptance of all people in the fan community.

In ESB, I was glad to see that the wampa got more screen time. The poor guy hardly made an appearance originally, but now we get to see him eat, confirming our suspicions that he actually ate the tauntaun. With its previous ambiguity, we didn’t know what happened to the tauntaun or why the wampa took Luke, but it is all put to rest for once and for all (for all because that crappy original original trilogy is gone now).

I was pleased to see that Boba Fett’s stupid voice was finally gone, and replaced by a real actor. The new one sounds like he’s half asleep, which works really well with Fett’s character, since it shows that he is bored and is so cool he doesn’t even care about what’s going on.

Vader’s new line replacing “Bring my shuttle!” is so much better. With the old line we were left wondering, “Where is Darth Vader going? Will the people on the Star Destroyer be sufficiently prepared for his arrival?” Now everything is clear and we don’t have to worry about it anymore.

Another change that I liked was the new Emperor/Vader scene. Now we don’t have to deal with Clive Revel and Elaine Baker and we have the handsome Ian replacing them…and with brand new dialogue that explains things better for the fans!

Hoth looked really did look cold with the new blue tint (everything else looked cold too, but whatever).

In ROTJ we are treated to an all new music video called “Lappy Neck” or something like that. The talent and CGI displayed in the video was so good that I think they should go back and replace Star Wars with a musical saga, replacing all puppets with CGI and adding a whole bunch of new ones who can pop out from behind trees and stuff and sing (I can see it now: Star Wars: A Musical Hope followed by The Tenor Strikes Back and Rehearsal of the Jedi and preceded by The Phantom VocalistAttack of the Notes, and Remix of the Sith).

I also love the new ending! Now we get to see Naboo and see that our beloved Gungans are OK and we can finally dispel the former notion that the collapse of the Empire was actually spread out over a long period of time. Now we know that everybody was happy as soon as the Emperor died, so the Empire couldn’t have been that bad after all, giving us more sympathy for the Imperials when we watch the movies again.

Perhaps best of all is that we get to see the tender young Anakin Skywalker, with the appearance of our beloved protaganist from the prequel trilogy, whereas before that scene was a “Who the heck is that guy?” moment, which detracted from the emotional impact of the scene. Now we see more clearly the tender love between father and son as young Anakin sheepishly smiles at his son and all former misunderstandings fall away. What better way to end the saga?

Overall, I am glad that Lucas just added a bunch of stuff without changing the story and keeping all the continuity errors and other stuff intact. Even better, it is really noticeable so that we don’t miss any exciting new stuff and we don’t get the original and the special editions mixed up.

May your midichlorians multiply and good luck come on the backs of rontos!

This is a work of genius.

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#1307799
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The Star Wars Saga: Reconstructed Edition (Was &quot;The Star Wars Saga – Streamlined&quot;)
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I always imagined the Clone Masters were geniuses of genetic engineering; throwing supersoldiers, war beasts, etc. at the Republic forces.

An alternative idea I toyed with years ago was replacing the Trade Federation with the Clone Masters as a powerful semi-independent faction within the Republic. Maybe they supply the Republic with it’s troops (like in the PT) and then try to stage a coup. Meshes with the PT a little better.

I also toyed with the idea that the Mandalorians are creation of the Clone Masters, but I prefer them to be technologically advanced warrior nomads like in the old EU. Hell, maybe the Death Star was their idea.

Are we agreed that Leia definitely gets a red lightsaber?

The Force extends ones life - I always envisioned this. So, Obi-wan is around 100 years old in Star Wars and had fought in all three Clone Wars.

The devastation of The Republic after the Clone Wars is what leads to Palpatine taking over. The various large Guilds (Transport, Power, etc.) get him elected, thinking he is just a useful idiot and would make an ideal figurehead. He turns the tables of course.

EDIT: Episode 1 drops us into the middle of the last, and most devastating, of the Clone Wars.

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#1307784
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Wars, organizations, relationships, and galactic history before the Prequels
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I want to start a dedicated thread for discussing the background and backstory of the SW universe before we got the Prequel Trilogy.

I want to start with the whole situation on Tatooine. Was this Kenobi’s home planet? Was Owen actually his brother (stated as such, IIRC, in the novelization of ROTJ)? Did Anakin really want Luke to have his lightsaber “when he was old enough”? Does that mean Anakin abandoned the Jedi order to go into hiding?

