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#1410933
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George Lucas: Unreliable Narrator & Time Travelling Revisionist...
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G&G-Fan said:

Luke may be the protagonist of the original trilogy alone, but the whole overarching (pre-Disney) saga is about the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin.

I just threw up in my mouth. The OT and PT do not match up well at all. Nor does the OT and the ST. The OT was designed around Luke and it was later Lucas nonsense that tried to tie it into the PT and make the 6 films about Vader.

If the PT was going to be about anyone, it should have been about Obi-wan and his failure to train Anakin/Vader properly.

I honestly have no clue as to what the ST is about, thanks to it having no over-arching vision or purpose.

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#1410929
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What do you like about the EU Pre-Disney?
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JadedSkywalker said:

The 1990s pre prequel era is the era i remember the most fondly. Reading the books and comics, playing Super Star Wars games, watching the video cassette tapes in my VCR.

I’m right there with you Jaded. TPM sort of marked the end of an era. Or perhaps it would be better said that it was the first nail in the coffin for Old Star Wars.

But what I liked most? That one is easy: Jedi could have children and families.

I always envisioned the Jedi as more Knights rather than Monks. Kind of like these guys: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_Knight

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#1410812
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Implied starting date of the Empire from OT dialogue
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Resurrecting this thread!

So pre-1978:

  1. Do we have an idea of when the Clone Wars took place, how many there were, who were the parties involved?

  2. Who are The Sith?

  3. Who is Darth Vader? What role does he have in The Empire?

I will speculate a little.

First, it seems that the Clone Wars were intended to happen before The Empire was formed and that Obi-Wan is really, really old. In the novelization of Star Wars Luke is astonished that Obi-wan fought in them (“But that was so long ago!”). So Obi is actually older than he looks. He looks say 65, but maybe is like 85.

Luke’s (unnamed) father was probably a peer of Vaders. Both Vader and Daddy Skywalker were maybe half of Obi-wans age.

There is no notion that Obi-wan was responsible for Vader’s fall.

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#1410789
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Random Thoughts
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oojason said:

theprequelsrule said:

RicOlie_2 said:

It’s very sad. This place isn’t what it used to be.

I was bored and went into some old threads. I found that this site seems to be in its third stage. Around the years 2008-2009 or so you had some original members (from 2003) complaining about how all the “old members” were gone and the place wasn’t the same. Many of them (Darthchaltab etc.) stopped posting around then, or a few years later (psychodavy). End of OT.com The Early Years.

Then TVs Frink and Duracell (among others) came along and the site (or at least the Off Topic and Film areas) was/were rejuvenated. OT.com The Next Generation

Then 10/18 happened - a whole bunch of active members got banned and other active members left in response.

Just for clarity; for anyone unfamiliar with situation at that time, and now reading this…

a ‘whole bunch of active members got banned’? It was 3 members who were banned… Collipso (who’d been here around a year), Possessed, and TV’s Frink - Detention Block AA-23 : The OT.com’s Banned Members.

10/18 didn’t just ‘happen’ - if I recall… it was a ‘final straw’ type-situation in a lengthy & ongoing state of affairs for at least one, maybe two, of the members above.
 

Then 12/20 happened - more active members (chainsawash etc.) got banned. End of The Next Generation (?)

Now I’m humming the ST:TNG theme in my head 👍

2 members were banned - Chainsaw and dahmage both announced their leaving of the site before they were banned (with continuing attacks on members / site / site staff in their ‘leaving’ posts; resulting in their bans afterwards).

Like ‘10/18’, that didn’t just ‘happen’ either.
 

The same with Duracell sometime afterwards.
 

It seems we are in the third stage of OT.com. So far it is a lot less fun.

If you feel this way then why not contribute to help make this section of the site more fun?

As others on here have said previously… many sites and forums that also now have a Discord have seen participation reduce in their Off Topic, General Discussion or The Boozer sections. The upshot seems to be the same here - the OT Discord seems to be doing well with a number of members actively participating / shooting the breeze on there - more so on there than here in The Cantina.

Maybe that’ll change again over time…
 

I am aware of the circumstances regarding the bans. The point is that there was a ripple effect when they happened because those members drove a lot of the discussions around here and drew others into participating.

Is discord, at least here on OT.com, mostly text chats? I prefer it to vid or voice. I kind of like to have an image of what members are like, without really knowing what they look and sound like. Does that make me a weirdo? 😃

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#1410587
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Random Thoughts
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RicOlie_2 said:

Yeah, that’s pretty accurate. The Star Wars sections of this site are still pretty active, but Off Topic has yet to revive. Maybe one day… But that doesn’t mean it’ll be as fun as it used to be. No moderation meant things got pretty delightfully ridiculous at times and there was a repertoire of inside jokes/forum memes that will be lost to time.

I’m not sure if those sections really are that active. There was a time when a new topic would get many responses in a day. Now you might go days without any replies.

To be expected I guess. Star Wars is mostly played out I think.

There is a Woke mentality that had crept into this place too. Tends to stifle any real debate, since real debate might cause offense. And to the Woke mentality being offensive means being hateful, which is being harmfull…and I am going to stop there before random thoughts goes the way of the politics thread.

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#1410583
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Prediction for Star Wars X, XI, and XII
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NeverarGreat said:

Star Wars has always been political.

And if fighting against fascism offends the political sensibilities of some viewers, then they should be offended.

Zombie84 wrote the Secret History of Star Wars; the best source for what these films are all about. Comic books and Lensmen are the main inspiration. Any politics are tangential to the action. And any Heroes Journey stuff is window dressing at best. And the fight against some sort of tyranny is an old trope, just to give all the fun action some sort of rough framework.

