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A few more early images, some are softer looking than the final result:
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Test video of Luke, Uncle Owen, Aunt Beru,
(Color flickers on the walls):
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k5bS4iaAvdmhjS4UpeE
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More early images from Reel 3 Kodak 1:
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reel 3:
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Here is an early preview of the Fuji Reel 1:
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k5aPIAyqJz6Tu14Up2D
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More shots. If you follow the links, you will see when these were posted.
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More shots from Reel 1:
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More Sample Shots:
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Here is a clip of the probe droids in realtime:
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http://www.veoh.com/watch/v63729969NRbtfKDy
Vimeo was not working correctly.
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Sample Shots:
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The Crawl taken from Print 1:
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Here's shots of the edits being done in ESB.
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Shots of the film and reels:
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Videos:
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Here is a comparison of one of our newer Fujicolor ESB prints vs Original Kodak stock we had for the very first print.
Fujicolor is on the top, Kodak on the bottom.
This is a slowed down version of the actual footage, so you can see the difference. We'll post a realtime clip later.
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https://vimeo.com/79242755
Frames:
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Adywan cleanup:
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ESB color correction:
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Sample errors to fix:
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Frames, and the actual reels of Print 1:
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The Crawl:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-GOUT-crawl/post/568407/#TopicPost568407
ESB cropping:
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ESB Burn marks reel 1
and 2:
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ESB Burn marks reel 3,
4 and 5:
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Sample color frames from:
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Han and Leia:
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Various shots:
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35mm vs 70mm:
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Emporer hologram:
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Wampa:
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More frames from Star Wars:
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The opening:
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The crawl:
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C3PO and R2D2:
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Rebels:
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Uncorrected:
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More rebels:
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The empire:
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The original capture equipment:
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Using filmguard:
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More shots of the equipment:
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Size of Frames:
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Early attempt at color matching:
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The crawl:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-GOUT-crawl/post/565940/#TopicPost565940
More on the crawl:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-GOUT-crawl/post/583578/#TopicPost583578
Color correction on crawl:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-GOUT-crawl/post/583582/#TopicPost583582
Light saber:
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Rebels:
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Cropping the images:
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With Cropping areas:
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Flyover cropping:
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More cropping:
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Red reel cropping:
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Lukes farm:
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R2D2:
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Luke training:
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Ben and Luke:
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Han and Luke:
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Home Preview video links,
are in this thread, for a
bootleg screening:
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Parts:
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Cleaning up dirty frames:
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Red reel:
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We will be revisiting all the previous data released here shortly.
Including previous frames, and video links.
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Welcome to the official thread for the discussion of The Empire Strikes Back 1980 - 35mm Theatrical Version 1.0
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This is the collective project that is not officially part of OT, or Lucasfilm, 20th Century Fox, Disney, etc. but in the spirit of preservation, has been put together with the wish to relive the memory of the original 1980 Empire Strikes Back.
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We have made a lot of progress, but we have some more steps to take.
This is the place to keep on top on the when/where/how/who/and why of it.
A lot of information is sprinkled through the original discussion thread about - 35mm my crazy proposal. we’ll take just the details and emphasize them here.
If you want to discuss technical stuff, post it here.
This is just to keep people informed on the status and updates.
What is it? - A conversion/preservation of the 35mm version of The Empire Strikes Back from:
Kodak Print (6 reels)+1 Extra Reel 3
Kodak Print 2(6 Reels)
Fujicolor Print (6 Reels)
Who are we? - A group of individuals working on it, color restoration and technical advisory, support
Why? - Because we love the Star Wars Trilogy, and appreciate George Lucas.
When will it be out? - Its done when its done.
Where can we find out more? - Right here.
Technical details
Video - Our goal is to have a preserved version that will be released in a high definition 1080p anamorphic MKV that is full frame for people with projectors (25gigs), and bluray disc (25gigs), and a dual layer dvd (9gigs) as the final product.
There might be several other downsamples in avi/mp4 later on.</span></span>
Audio - we will have the 35mm English theatrical mix.
Thanks from our entire team!
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Brooks said:
Wow, color wise the difference is dramatic, much less fading in the fuji!
We will be posting a slightly color corrected version also. Actually, there's not that much of a difference when you color correct the original print properly, they match up nicely.
