Darth Mallwalker said:
144053 ;-)
@Yoo_Too: you were right, that scene is out of alignment... (XX/) hope it will be the only one!
Thanks, now I must release OUT 2.1 soon... (^^,)
Now the correct AVCHD .torrent is available on myspleen.
WARNING! to everyone who's downloading OUT 2.0:
I have uploaded the BD version instead AVCHD... so, if you will try to burn it onto a DVD9, IT WON'T FIT!!!
Solutions:
when downloaded, demux the 00000.m2ts file with TSMuxeR and remux the resulting tracks without two audio soundtracks, to fit a DVD9
or
burn it on a BD-R
Sorry, it was the rush to release it before Easter...
You_Too said:
Yeah, SET looks good too, but OUT is less cropped. They were from different sources, right?
Yes, I know SET is like a "zoomed" version of OUT...
Anyway, comparing those shots I can see why I think there is some misalignment in OUT. And I think it's horizontal.
Check this upscaled closeup of one of those "poles" in the background, SET on left and OUT on right:
See how the contours are sharp in SET and are like "doubled" and blurry in OUT?
Maybe you are right, I must check the alignment of this scene.
Or maybe is due to the higher resolution/quality of the original SET?
And this is not criticizm by the way, I'm only trying to help!
Your help is very welcome! An experienced user could notice things (like this) that a novice like me could not.
You_Too said:
Looks pretty good for a Laserdisc project!
Thank you very much! We are on the same wavelenght... (^^',)
I think "How long have you had these droids?" looks a bit watercolor-ish though. Maybe that scene didn't align perfectly between the sources?
I carefully checked all the alignment of the whole movie for the four laserdisc captures, at least three times, so I'm quite sure the alignment is right... those scene colors are the same also in the original, single laserdisc captures, so it could be a master problem - it looks similar also in SET
vs OUT:
yes, I know SET is still pinkish in comparison with OUT, but seen alone it doesn't seem so bad!
Of course! Here you are some random screenshots - click on the picture to open the frame in a new window at original resolution.
frame 004470:
frame 008845:
frame 052880:
frame 061505:
frame 082839:
frame 100864:
frame 115746:
frame 168450:
If there is need to see specific frames, just ask the frame number (frame 689 = STAR WARS)
Just released SW:ANH [OUT ruLes 2.0] - take a look at its own new thread.
Please do not post here anymore, as this OUT 1.0 project is superseded now.
_,,,^..^,,,_ presents the [OUT ruLes] project
Original Unaltered Trilogy restored using Laserdisc editions
Project mission: restore the Original Unaltered Trilogy using audio and video from various Laserdisc editions.
Video sources: analog video captured directly from Laserdiscs; other analog sources are admitted (VHS, CED, VHD, Beta etc.) only if the material is not present on the Laserdisc format.
Audio sources: analog audio and uncompressed PCM captured directly from Laserdiscs; other analog sources are admitted (like VHS, vynil etc.) only if the material is not present on the Laserdisc format.
Subtitles sources: literal subtitles for all languages.
Project prohibition: use DVD, BD, HDTV or other audio or video from any digital sources.
Episode IV - Star Wars: A New Hope [OUT ruLes 2.0] (improved version of OUT 1.0)
Source Material
Video: THX PAL laserdiscs
Audio: THX PAL laserdiscs
Subtitles: Project THREEPIO for english, AMANUENSES project for literal subtitles in italian, french, german and spanish - more languages may come in the future.
Captures and setup info
Hardware:
Software:
Settings:
Project Status: RELEASED
Captures: all done
After many tests, I decided to use only the Pioneer CLD-D925 as its video quality (resolution, noise, drop outs) is better than the others; the connection used is S-Video, as the laserdisc player comb filter is better than the capture card's.
Video treatment: all laserdisc video captures were time and space aligned, then with AviSynth median and average scripts were overlayed to eliminate some noise and put out unwanted video parts (as burned subtitles); little noise reduction and sharpen; NO COLOR CORRECTION at all! Upconversion from PAL 720x576 4:3 to 1280x720 16:9.