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#1307777
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The Star Wars Saga: Reconstructed Edition (Was &quot;The Star Wars Saga – Streamlined&quot;)
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Some thoughts, alternative ideas, and responses:

-let’s have blue be the color for all Jedi lightsabers, and red for all Sith, Luke gets green which symbolizes his New Jedi Order
-Palpatine is not Sith; he is something even more powerful in the Darkside
-Ventress dual-wielding ounds good; no lightpikes, double bladed blades or other silliness
-Clone Masters need to be the main enemy at some point (Episode 2 I guess); they come from outside the Galaxy and attack without warning; they are allied with the Mandalorians
-Boba Fetts suit/armour is a very light scout suit, not the heavy duty powered armor/exoskeletons worn by the front-line warriors
-there are multiple Clone Wars seperated by years of peace
-lets put the Jedi in white half-armour like Kenobi wears in the Clone Wars

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#1307758
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Anchorhead said:

To me, ”They fly now” would have worked much better if only 3PO said it. He delivers it in keeping with who he was when he was in the asteroid field from Empire.

“You can write this &^%$, but you can’t say it.” The delivery is terrible and I think just having Finn and Poe exchange a glance that expresses their disbelief (or maybe lack thereof) would have been much better.

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#1307663
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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dgraham414 said:

“I hate it when he does that”
“Good job”
“Oh, it’s you”
“Haven’t you noticed the SHIELDS are still UP”

LOL! I think we should re-title (is that a word?) this thread to “Terrible Obi-wan Kenobi Prequel Dialogue”.

Aside: When trying to hide your identity, someone should have told Obi-wan that changing your last name is probably a good idea. Of course, maybe in the SW universe “Kenobi” is as common as “Smith” (used to be).

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#1307662
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<em>The Mandalorian</em> - Season One - * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

Thrawn’s "genius’ is just a little obnoxious, that’s all. Don’t hate the character.

I understand where you are coming from, but I think that was the point. Thrawn’s Empire is not going to be defeated militarily just like Palpatine’s Empire is not going to be defeated through sheer power in the Force. They both fail because of moral corruption.

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#1307661
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<em>The Mandalorian</em> - Season One - * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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Broom Kid said:

I think animation is one of the best possible mediums for Star Wars. Maybe even better than live-action in a lot of ways.

The medium you choose certainly does affect what feels “right” or believable doesn’t it? Many scenes that I feel are effective and that I enjoy in the Clone Wars TV series I would scoff at and come across as silly in live action. The PT certainly felt like it wanted to be a cartoon, yes?

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#1307656
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<em>The Mandalorian</em> - Season One - * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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Broom Kid said:
Zahn wrote a Star Wars trilogy that is really more like a 6 or 9 film series in terms of how much story is packed in there, and the tone of it is definitely more like a crime procedural and a military fantasy than the space opera Star Wars is.

It was Zahn writing a great sci-fi military adventure using Star Wars characters. But I don’t know that it would work as an animated Star Wars story. It’s why they’re plucking out the star character and reinterpreting him instead of bringing the whole thing to bear.

I think it just wouldn’t fit with what the sequel trilogy is working with.

It is a different take to be sure…but he handled the OT characters so well. They spoke with the right “voice”. And more Wedge content!

I liked the idea of Leia redeeming her father in her own way too. The notion too, of a strategic and tactical military savant as a counter to force users is interesting as well. Thrawn is almost too perfect…but he isn’t. For all his genius his commitment to lies and deception and his ignorance of the force undoes him in the end.

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#1307653
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Worst Ideas in Star Wars/Good Ideas that went Horribly Wrong
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DominicCobb said:

theprequelsrule said:

DominicCobb said:

like too how the EU novel Labyrinth of Evil sets up that Anakin has basically been, unbeknownst to Obi-wan, slowly but surely tapping into the power of the dark side as a means to help win the Clone Wars. What if Anakin’s whole goal was to end the war, and really kinda thought he was a good man, trying to bring peace to the galaxy (words that ring hollow in ROTS as is), which is why he agreed to quickly wipe out the Jedi so that they wouldn’t quickly fall into another war? It’s funny because you can see that’s sort of Lucas’s intent but it ends up as subtext, at best.

We are never shown the implied addictive character of the Darkside are we? You start to use it because you feel you need the power, but in the end it masters you. There is an implication that it is a malevolent force that twists it’s users to pure evil even if they had noble goals. Palpatine is the end result of the process; power for power’s sake.

Yes, that’s exactly how it was portrayed in the OT and then Lucas dropped the ball. Just look at the scene where Anakin kills Dooku - instead of instinctively killing him after unleashing his anger to best him, he has to be goaded into doing it after he’s already admitted that it’s not the right thing to do. So stupid.

