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#564967
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Was George Lucas a trickster the whole time?
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I disagree with the OP. But...

George Lucas thought that Star Wars was just going to be another movie in a long line of films he would make. Like he has said before, he hoped it would make enough money so he could make his next movie. He never thought it would be his legacy, and probably never wanted it to be. So on some level he must resent Star Wars at least a little.

The success of Star Wars also set him on a path that contributed to the dissolution of his marriage and the loss of a huge part of his fortune. 

I think at one point he really wanted to make the prequels - you know, the one's about Obi wan Kenobi's hubris resulting in the seduction of Anakin Skywalker to the darkside and the eventual fall of the Republic. It's too bad those movies never got make

I think by the time the 90s rolled around he was lukewarm on the idea of prequels. It had been a longtime after all. What got him excited again for them again was, unfortunately, the special effects revolution exemplified in Jurassic Park. Coupled with the success of Heir to the Empire and it's sequels, George must have released that Star Wars was still a goldmine that was not being tapped and could help rebuild his fortune. "And why shouldn't it?", George must have thought. "I made people really happy with these films. Don't I have a right to profit from them?" So ultimately the entire prequel trilogy does not work because:

  1. It tells the wrong story
  2. overemphasis on CG special effects
  3. they were made for the sake of making money first and foremost

 

 

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#564965
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Does anyone here still like Star Wars?
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Actually, the OP made me stop and think. I certainly don't love it the way I used to. And l'm definitely with georgec in hating the franchise and refusing to spend another dime on it. I've come to the point where I really don't care anymore - I have my cruddy GOUT versions (which I watch more and more infrequently) and I guess I'll just live with them. It's too bad that a culturally important piece of art has been destroyed and suppressed, but whatever. They are only movies.

I guess I'm at the point where it is more enjoyable to rip into the garbage than to praise the gold - not a good spot to be in.

Sorry guys, GL has just worn me down.

I think I'll go over to the bioware forums now and bitch about how they ruined the Dragon Age series with Dragon Age 2. At least it took 22 years to destroy Star Wars...

 

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#564480
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3D STAR WARS for the masses...has ARRIVED!
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Darth Bizarro said:

Almost as bad as the transfer were the fans in attendance...the guy who was shouting, clapping, and cheering over enthusiastically at everything from Jar Jar, to "yippee!", to "are you and angel?" (that kids a pimp he said) and basically every shot Darth Maul was in.  Seriously, the guy started shouting "fuck yeah" and "fuck him up" during the final duel while there were CHILDREN present.

Sorry DB, I just got m'self a little excited is all!

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#559641
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Praise a "bad" movie
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Anchorhead said:

FanFiltration said:

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier 

I don't dislike the film, far from it.  However, I recognize the poor production.  I read a book about the production from start to release.  With Paramount continually cutting the budget even after green-lighting the project and the writers' guild strike at the time, it's a wonder it came out at all.

That said;  My positive take on it is that the story of the film - someone high-jacks a star ship so they can go see God - is an awesome idea for a science fiction film.  Too bad things worked against its being handled as well as it could have been.

+1

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#558125
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PROMETHEUS was (Alien 0?) NOW NO LONGER SPOILER FREE.
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I like the "music" in the trailer - very reminiscent (almost identical actually) of that used in the original trailer for Alien.

I will assume the movie sucks, as I do with all movies now. I'm especially unenthusiastic about an apparent scene where people are running from what appears to be The Derelict crashing onto the planet. Got to get those teenagers in the seats I guess.

 

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#555335
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The thread where we make enemies out of friends, aka the abortion debate thread
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DuracellEnergizer said:

 


I'm not happy being a misanthrope, a pessimist, or - I'm sad to say - a nihilist. But that's the way the dice rolled, and short of some higher power showing up to prove me wrong, there's nothing that can be done to change how I feel.

 

Nihilism is the beginning of wisdom. But don't remain there.

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#555295
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The thread where we make enemies out of friends, aka the abortion debate thread
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Mrebo said:

There is no denying the general right of a person to exercise autonomy over their body. But like all rights - it is not absolute.

Actually, I think it is absolute. Hence my pro-choice stance. Again, I'm not saying it is a pleasant event. But my own values are not typical of many people.

Look, it is an emotional issue, but the fact of the matter is that we value the lives of children because of sentimental and not logical reasons. What is more tragic, when an intelligent adult, whom his parents and society have invested incredible amounts of time and money in dies or when an unborn and unwanted child dies? Well, it depends on how you value human life. All of us value human life, but I guess I differ in how I determine that value.

I guess when it comes down to it, I don't believe that life holds intrinsic value, so a child basically has no value other than the happiness it brings to it's parents. So if they are not going to be happy, and the child is going to be miserable as a result, maybe an abortion is the right decision.

I'll stop there and see if anyone wants further elaboration on my point. It looks like I won't be making many friends around here anymore.