Video tracks:
Audio treatment: all digital and analog audio captured are converted from PCM 2.0 1441kbps 44KHz to Dolby Digital AC3 2.0 Dolby Surround encoded 384kbps 48KHz; 70mm and mono soundtracks are left untouched, apart some cuts to be in sync with the video.
AVCHD audio tracks:
BD audio tracks:
Subtitles: all done; english was taken from Project Threepio, the others were based on GOUT DVD subs and then corrected to be literal.
Subtitles tracks:
Conversion from 25p to 23.976p: done with TsMuxeR
Final formats:
Actually AVCHD and BD are both available on myspleen.
ATTENTION: to view the AVCHD version of SW:ANH [OUT ruLes 2.0] correctly, it should be burned onto a DVD9 or BD-R, and played on a stand-alone BD player or a Playstation 3! - To view the BD version of SW:ANH [SET ruLes 1.0] correctly, it should be burned onto a BD-R, and played on a stand-alone BD player or a Playstation 3!
Jobs to do for the next version:
To do later:
IMPROVEMENTS OVER Star Wars: A New Hope [OUT ruLes 1.0]:
CREDITS:
Self comments: I know there are many better quality projects around, but all are made using digital altered trilogies, "despecialized"... kudos to all the project maker, for their really good job and long hard work!
I'm not so good as they are, and also my spare time is limited; also, the overall video quality of my project is lower than all the HD projects; but there are some positive things: more image quality coherence (because the video sources are all the same); better colors than GOUT - despite the fact I made NO COLOR CORRECTION (and I'd like to leave it as is, to not lose further quality); better audio quality than GOUT; a certain video "analogness" - read: poor quality ;-)
I decided to start a new thread as I think there are many improvements, some deep, that set OUT 2.0 apart from its predecessor.
Here you could find an interesting comparison between the LD and DVD version; following that, I like most the LD colors and frame size, and the resolution is not that bad either.
Thanks marvins, now I'm going to release OUT 2.0 with Pyramid french soundtrack instead THX!
marvins said:
Yesterday, I checked the french audio of the OUT vs GOUT. The OUT audiotrack has absolutely no dynamic and the voices are too low.
I don't know if thats come from how you capture the audio or if thats so in the THX pressing, but there is someting wrong with this soundtrack.
I captured all the laserdisc soundtracks, including the french one, via the digital optical out of the laserdisc player to the optical in of my PC, bit-for-bit perfect; so maybe the volume onto the laserdisc french soundtrack was set too low, or the GOUT DVD has risen a bit - don't know about the dynamic issue...
But, at the end, [ruLes] means "restored using Laserdisc editions", so I will not use the GOUT soundtracks anyway... BUT I could use the pyramid soundtrack, if it's better than the THX LD I used!
ilovewaterslides said:
The master used for the Gold Edition and the Pyramid Edition is the same.
The only difference is that the Pyramid has a better pressing (less video noise and drops.)
Less video noise and drops?!? I can't imagine how low the quality of the Gold Edition would be, though...
The only advantage on the Gold and Pyramid Edition is the audio which is better than the THX audio.
Can you explain the differences? Are the differences subtle, or substantial? Should I use pyramid's soundtrack instead THX's for my OUT project?
marvins said:
I too have the pyramide LD box. For me it's the same as the first gold LD release that I scanned. Do you think it's different ?
Not 100%, but if about half of the scenes are pinkish, video quality is lacking, burn marks are present at scene change, and a lot of drop-outs, dirt and other annoying little obstrusive objects are floating around the screen for the whole movie, I think that they share the same master...
If you would like to accept my contribution, involving my OUT and SET projects, count me in!
...but I hate my voice, too... (°°x)
Someone need the "pyramid" LD french intro?!?
Quality is really low, stars are almost all disappeared, titles color is not yellow but orange (OO!)