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poita said:
Joel said:
As a former post-production person, I am picturing a workflow after manually cleaning the film:
1) scanning
2) digital cleanup
3) color correction
4) audio sync
5) make a video masterIf I were the project manager, I'd have 12 people each take 10 minutes of one film, do digital cleanup (with predetermined rules from team -1) for a couple of weeks, then send it all back for final color correction. Is this not feasible? Too much chaos introduced?
That is assuming you have 12 people of equal experience, that can all do film restoration work, and that have the hardware capable of handling the job.
It is hard enough to find 2 people that have the time, software, experience and hardware :)
It also assumes that the 'master' person has over 100TB of HDDs to handle the scans, a backup copy of them and the works in progress.
I have no idea how many are on their team or what their skill level is or how much hardware and software they own, but it is a big job however you slice it.
Expectation levels are quite high too, so quality-creep might be playing its part.
A couple of weeks will clean a few seconds of film.
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Every person that's contributed comments, thoughts, and support is a part of the team.
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Here is a comparison of one of our newer Fujicolor ESB prints vs Original Kodak stock we had for the very first print.
Fujicolor is on the top, Kodak on the bottom.
This is a slowed down version of the actual footage, so you can see the difference. We'll post a realtime clip later.
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Harmy said:
Well, the top is definitely '77. The middle one is '81 and the bottom one is '97 (I didn't know you guys had a '97SE print. Would be interesting to see some of the '97SE specific shots).
We have a winner. That was very quick.
Good Job to Harmy.
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Here is a triple comparison of clips of the flyover. All are from 35mm film. Can you guess which ones are which for the sources? (Top, Middle, Bottom).
Some should be apparent to you by now.
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As an addendum to the previous post, there were a few additional frames
mentioned.
The orange items thread:
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Twin sunset:
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Leia Hologram:
Blue Object and Tear:
6 Glue Frames:
7 B FFET 23 Frames:
Burn Marks at the end of reels
for ESB:
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1 Reel 1:
2 Reel 3:
Burn Marks for Star Wars:
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1 Reel 1:
2 Reel 2:
3 Reel 3:
4 Reel 4:
5 Reel 5:
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Over the last few years, we have been posting various samples of the print, and different tests.
This post combines most of the links for reference.
For those that doubt we have the print, or what portions of it, you'll see that from the very first
frame of the intro, to the last frame of the credits.
We have sampled every reel, and put up video, sample frames, and audio of each one.
All are available in HD and sometimes higher resolutions.
These should serve as a future reference for those investigating this print and the
evolution of this project.
For ESB frames : Refer to the Star Wars Color Timing Thread, which
has many examples.
For ROTJ frames :
Posts related to the LPP and
other 35mm prints:
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Trailer:
https://vimeo.com/49889448
LPP
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Intro cleanup:
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End Credits Clean Up
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Sample frames from throughout the reels:
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Flyover:
Twin suns:
Mos Eisley Entrance:
Working up to Mos Eisley:
Battle Intro:
More C3PO and R2D2:
More shots of the rebels:
Rebels and C3PO and R2D2:
Princess Leia:
various:
GOUT vs LPP:
Leia and R2D2:
Mos Eisley Screenshots:
Twin Sunset:
Luke and C3PO:
Luke:
Derann vs LPP:
Canyon Scene:
Luke and C3PO:
Millenium Falcon leaving Mos Eisley:
Aboard Death Star:
Laserdisc vs LPP:
Canyon shots:
C3PO and R2D2:
Ben and Luke:
Chewbacca:
Various Leia, R2D2, Darth Vader:
Various:
Various from later reels:
Han and Luke:
Stormtroopers:
Ben:
Sample frames from the end credits:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Credits-Leaders-Thread/topic/12960/page/2/
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Credits-Leaders-Thread/post/565571/#TopicPost565571
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Credits-Leaders-Thread/post/593221/#TopicPost593221
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Credits-Leaders-Thread/post/594878/#TopicPost594878
35mm LPP Vimeo Videos, all passwords are : OT
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1 The intro cleanup comparison:
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https://vimeo.com/49157342
2 Here's the full cleaned up version:
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https://vimeo.com/49158310
Private Home Screening:
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3: Intro:
https://vimeo.com/49694211
4: https://vimeo.com/49776806
5: https://vimeo.com/49776807
6: https://vimeo.com/49776809
7: https://vimeo.com/49779491
8: https://vimeo.com/49779492
9: https://vimeo.com/49779493
Here is the near final version of the crawl cleaned up:
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https://vimeo.com/51411786
The full cleaned up version of the end credits:
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https://vimeo.com/49162218
These are examples taken from both the full 5 red
faded reels, and an extra reel 5 that was red faded.
