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#1471014
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Docking Bay 54 said:

Burbin said:

Restructured is Hal’s edit of TFA, with a few trims and a reordering of the story it offers a nice improvement over the theatrical cut while keeping the overall look and feel from the original. I recommend it if you like TFA and would just like to see a version that improves upon it.

Starlight is a TFA edit by user NeverarGreat, it has a few similarities with Restructured as Neverar helped Hal with some of the edits, but overall it’s a more radical version that has a lot more changes and additions. I recommend it if you’d like to see an alternate take on episode VII, though a few of the changes don’t align perfectly with Hal’s Ascendant.

Rekindled is a TLJ edit by user Poppasketti, it is very similar to Hal’s Legendary edit as it originated from it, Poppasketti did a lot of work that’s included in both edits as they were developed side by side. I think Legendary aligns slightly better with Hal’s Restructured and Ascendant, though from what I gather Rekindled seems to be a favourite among many users.

But it’s up to you which version of TFA & TLJ you prefer, there’s no “definitive” answer. I personally prefer Hal’s edits as a more cohesive experience, but Starlight & Rekindled are really good alternatives.

Thanks, Burbin! Very helpful! Gonna be looking into some (hopefully) superb PT edits after I get situated with these. Right now, I’m on board with Adywan’s OT edits (-he’s how I found this wonderful site).

Great write-up, Burbin!

Just FYI, Hal also created edits for Episode I, Episode II, and Episode III which are absolutely incredible.

Hal’s kinda a fan-editing legend.

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#1469375
Topic
The ‘Custom Special Edition’ That Almost Wasn’t, But Then Was (Released)
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  • “As you wish” - Sounds perfect.
  • “He’s not worth anything to me dead” - Sounds good to me. If I’m being really nitpicky, I feel like the emphasis would normally be on “dead” rather than “anything” - like, “dead” would have to be pitched up slightly - but I don’t think I would’ve noticed if I wasn’t deliberately looking for seams.
  • “He’s worth a fortune to me.” - I think the problem here is vocal quality, unfortunately, rather than something digital. “What if he doesn’t survive” is quick and full-sounding and matter-of-fact; but “He’s worth a fortune to me” sounds softer and slower, kind of raspy and whispery and sinister. Maybe speeding up the line a little will help it to match better? But god knows I’ve had to scrap a bunch of potential line replacements myself because the vocal quality didn’t match.
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#1465215
Topic
The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
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EddieDean said:

I think those are all good observations worth thinking about, though I disagree with one: I think having Kylo’s prayer early really works. It makes him appear weak and conflicted right off the bat, which I think is a great introduction to the character. This guy looks like a knockoff Vader, in a real-world context he stands in the shadow of Vader, and having his characterisation be that he’s trying to imitate Vader because it’s important to his identity to carry Vader’s legacy is really interesting. It focuses his storyline on the ‘easiness’ and ‘seductiveness’ of the Dark Side, and then all of the characters in his life challenge that - Rey, Snoke, Luke, Leia/Han - until he turns to the light. I think it works for the arc that’s emerged since the release of TROS.

Yeah, different strokes for different folks! The thing for me is, I suppose, I don’t want the main antagonist in a story to “appear weak and conflicted right off the bat.” I want my big bad to feel terrifying… before later stripping them down and breaking them apart (on a metatextual level, not literally beating them up in-story). It would be like putting Thanos’s scene with Gamora as his first scene in Infinity War - that scene works so well because, based on what we’ve learned so far, we don’t expect our villain to act like that. It’s subversive. Or to use an example closer to home, it’s why Vader isn’t revealed as Leia’s dad when he she encounters him on Tantive IV, because it makes Vader less mysterious and thus less imposing. It’s weird, because as much as we all know these films inside and out, we also have to consider what would be the most impactful to an outsider. That’s what I meant when it said it really only works when you already know that Kylo is Leia’s son, and he would therefore be affected by hearing her voice. Because then you’re not looking for mystery; you’re looking for character.

One of the clever things about not having Snoke reveal Kylo’s identity so early is that, knowing who Kylo is adds to his conflict; so by removing that, you increase the tension surrounding the character. But then putting the Prayer so early has the effect of minimizing him anyway. No matter where the scene is included in the film, it’s going to make him appear weak and conflicted; but for me, I think it’s important that a villain be established first before then humanizing them. Especially this film, which is actively trying to set up Kylo as a Vader-wannabe (before being self-aware and turning that into a character flaw).

It’s all subjective though!

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#1465205
Topic
The Force Awakens: Starlight (V1.1 Released!)
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Nev, this is an exceptional edit. It truly is close to being the definitive TFA edit; but, there are a couple of things stopping it from being that… yet. Some of them are technical issues, and some of them are story issues. I’ll go through the things that I noticed in chronological order. And I’m sorry in advance for how long this is going to be. But I wanted to be thorough!