...but if someone is still interested, here you are - untouched, only encoded with x264 at 2000kbps:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/j9xnje
(an uncompressed version is near 800MB - to me, it's useless, because of the very low quality of the source... neverthless, let me know if it is needed and I'll upload it)
spielt mit said:
There are 2 more new scenes in the 2004 SE I wrote the text for the subtitles for. But only plain text for now. In case someone want to use it
As SET has the same dialog lines for the two additional scenes (Jabba and Biggs) I will use it for it.
- I will check to get the Subtitle Editor running to check all subtitles so they fit for sure. I need to set the time codes for the missing entries.
Give also Subtitle Workshop a try.
- The subtitles are writen in a newer grammar which was not effective 1977. If you do not oppose I would like to keep the original grammar.
I agree 100% with you... this is the spirit of my Amanuenses project... I mean, when in 1977 the staff in charge for italian soundtrack decided to call R2-D2 as C1-P8, why we want to forget it? As this very soundtrack is present also on GOUT, why don't make literal subtitles following it? The same should be done, IMHO, for the other languages.
- Any other things to do?
I don't think so for now. But if you have the time and the spirit to do the same for TESB and ROTJ... (^^,)
In general it was strange how certain things were changed, while other kept the original dialog.
This seems not only because of ease of reading or space management.
The same happened with the italian soundtrack and, reading the french subs done by marvins, for the french sountrack too, and I could confirm that is the same for the spanish soundtrack, that I *attempted* to *try* to fix...
Thank you for motivating me to do this. Loved it! Had two times tears in my eyes as I did not see it for quite a long time...
Again, thank to YOU for the effort and the speed you have done this hard task!
,^…^, presents the [OUT ruLes IT] project
Original Unaltered Trilogy restored using Laserdisc editions - ITALIAN
Project mission: restore the Italian Original Unaltered Trilogy using video from various Laserdisc and VHS editions, and audio from the italian VHS.
Video sources: analog video captured directly from Laserdiscs; VHS sources are admitted as the italian material is not present on the Laserdisc format.
Audio sources: VHS HiFi stereo soundtrack for the italian soundtrack, uncompressed PCM captured directly from Laserdisc for the english soundtrack.*
Subtitles sources: handmade italian literal subtitles, Project Threepio for english subtitles.
Project prohibition: use DVD, BD, HDTV or other audio or video from any digital sources.
IV EPISODIO: UNA NUOVA SPERANZA
Source Material
Video: THX PAL laserdiscs
Audio: THX PAL laserdiscs
Subtitles:
Captures and setup info
Hardware:
Software:
Settings:
**Project Status: DONE
**
Captures: all done
Video treatment: all laserdisc video captures were time and space aligned, then with AviSynth median and average scripts were overlayed to eliminate some noise and put out unwanted video parts (as burned subtitles); VHS italian video is captured with no median or average; little noise reduction and sharpen; NO COLOR CORRECTION at all! Upconverting from PAL 720x576 4:3 to 1280x720 16:9.
Audio treatment: all digital and analog audio are Dolby Surround encoded, then converted to Dolby Digital 2.0 AC3 files.
Subtitles: all done
Conversion from 25p to 23.976p: done
Final formats: AVCHD 720p/23.976fps with italian and english soundtracks, italian and english subtitles, both forced and full.
It is available on myspleen.
SPECIAL THANKS TO:
NOTES
Leonardo contacted me, and asked if I could do an italian version of OUT; I was thinking about it long time ago, so I decided to do it, for him and for me, my family and my friends.
The video quality is the same of OUT 2.0 (that will be released soon), except the initial part, that is taken from VHS… I used the same denoise settings for both video parts, but maybe I must apply a more aggressive noise reduction for the VHS part!
I must admit I cheated a bit, because I used the 1997 S.E. italian crawl, but it was the only choice, as the OT italian crawl was totally different…
Could you forgive me?
