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RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread

Treadwell said:

I believe this shot is near a reel change, too, so end-of- or beginning-of-reel damage could account for the sound and picture glitches on this occasion.

No, this shot is the first shot in the film after the opening flyover sequence, I think you mistook it for the later transitional shot to Tatooine, I recall the audio was a little wonky around that point in the older releases. Might sound that way due to the frames that went missing there.

Last edited on June 24, 2012 at 3:27 PM by msycamore

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RE: Star Wars : anomaly at the top of optical shots

i've noticed that there are bright lines at the top

of the screen during some of the optical shots..

like the leia hologram and lightsaber shots..

this goes on for the duration of the whole scenes..

 

is that on any of the laserdisc/vhs releases?

 

here's one frame of the leia hologram:

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and here's one of lukes first use

of the light saber..

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Last edited on June 25, 2012 at 4:20 PM by negative1

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TServo2049's avatar
RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread

I think I already explained this, but here it is again: From the looks of it, the frame lines of the live-action footage and the optical passes were not identical, and the bright edges from one of the elements (possibly the positive matte pass, the one with a black matte on white) were burned into the composites.

On most optical-composite frames you've shown us, it's just a white outline. However, in some of the shots with backlit elements, it's a glow, suggesting light seepage from the backlight pass. Perhaps the black area of the Kodalith didn't go all the way to the frame edge, and the light spilled around the edges. Again, in the optical compositing this would have been "burned in" to the image along with the lightsaber blade or lightning or whatever. This happens in the lightsaber training, and when the Jawas knock out R2 with their electrical weapon.

Normally, this stuff around the edges would not be seen since it's right at the frame line. However, you can see the glowing edge garbage in the saber training scenes in the Japanese Special Collection transfer (since it seems to have the most vertical picture info, at least in some parts), and you can see a weird blue blob in the bottom left corner of one of the shots of R2 and the lightning in multiple versions, including the GOUT.

 

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RE: Star Wars : blue item and windshield tear

yeah, i remember seeing it before.. it's been awhile,

i forgot about it.. and haven't seen them lately..

here's our version of the blue object

and the windshield tear:

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there's a whole bunch of glue splice frames too..

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Treadwell's avatar
RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

msycamore said:

I think you mistook it for the later transitional shot to Tatooine

Yes, indeed I did.

negative1's avatar
RE: Star Wars : glue frames and ben glitch

here are some glue frames:

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and a glitch on the left side with ben:

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Last edited on June 29, 2012 at 4:46 AM by negative1

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msycamore's avatar
RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

None, you who are interested in unintended objects appearing on the transfers might find this funny or interesting:

What did those dirty fingers do on our Star Wars! we should track down this person. ;) The fingerprint appears on the Special Collection LD transfer.

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none's avatar
RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

^ "Look at the size of that thing!", "These film are getting worse all the time"... What happened to the promise, "Not a scratch"?

negative1's avatar
RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

here's the burn marks for star wars

reel 2:

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none's avatar
RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

Thanks, this is one of the weird ones, other cases they've kept them away from where the eye might be looking, this one's part of the action.

Harmy's avatar
RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

In all pre 2004 versions of this shot, the stormtrooper passing near the camera seems to have been affected by some composition error where something was scribbled over one of the composite elements. Check it out, there's clearly a sign saying something like B FFET 23 over his path:

Last edited on July 14, 2012 at 2:35 PM by Harmy

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negative1's avatar
RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

Harmy said:

In all pre 2004 versions of this shot, the stormtrooper passing near the camera seems to have been affected by some composition error where something was scribbled over one of the composite elements. Check it out, there's clearly a sign saying something like B FFET 23 over his path:

cool!

will have to keep an eye for that one.. if we have it.

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negative1's avatar
RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

star wars r3 - burn marks:

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yes, they are rather scratchy, we will be cleaning them up!

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none's avatar
RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

The Ben Burtt story mentioned earlier in the thread was as zombie84 suggested, just a workprint.  Ask Burtt about the story at Celebration VI, he was unfamiliar with the Tantive Orange Items from the description I provided.  Asked a few other people but no one was familiar.  Most of the people there were from other disciplines. (model makers get most of the attention)  Probably need to chat with one of the editors or later on LD/VHS production people.

negative1's avatar
RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

here's the reel change marks 

for reel 5... (hmm, did i skip reel 4?)