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#555008
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The thread where we make enemies out of friends, aka the abortion debate thread
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There is only one question that should be asked when it comes to abortion: should a woman have the final say over the fate of something inside her?

I feel that the opposition to abortion, from the ancient world to today, is based on keeping women under control of men. And I am a semi-misogynistic male myself, so I don't usually take the Feminist perspective. I think if you agree with modern Western values, then you must automatically grant women the right to decide if the child they carry lives or dies.

I'm not saying we should throw a party when an abortion is performed or anything.

It is one of those funny issues right? Liberals and conservatives are often on the side of the issue opposite to what you would expect. Conservatives should want the decision to remain with the family, while liberals would be more likely for the government to interfere to "protect" the child.

 

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#553426
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bkev Recommends...
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bkev said:

"You wanna play games, I'll play your fucking games."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/57/The_Deer_Hunter_poster.jpg/220px-The_Deer_Hunter_poster.jpg

The Deer Hunter (1978)

I watched this about a month ago and loved the hell out of it.  Keep in mind, that another one of my favorite movies is Apocalypse Now - and both of these movies deal with Vietnam.  However, what makes Deer Hunter unique is it deals a lot more with the difficulties of going back home after war.

The contrast between the serenity and peace provided by a routine shared with family and friends versus the harsh reality of war is explored through the three characters of Michael, Steven and Nick - and how each of them is damaged by the war.  To explain how would be to give away the emotional impact the movie has.

Any criticisms? Well, it drags in the beginning.  I understand the usefulness of showing how great their life was before the war, but a lot of the scenes - especially the wedding - tend to slow the pace.  I'm curious to see how the official shorter cut fares, but I doubt we'll ever see it. 

Not necessarily a plus or a minus, but I think the cinematography has aged a little more than that of Apocalypse Now.  I would be able to identify it as being from the 1970's right away, whereas Apocalypse Now is shot in a way that leaves it looking modern still today. Your taste will vary, but for me that didn't hinder my enjoyment.

Starring Robert de Niro, Christopher Walken, John Savage and Meryl Streep (whom purportedly wrote a fair share of her dialogue at the behest of the director.)

A fair assessment of the film. It's weird seeing Christopher Walken before he was a parody of himself isn't it?

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#553362
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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CatBus said:

doubleofive said:

Strangest day of class ever.

Context is everything.  I had that exact lecture but it came off really well in my heathen class, there was cheering and goat blood smoothies and everything.  Maybe the professor recycles material from previous teaching positions?

Lol.

Great name by the way Catbus. MNT always makes me cry. Such a wonderful film.

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#553337
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Was Tarkin the main villain in Star Wars?
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A lot of fun speculation in this thread. There have been so many changes as the SW canon has expanded in terms of Vader's position. Remember, it is entirely possible that Vader was originally intended as one of many Sith Lords in service to the Empire. As late as the 90s Lucas was okay with the idea of the Emperor having other darkside users in his service

But when watching SW77, it is clear that both Tarkin and Vader are given relatively equal weight as the main antagonists. Their exact place within the Empire is interesting. Vader's power seems to be very much in the vein of how Mara Jade is later depicted by Zahn; a special envoy of the Emperor who has power and authority only at the behest of the Emperor. Tarkin has traditional authority via his position as a Governor, but is also a "Grand Moff" and had been granted (from the Emperor) widespread dictatorial power over a vast amount of territory in order to suppress dissidents. Tarkin is very similar to certain figures in Roman history in this respect.

 

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#553067
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Last movie seen
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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

captainsolo said:

I think there are really only three Dracula films ever worth mentioning: the '31 Lugosi film, Nosferatu, and Horror of Dracula.

To that list I would add Vampyr (1932), Nosferatu the Vampyre (1979), and Shadow of the Vampire (2000). And maybe Dracula (1979) - the one with Frank Langella, just for the creepy scene in the sewer.

Langella's performance is quite interesting - very different than any other. He is just so damn charming and cheerful.

The best version of Dracula is the 1977 BBC miniseries. The Lugosi film has become iconic but I have always found it quite terrible. Unfortunately Lugosi's ridiculous performance became associated with the character.

Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992) was pretty good, although not great (Keanu Reeves as Harker? WTF?). It was very, very sexy. Winona Rider and Monica Bellucci kissing other girls!

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#552664
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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Davnes007 said:

theprequelsrule said:

Overall, it seems that Star Wars sucks. Being a fan, I think that is the worse thing about the last 15 years. For a good long time most of the products were pretty damn good (OOT, original Kenner toys, Zahn Trilogy, the X-wing and TIE Fighter video games). Then, sometime in the late 90s, things went to shit and I would say 9 out of every 10 Star Wars products is absolute garbage.

That's not exactly "random".

It's more like "the kind of thing you say often".

Lol. I suppose that's true.