The only other little thing that bothers me is the fact that the forced subtitles should be manually selected; I set hardcoded subtitles with avisynth, but for some strange reason, they were not there when previewed with virtual dub, and disappeared when I watched the final release… so, as more than two days was necessary for the conversion, I decided to leave them “as is”, sorry…
FreaQ, I solved the mystery...
Take a look at this post: "On my discs, Making of SW and SP FX were taken from Rikter's laserdisc captures and Star Wars to Jedi & Classic Creatures were taken from my own official VHS releases."
Here you are! I don't know if there are any other "From Star Wars to Jedi" version on other project than RowMan's, but his one is from VHS... so, it is explained why (apart the obvious green line that clearly is not part of the capture) the picture size is different; the video quality and the color resolution are lower and the details are worst...
Also, are there around other Classic Creatures preservations? EditDroid is taken from the same RowMan's material (VHS)? Or from a laserdisc? And, if from LD, is the last version used (the one with the digital soundtrack) or the old one?
Every day I discover something new (thanks to all of this forum members), and this project seems near its beginning... still, I need someone (or more than one) who would help me with the dialog transcription of the supplemental materials!
CatBus, thanks for your support!
I've started this project because there are other users who are interested in literal subtitles...
Is it a well known fact that Star Wars characters' names are sometimes changed in other languages dub, and italian is not different... I KNOW that they are wrong now, buy as I was grown up with those names, it's fun to hear them and read them in the literal subtitles... call it "nostalgia"! (^^,)
Let's see some differences between english and italian subtitles - which one is the literal, and which one is not? (only ONE character's name was changed, to not discover which one is literal)
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Did you hear that?
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Hai sentito?
Did you hear (that)?
Hai sentito quel rumore?
Did you hear that noise?
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They shut down the main reactor.
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Hanno colpito il reattore principale.
They hit the main reactor.
Hanno disattivato il reattore.
They turned off the reactor.
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We’ll be destroyed for sure.
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Saremo certamente distrutti.
We will certainly be destroyed.
Stiamo per essere annientati.
We are going to be destroyed.
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This is madness.
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Questa è pazzia!
This is madness!
Che follia.
What madness.
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We’re doomed.
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Siamo condannati.
We're condemned.
Siamo perduti.
We're lost.
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There’ll be no escape for the princess this time.
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Non c'è scampo questa volta per la principessa.
There is no escape this time for the princess.
Questa volta la principessa non avrà scampo.
This time the Princess will not escape.
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What’s that?
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Cos’è questo?
What is this?
Cos’è quel rumore?
What is that noise?
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R2-D2, where are you?
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RD-D2, dove sei?
RD-D2, where are you?
R2-D2, dove sei?
R2-D2, where are you?
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At last!
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Finalmente.
Finally.
Finalmente.
Finally.
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Where have you been?
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Dove sei stato?
Where have you been?
Dove sei stato?
Where have you been?
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They’re heading in this direction.
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Stanno venendo da questa parte.
They're coming this way.
Sono diretti da questa parte.
They're headed this way.
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What are we going to do?
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Che cosa facciamo?
What do we do?
Cosa possiamo fare?
What can we do?
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We’ll be sent to the spice mines of Kessel,
or smashed into who knows what!
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Ci manderanno alle miniere di Kessel o ci
schiacceranno riducendoci a chissà cosa.
We will be sent to the mines of Kessel or they
will crush and reduces us to who knows what.
Finiremo nelle miniere di Kessel
o riciclati chissà come.
We will end up in the mines of Kessel
or recycled somehow.
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Wait a minute.
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Aspetta un momento.
Wait a minute.
Aspetta.
Wait.
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Where are you going?
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Dove stai andando?
Where are you going?
Dove vai?
Where do you go?
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The Death Star plans are not in the main computer.
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I piani della Morte Nera non sono nel loro computer principale.
The Death Star plans are not in their main computer.
I piani della Morte Nera non sono nel computer principale.
The Death Star plans are not in the main computer.
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Where are those transmissions you intercepted?
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Dove sono quelle trasmissioni che avete intercettato?