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later

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Last edited on September 3, 2012 at 1:42 PM by negative1

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negative1's avatar
RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

ok, going back to reel 4 (this is all):

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RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

Negative1, your posts are the best Star Wars stuff I find on the net since a long time ! Thanks a lot for that ! ;-)

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RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

Fantomas said:

Negative1, your posts are the best Star Wars stuff I find on the net since a long time ! Thanks a lot for that ! ;-)

thanks,

i fixed the aspect ratios on reel 5 change marks..

you should check out all the pictures posted by 'none'....

and by myscamore..

i only put up a very small amount..

 

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negative1's avatar
RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

Harmy said:

In all pre 2004 versions of this shot, the stormtrooper passing near the camera seems to have been affected by some composition error where something was scribbled over one of the composite elements. Check it out, there's clearly a sign saying something like B FFET 23 over his path:

here is our version..

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and all the frames around it:

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http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3006/swtrooperr605140.th.jpg

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7776/swtrooperr605141.th.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2157/swtrooperr605142.th.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2872/swtrooperr605143.th.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8959/swtrooperr605144.th.jpg

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7250/swtrooperr605145.th.jpg

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/2260/swtrooperr605146.th.jpg

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/7586/swtrooperr605147.th.jpg

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1426/swtrooperr605148.th.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9418/swtrooperr605149.th.jpg

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5618/swtrooperr605150.th.jpg

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/7468/swtrooperr605151.th.jpg

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2690/swtrooperr605152.th.jpg

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/1604/swtrooperr605153.th.jpg

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8261/swtrooperr605154.th.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/723/swtrooperr605155.th.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2527/swtrooperr605156.th.jpg

 

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none's avatar
RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

Thanks to ,,,^..^,,, who provided Tantive Orange Item captures of the LaserDisc Coffret Trilogie : Edition Collector from 1994.  Their quality (one hard edge the other more faded) is similar to the 1993 Technidisc msycamore captured.

http://fd.noneinc.com/Glitch/starwars-tantiveorangeerrors/starwars-tantiveorangeerrors.html

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RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

Here are some additions to this thread which I'm not sure if they have been mentioned anywhere before:

(From the GOUT)

61089 - some line in the middle of the frame:

87521-87522 - orange lines:

124395 - strange line on the bottom left:

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RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

none said:

Thanks to ,,,^..^,,, who provided Tantive Orange Item captures of the LaserDisc Coffret Trilogie : Edition Collector from 1994.  Their quality (one hard edge the other more faded) is similar to the 1993 Technidisc msycamore captured.

http://fd.noneinc.com/Glitch/starwars-tantiveorangeerrors/starwars-tantiveorangeerrors.html

Interesting, he told me there were no orange marks on that version. That source also has the "cloudless" Yavin X-wings composite.

If it's the same transfer as the German "Silver Screen" letterboxed LD, it cuts to a different (and considerably inferior) print during the Greedo scene, presumably because the main source had the burned-in English subtitles.

The Greedo scene looked fine on the Technidisc, but I don't know if it was dropped in from the JSC/SWE transfer, or if they had found the same source used for the GOUT by then. (The German letterbox transfer was done in 1989, I believe. Replacing the German crawl and credits with the French ones would have just been a matter of video editing - and I'm betting that the master film source had them in English anyways.)

Last edited on December 2, 2012 at 5:59 PM by TServo2049
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RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

msycamore said:

Just so people get what damage me and TServo were talking about:

it appears throughout at least one reel, and looks like some kind of damage caused by liquid. The above images are taken from the Special Collection (X9-transfer).

Someone made a transfer of the Special Collection Laserdisc using the X9 player?

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RE: Star Wars : 'Tantive's Orange Items' Thread & other unintended objects

Knightmessenger said:

Someone made a transfer of the Special Collection Laserdisc using the X9 player?

Yes, Grinder, Arnie.d and Darth_Mallwalker made this possible: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-X9-Project/topic/10685/

Also, check out Arnie.d's excellent "V8-DVD" of ANH - JSC and the fantastic work of althor1138: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Japanese-Special-Collection-Trilogy-Laserdisc-Preservation/topic/15283/

Last edited on June 10, 2013 at 11:08 PM by msycamore

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