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#1410562
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Prediction for Star Wars X, XI, and XII
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SparkySywer said:

Episode 9 should have addressed how to build a new society, not just a New New Republic, and how it would avoid the flaws of the Republic that led to the Empire and the First Order. But that’s a little bit off topic. What matters is that what comes next for the galaxy after Episode 9 - it should put an end to this particular conflict. They should have thought about how to prevent another fascist from taking power where their parents did not. Especially because the Last Jedi did address these issues, so it’s not like it’s an idea completely removed from the sequel trilogy.

I don’t want Star Wars to address anything political. It is a Space Opera where people have laser swords. It is escapist fantasy. The Prequels tried to have “ideas”, and these were just unwelcome and out of place in a popcorn blockbuster.

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#1410544
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Random Thoughts
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RicOlie_2 said:

It’s very sad. This place isn’t what it used to be.

I was bored and went into some old threads. I found that this site seems to be in its third stage. Around the years 2008-2009 or so you had some original members (from 2003) complaining about how all the “old members” were gone and the place wasn’t the same. Many of them (Darthchaltab etc.) stopped posting around then, or a few years later (psychodavy). End of OT.com The Early Years.

Then TVs Frink and Duracell (among others) came along and the site (or at least the Off Topic and Film areas) was/were rejuvenated. OT.com The Next Generation

Then 10/18 happened - a whole bunch of active members got banned and other active members left in response. Then 12/20 happened - more active members (chainsawash etc.) got banned. End of The Next Generation (?)

It seems we are in the third stage of OT.com. So far it is a lot less fun.

Anywho, maybe remove the quote from Star Wars under The Cantina section of the site. This place does not get a little rough anymore.

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#1410543
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Unpopular Opinion Thread
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daveinthecave said:

Servii said:

Rogue One was probably better before the reshoots. The reshot ending was most likely conceived based on “rule of cool” and doesn’t really line up with ANH. I suspect the original ending was more consistent and thought out, only being changed at the last minute to make it “punchier.”

I’ll never understand why people think the ending is such a great segue into ANH. Like Leia is going to pretend that she’s on a mercy mission after fleeing from this intense battle? And then Vader, who seems intesnely focused during the climax of RO, just casually walks onto Tantive IV like he’s on a routine inspection.

Vader’s casual, unworried entrance is really well done. I just realized this now after watching these films hundreds of times.

The Opening Crawl of Star Wars always implied to me that that the Rebels had ambushed an Imperial Fleet and captured some of the vessels. While going through the databanks of one of the ships they found the Death Star plans.

Now Leia’s lie that she is on a “diplomatic mission” would be nonsensical if she and the Tantive were at the actual battle itself. The plans must have been transferred to her later on - perhaps on Coruscant, were she is a sitting member of The Senate. She then makes some excuse to go on a “mercy mission” to some planet in need of “foreign aid” (Tatooine). Imperial Security gets wind of this and The Emperor entrusts his most capable “agent” with the task of securing the data tapes.

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#1410537
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Ultimate Star Wars Saga: Tribute to DuracellEnergizer
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Early History of the Galaxy:

25500 BBY:

With the invention of Hyperdrive Xim the Despot is able to expand his Slave Empire across the entire Core Worlds. He ruled from Cinnagar in the Deep Core.

A rebellion led by dissident groups in the main Human worlds of Correlia and Coruscant (and others) results in the destruction of Xims Empire.

Despite the destruction of Xims Empire, conflicts between various groups would continue to occur during expansion into the area of space that would become known as The Colonies.

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#1410407
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Can we get some love for Yub Nub?
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screams in the void said:

I prefer Yub Nub for a variety of reasons …it gives me the spine tingles that the special edition onwards do not . Part of that is the discordant sadness that underlies the music right after Luke sees the force ghosts and then it crescendos into a spirit uplifting chorus at the end and makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up .It also seems more " present " within the scene , as the rhythms match the movements of the characters on screen ( I don’t see the victory celebration music being conducive to dancing ) and the Ewoks using the stormtrooper helmets as drums works better as well . Sure , nostalgia is part of it , but only a very small part for me .

This.

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#1410397
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Ultimate Star Wars Saga: Tribute to DuracellEnergizer
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Another Galaxy…another time.

30,000 Years BBY (BB=Before the Battle of Yavin):

The hyperdrive is invented. This technology allows starships to “jump” into another dimension in which travel time between stars is drastically reduced. This allows a truly Galactic Civilization to begin to form.

*Prior to this Warp Drives did allow practical interstellar travel, but only within local star clusters. Maximum speeds achievable with Warp Drive would allow a starship to cross the galaxy in 200 years.

*Warp Drive is needed to explain how, in ESB, the Millennium Falcon can get from one star system to another in a short period of time (was it weeks or months in the film?) without a functioning Hyperdrive.

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#1410377
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<strong>Return Of The Jedi</strong> - a general <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> thread
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Hal 9000 said:

I think Obi-Wan believed Anakin was (literally, biologically) dead when he dropped off Luke, and that Owen would have also. And that it wasn’t until later that he learned Vader survived. It explains why they thought taking Luke there was a sane idea and more comfortably fits in with what we hear from Owen and Beru in ANH.

The most reasonable thing to assume would be that Owen and Obi were lying to Luke: Tatooine was not the birthplace of Anakin (or his wife). Obi and Owen fled there with the infant Luke (the furthest place from “the bright centre of the universe”) to be in hiding.

Of course the PT screws all that up.