Red Reels
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Tests:
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0 The very first test scene:
10 The first frames from the red reel:
Red Reels Vimeo Videos, all passwords are : OT
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0 The very FIRST footage of any of the frames, and scene from our RED english test partial reel.
the trash compactor scene in all its glorious untouched red, downsampled to 720p:
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https://vimeo.com/46590062
1 Another sample from the red test reel, where han, chewie, luke and leia split
up and confront the stormtroopers..
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https://vimeo.com/49177870
2 Close the blast doors!!! and ben kenobi meets vader!!!
Here's the raw red take, uncropped:
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https://vimeo.com/49179101
3 And the final part of the ben vs vader scene..in glorious - rednicolor, uncropped
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https://vimeo.com/49185527
4 and slightly cleaned up, and cropped:
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https://vimeo.com/49186757
5 And a combination of cropping,and joining the two ben and vader scenes:
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https://vimeo.com/49190666
6 Another look back, and some of the secondary tests on the red preview reel..
starting with the trash compacter scene, kind of dark, but with more contrast:
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https://vimeo.com/492320406
7 Here's the intial confrontation with the stormtroopers..
pay attention to the smoke particles, they don't look like this to me in any version i've seen:
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https://vimeo.com/49334787
8 And now for the daring swing over the chasm...
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https://vimeo.com/49428983
9 Here's ben sneaking around.. and a shot of the droids,
close the blast doors!:
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https://vimeo.com/49452806
10 Part 1/2 of the epic lightsaber battle between ben kenobi and darth vader..
with a lot of awesome lines in there, it's really blocky at the beginning for some
reason.. oh well.. the rest is ok:
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https://vimeo.com/49456604
11 The thrilling and sad conclusion of ben kenobi vs darth vader:
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https://vimeo.com/49511342
12 More test scenes:
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https://vimeo.com/46590220
13 Tests:
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https://vimeo.com/46980344
14 Test:
https://vimeo.com/46980372
15 Test:
https://vimeo.com/46981594
16 Test:
https://vimeo.com/46981616
17 Test:
https://vimeo.com/47413689
18 C3PO R2D2:
https://vimeo.com/47422030
19 Sharpening test:
https://vimeo.com/49190666
20 Reel 5 test:
https://vimeo.com/49232040
21 Sound test:
https://vimeo.com/49303294
22 Getting out of trash compactor:
https://vimeo.com/49303544
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The final section of rescan comparison.
The cleaning is both physically of the film before the scanning, and after, digitally as we've been showing.
The colors for C3PO, and Princess Leia look at lot more natural now.
*NOTE: Again a few artifacts and jitters are present after uploading that are not in the original.
We will be posting a synopsis soon.
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We choose to use streaming video for the privacy.
Here's the third part of the scene of the test rescans:
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Password : OT
Scene is lower resolution due to Vimeo limitations for account.
There's more dirt on these scenes, but they're still being cleaned.
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Deleted-Scenes-Reincorporated/topic/13512/
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Here is another clip showing the contrast between the two methods. The differences here might be more subtle in the corridor scenes.
You can see the difference in the skin tones, and outfits of the rebels.
The stormtroopers don't look as white either.
The new method is the top video.
NOTE : Again, there is still dirt, but not as much there, and no audio.
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We are planning to release the raw take version of the film at a later date, there might be a few different ones, depending on community interest.
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- Raw red captures from faded print.
- Slightly cleaned red captures.
- Raw LPP capture.
- Raw LPP capture with deleted scenes.
You can see previews of the raw versions from earlier posts in this thread, or related vimeo videos.
It all depends on how much time we have.
The rest of team has also made progress on ESB also,
so there might be a few things going on in parallel.
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