Where are those transmissions you intercepted?
Dove sono quelle trasmissioni che avete intercettato?
Where are those transmissions you intercepted?
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– What have you done with those plans?
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– Che ne avete fatto di quei piani?
- What have you done with those plans?
– Che ne avete fatto di quei piani?
- What have you done with those plans?
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– We intercepted no transmissions.
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– Non abbiamo intercettato nessuna trasmissione.
- We intercepted no transmission.
– Non abbiamo intercettato alcuna trasmissione.
- We intercepted no transmissions.
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This is a consular ship.
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Questa è un'astronave consolare.
This is a consular spaceship.
Questa è una nave consolare.
This is a consular ship.
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We’re on a diplomatic mission.
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Siamo... siamo in missione diplomatica...
We ... we are on a diplomatic mission ...
La nostra missione è diplomatica.
Our mission is diplomatic.
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If this is a consular ship, where is the ambassador?
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Se questa è una nave consolare, dov'è l'ambasciatore?
If this is a consular ship, where is the ambassador?
Se questa è una nave consolare, dov'è l'ambasciatore?
If this is a consular ship, where is the ambassador?
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Commander, tear this ship apart
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Comandante, faccia a pezzi questa nave
Commander, tear this ship apart
Comandante, faccia a pezzi la nave
Commander, tear the ship apart
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until you’ve found those plans...
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finché non ha trovato quei piani!
until you have found those plans!
e trovi quei piani!
and find those plans!
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...and bring me the passengers!
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E mi porti i passeggeri!
And bring me the passengers!
E mi porti i passeggeri!
And bring me the passengers!
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I want them alive!
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Li voglio vivi!
I want them alive!
Li voglio vivi!
I want them alive!
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There’s one.
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Eccone una.
Here is one.
Eccone una.
Here is one.
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Set for stun.
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Preparatevi a stordirla.
Get ready to stun.
Dobbiamo stordirla.
We need to stun her.
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She’ll be all right.
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Rinverrà presto.
She'll wake up soon.
Se la caverà.
She'll be fine.
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Inform Lord Vader we have a prisoner.
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Informate Lord Fener che abbiamo una prigioniera.
Inform Lord Vader we have a (female) prisoner.
Informate Lord Fener che abbiamo un prigioniero.
Inform Lord Vader we have a (male) prisoner.
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Hey! You’re not permitted in there.
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Ehi, non puoi entrare là dentro.
Hey, you can not go in there.
Non puoi entrare lì dentro.
You can not go in there.
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It’s restricted.
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È zona riservata.
It's restricted area.
È vietato.
Is prohibited.
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You’ll be deactivated for sure.
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Ti disattiveranno, vedrai,
They will deactivate you, you'll see.
Ti disattiveranno di sicuro.
They will deactivate you for sure.
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Don’t you call me a mindless philosopher
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Non darmi del filosofo senza cervello,
Do not call me a mindless philosopher,
E non darmi del filosofo scemo,
And do not call me a fool philosopher,
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you overweight glob of grease!
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mucchio di grasso lubrificante.
pile of lubricating grease.
bioccolo di grasso che non sei altro.
flock of fat that you are nothing.
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Now come out before somebody sees you.
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Vieni via prima che ti vedano.
Come away before they see you.
Vieni fuori prima che ti vedano.
Come out before they see you.
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“Secret mission”? What plans?
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Missione segreta? Quali piani?
Secret mission? What plans?
Missione segreta? Quali piani?
Secret mission? What plans?
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What are you talking about? I’m not getting in there.
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Di che stai parlando? Io là non ci entro.
What are you talking about? I'm not going in there.
Di che stai parlando? Io lì dentro non ci vengo.
Of which are you talking about? I'm not going in there.
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I’m going to regret this.
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Me ne pentirò amaramente.
I will regret bitterly.
So che me ne pentirò.
I know that I will regret.
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– There goes another one.
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– Eccone un altro.
- Here's another one.