Garbage acting and directing as well. Compare it to the scene it “rhymes with” in ROTJ and there is no comparison. The emotional impact and physical ferocity (man, is Luke pissed off!) in ROTJ are miles beyond the ROTS scene.

edit: forgot to add that the music in the ROTJ scene is much better too.

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#1307649
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<em>The Mandalorian</em> - Season One - * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

Broom Kid said:

I think it’s off the table primarily because if they ever actually wanted it to be on the table they’d have made an exception to it’s being de-canonized like they did for Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir.

Not sure I understand what you mean, I didn’t think Son of Dathomir was ever not canon.

theprequelsrule said:

DominicCobb said:

theprequelsrule said:

DominicCobb said:

Considering they seem to have been careful not to retell any stories from the EU (besides when it’s something mentioned in the films, like RO and Solo, where things are done completely differently from the EU), it’s hard to imagine them doing an adaptation of an EU story. But never say never I guess.

Give it time. Think about it; you have a very popular story arc and character - so you have a built in audience for it. You have many fans, including myself, who want to see our OT heroes in their prime again. There are many scenes from those books that I would love to see in live-action (Luke’s fight with the Noghri for instance).

As I said years ago in an earlier thread, a mini-series of a dozen episodes or so would better suit The Thrawn Trilogy then trying to compress it all into 3 films.

We’ll see. I don’t think it’s an impossibility. Certainly something like the Thrawn trilogy must seem tempting, considering the character is now canon. But do they adapt it as close as they can, considering current canon circumstances? Or do they just do a very vague ‘OT heroes vs Thrown’ sort of thing?

For me, I’m kinda with Broom Kid. Not that big a fan of Zahn’s take on the franchise, so I’d hope if they did tackle it, they’d change some things.

What aspects of Zahn’s take do you dislike? What aspects, if any, do you like?

Well, I should clarify I’ve only read HTTE. It was more a matter of perspective/genre than of specific aspects, Zahn treated the series like military sci-fi, which just felt very wrong to me and made it hard to get into the story. I’m not a big fan of Thrawn as a character, but what can you do, he’s in the canon now either way. The ysalamiri were pretty dumb too, just as bad as midichlorians honestly.

What about Thrawn bothered you? I understand your reservations about the ysalamiri; an idea a little to “sciency” for SW (felt like something out of Star Trek instead). However; the payoff was great.

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#1307640
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Worst Ideas in Star Wars/Good Ideas that went Horribly Wrong
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DominicCobb said:

like too how the EU novel Labyrinth of Evil sets up that Anakin has basically been, unbeknownst to Obi-wan, slowly but surely tapping into the power of the dark side as a means to help win the Clone Wars. What if Anakin’s whole goal was to end the war, and really kinda thought he was a good man, trying to bring peace to the galaxy (words that ring hollow in ROTS as is), which is why he agreed to quickly wipe out the Jedi so that they wouldn’t quickly fall into another war? It’s funny because you can see that’s sort of Lucas’s intent but it ends up as subtext, at best.

We are never shown the implied addictive character of the Darkside are we? You start to use it because you feel you need the power, but in the end it masters you. There is an implication that it is a malevolent force that twists it’s users to pure evil even if they had noble goals. Palpatine is the end result of the process; power for power’s sake.

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#1307637
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<em>The Mandalorian</em> - Season One - * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

theprequelsrule said:

DominicCobb said:

Considering they seem to have been careful not to retell any stories from the EU (besides when it’s something mentioned in the films, like RO and Solo, where things are done completely differently from the EU), it’s hard to imagine them doing an adaptation of an EU story. But never say never I guess.

Give it time. Think about it; you have a very popular story arc and character - so you have a built in audience for it. You have many fans, including myself, who want to see our OT heroes in their prime again. There are many scenes from those books that I would love to see in live-action (Luke’s fight with the Noghri for instance).

As I said years ago in an earlier thread, a mini-series of a dozen episodes or so would better suit The Thrawn Trilogy then trying to compress it all into 3 films.

We’ll see. I don’t think it’s an impossibility. Certainly something like the Thrawn trilogy must seem tempting, considering the character is now canon. But do they adapt it as close as they can, considering current canon circumstances? Or do they just do a very vague ‘OT heroes vs Thrown’ sort of thing?

For me, I’m kinda with Broom Kid. Not that big a fan of Zahn’s take on the franchise, so I’d hope if they did tackle it, they’d change some things.

What aspects of Zahn’s take do you dislike? What aspects, if any, do you like?