– Eccone un altro.
- Here's another one.
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– Hold your fire.
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– Non sparate.
- Do not shoot.
– Non sparate.
- Do not shoot.
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There’s no life forms.
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Non ci sono forme di vita.
There are forms of life.
Non ci sono forme di vita.
There are forms of life.
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It must have short-circuited.
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Avrà avuto un corto circuito
He must have had a short circuit
Dev’essere stato un corto circuito.
It must have been a short circuit.
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That’s funny. The damage doesn’t look as bad from out here.
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È buffo. Il danno non sembra tanto grave, da qui.
It's funny. The damage does not seems so serious, from here.
Che buffo. I danni non sembrano gravi, visti da qua fuori.
What funny. The damages do not seem serious, viewed from outside.
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Are you sure this thing is safe?
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Sei certo che quest'affare sia sicuro?
Are you sure that this thing is safe?
Sei sicuro che non sia pericoloso?
Are you sure it is not dangerous?
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Darth Vader.
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Darth Fener!
Darth Fener!
Dart Fener.
Darth Fener.
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Only you could be so bold.
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Solo tu potevi osare tanto!
Only you could dare so much!
Solo tu potevi essere tanto sfacciato.
Only you could be so frontless.
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The Imperial Senate will not sit still for this.
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Non la passerai liscia con il Centro Imperiale.
You will not get away with the Imperial Center.
Il Senato Imperiale non tollererà questo attacco.
The Imperial Senate will not tolerate this attack.
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When they hear you’ve attacked a diplomatic—
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Quando sentiranno che hai attaccato una missione...
When you feel that you attacked a (diplomatic) mission ...
Avete attaccato una missione diplo—
You attacked a diplomatic mission
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Don’t act so surprised, Your Highness.
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Non siate così sorpresa, Altezza.
Do not be so surprised, Your Highness.
Non fingetevi sorpresa, Altezza.
Do not pretend to be surprised, Your Highness.
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You weren’t on any mercy mission this time.
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La vostra non era una missione di soccorso.
Your (mission) was not a rescue mission.
Questa non è certo una missione caritatevole.
This is not certainly a charitable mission.
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Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies.
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Parecchi segnali sono stati diretti a questa nave da spie ribelli.
Several signals have been directed to this ship by Rebel spies.
Questa nave ha ricevuto varie trasmissioni da spie ribelli.
This ship has received several transmissions from Rebel spies.
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I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.
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Voglio sapere che fine hanno fatto i piani che vi hanno trasmesso.
I want to know what happened to the plans that they sent you.
Voglio sapere dove sono finiti i piani che vi hanno trasmesso.
I want to know where are gone the plans that they sent you.
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I don’t know what you’re talking about.
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Non so neanche di che cosa parli.
I do not know what you're talking.
Non so di cosa parli.
I do not know what you mean.
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I’m a member of the Imperial Senate
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Sono un membro del Senato Imperiale
I am a member of the Imperial Senate
Sono un membro del Senato Imperiale
I am a member of the Imperial Senate
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on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan.
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in missione diplomatica ad Alderaan.
on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan.
in missione diplomatica ad Alderaan.
on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan.
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You are part of the Rebel Alliance, and a traitor.
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Voi fate parte dell'Alleanza Ribelle, siete una traditrice.
You are part of the Rebel Alliance, you are a traitor.
Fate parte dell’Alleanza Ribelle e siete una traditrice.
You are part of the Rebel Alliance and you are a traitor.
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Take her away!
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Portatela via!
Take her away!
Portatela via!
Take her away!
I just added the italian literal subtitles, full and forced, to use with OUT and SET, along with the english literal subs for SET:
http://amanuenses.pastebay.com/1191594
The OUT subs could be easily changed to be used with GOUT, while SET subs could be used with the 2004 DVD with minimal changes.
spoRv presents the AMANUENSES project…
Definitions of amanuensis: a person employed to write or type what another dictates or to copy what has been written by another. Amanuenses is plural, and defines all the persons who will be involved in this project
Project mission: transcript different languages dialogs (or written essays, scripts etc.) to plain text files, to be used for literal subtitles and as base for translations. It must be verbatim (word for word), done preferably by native language persons.
Sources: any Star Wars related - firstly the Original Trilogy, Prequel Trilogy; then all the extra materials that often are released only in english; could be audio-video (as movies, supplemental materials etc.), audio or written text.
Methods: usually the work will be done by hand, from scratch, listening to the dialogs or reading the text, then type the transcription; could be also based onto a previous work - like a standard subtitle file, or produced using other methods (OCR, speech-to-text); the most important thing is that the final work should be CHECKED by a human person.
Releases: all the released files must be plain text; could be only simple transcription, or other kind of files - like .srt subtitles; when files other than plain text are used, you should mention for which version is suitable. They will be release here:
http://amanuenses.pastebay.com
There are other free text hosting, but this one has more than 50,000 characters limit (actually 65,635), no ads, and we could use a free subdomain for this project…
I want to…
Before all, read the simple posting rules - including a simple FAQ; then go to http://amanuenses.pastebay.com and post it there! Don’t forget to add it to the RELEASED CONTENT post! Of course, you could always post your comments and URL here.
Go to http://amanuenses.pastebay.com, take your content, change/adapt/revise it accordingly to your project, and post your new content in the same place. Don’t forget to add it to the RELEASED CONTENT post, with credit to the original poster.
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I decided to start this project after I worked with my OUT [ruLes] version; when I watched it properly, relaxed on the couch with my family, checking the italian subtitles, we all noted how far from the dialogs the subs are… they were only mere translations of the english subs!
A casual viewer can live with it, but I can’t! Then I decided to do literal subtitles; it could be useful to someone who wants to learn my language, or just have fun to read how a foreign word/phrase is written. Maybe it’s not top priority, but to me it deserves to be done!
At the moment, I’ve done the transcription of the italian soundtracks, both OUT and SET; marvins as almost finished the OUT french subtitles, and spielt mit is willing to do the same with the german subtitles…
This forum is great… I found here a lot of people who helped me with my projects; I hope this project will help someone else in exchange!
SilverWook said:
Ah, okay. The PAL has more picture info on the left side and bottom.
..but less on the right...
What do you think of the video quality of both?
SilverWook said:
The PAL version seems kind of dark and vertically stretched.
it's not vertically stretched... the screenshots are taken from the captures "as is", so the NTSC is 720x480 and the PAL is 720x576... so they "seems" vertically stretched, but they are not... I didn't resize them to show the original quality.
You can't even see the starfield behind the titles.
I don't know if it's because the lower (too low, by the way) black level, or due to the fact they insert the french subtitles...
pittrek said:
The framerate is not "incorrect", it's just a differently made NTSC > PAL transfer :-)
Would PAL VHS tapes help you in any way ? I bought the Executor box set only to find out that my VCR doesn't work anymore :-)
The Executor box set will be a wonderful source to capture! Another member is doing the same, but you know, the more, the better - median is your friend... (^^,)
Here you are some screenshots - japanese NTSC on top, french "pyramid" PAL bottom:
(white line on the left is my fault, sorry!)
Waiting for your comments!
Here I am... let's say that today was "laserdisc extras capture day - 1"; I finished to capture both PAL and NTSC "From Star Wars to Jedi", and compared them briefly...
The conclusion is: the PAL french version has the advantage of really few and unobstrusive subtitles, while the NTSC has those big japanese subs always present. The bad news are that the video quality of the PAL is worst... bad colors, low brightness, low details, too much grain... it could be improved a bit, of course, but basically the NTSC is a lot better...
And, if only I will decide to use the PAL video, its framerate is not correct... I mean, to try to compare both PAL and NTSC, I had to change the NTSC framerate not to 25fps, but around 24fps!
So, maybe, it should be better to use only the NTSC japanese version, for the following reasons:
Opinions?