Before I start complaining though, I want to reiterate how bonkers amazing so much of this is. In particular, I loved hearing the Force “Echoes” that Kylo was hearing, I loved how Maz’s was streamlined and made more logical by them not having Leia’s location already. Delaying the reveals of Kylo’s identity and Poe’s survival worked brilliantly on a number of levels. And the new sequence with the shields lowering was absolutely beautifully done. Amazing work!

Now, onto the critiques:

  • Story issue: I think Hal’s opening crawl actually works a lot better unfortunately, for two main reasons: A) The second paragraph of Starlight’s is a run-on sentence, which makes it difficult to read (especially in the brief time before it “crawls” away), and B) The third paragraph, outlining that the Republic created the Resistance - that doesn’t mesh with the later scene of Leia complaining that the Republic isn’t taking the threat of the First Order seriously. I’m pretty sure Hal’s crawl clarifies that the Republic wasn’t doing anything, which is why Leia herself had to form the Resistance.

  • Technical issue: Speaking of the crawl, there’s also a weird audio issue where the first trumpet blast is in mono or something, before the next note transitions the music out to surround. There’s also some weird flickering going on with the black levels during the crawl, that I didn’t notice anywhere else in the edit.

  • Technical issue: The Jakku regrade. I love it conceptually, but it’s inconsistent. Namely, during dusk and dawn. The sand looks too orange during these scenes for me, and it doesn’t feel like it matches the pale, bleached color that it has the rest of the time. Compare Rey bringing her wares to Simon Pegg (which, based on the sun, is happening at sunset) to Rey finding BB-8 (also at sunset). The latter scene is much more colorful. I feel like, for consistency, the sand should be more desaturated, kinda dark greyish.

  • Technical issue: Bass crackling, mainly during the interrogation scenes (both of them). Maybe it’s just my headphones; but I haven’t noticed it in any other version of TFA that I’ve watched, so I’m not sure why it would happen here.

  • Story issue: I would remove the first part of the Echoes during Poe’s interrogation - i.e. the ones heard before Poe is slammed back. For two reasons: A) The final line wasn’t even heard by Poe, and B) Because it negatively affects Rey’s interrogation. Bear with me here - Kylo is able to immediately access Poe’s memories. But, he’s not supposed to be able to break into Rey’s mind. So if he immediately hears Poe’s thoughts, then we already know from the first second of Rey’s interrogation (when he doesn’t hear anything) that he won’t be able to break her. Thus, Rey’s interrogation is immediately devoid of any sort of tension. If it takes a moment to break into Poe’s mind, then we still maintain that tension when trying to break into Rey’s mind.

  • Story issue: I don’t think Kylo’s prayer should be so early. If we’re looking at the structure from outside of the story, it makes sense; because we know he’s thinking of his mom. But internally, it detracts from the pacing of the story, and of the character. The prayer is this incredible moment of vulnerability, which recontextualizes our main antagonist. Put that too early, and we don’t have much of an opinion of Kylo yet, so there’s barely any character defined yet to recontextualize. Additionally, you give Kylo a huge moment of internal conflict early on, and then have him act like “Generic Bad Guy” for the next hour of the runtime. It doesn’t feel like a intricate, nuanced character, it feels like uneven characterization. Instead, I would put the Prayer maybe after Snoke tells him “You’ve never faced such a test” (to compliment Snoke’s uncertainty about Kylo’s strength and commitment); or else it would go nicely after Han & Co. arrive at Maz’s, but before the First Order comes (as if Kylo is praying before the battle. Maybe he even suspects his father will be there, and he needs to steel himself.) Or, maybe after Hux berates him for letting his personal feelings affect the mission.

  • Technical issue: Finn waking up at sunrise doesn’t work for me, I’m afraid, for a few reasons: A) There’s a weird, noticeable glow mask around his head when he first wakes up. B) Again, the color of the sand doesn’t match the daylight color, and C) The lighting jumps instantaneously between shots, rather than gradually brightening throughout the sequence. If you want to keep Finn waking up when it’s dark, keep everything the same until after the TIE explodes; then, increase the brightness during each of the shots of Finn trudging, lost, through the desert. Each of these shots is designed to indicate passage of time already, and seeing the daylight brighten between each shot will only help establish the feeling that Finn has been wandering for a long time.

  • Technical issue: Some of the new music cues aren’t mixed properly. I noticed it at 1:11:55 (Resistance arrival at Planet Maz), 1:53:56 (during the Rey and Kylo duel), and 2:05:30 (the new music added to the end credits). It sounds like it’s going from the surround mix to a mono mix or something like that.

  • Story suggestion: Maybe Rey could hear a snippet of Kylo’s Prayer during the interrogation scene, before she speaks to Kylo directly. It’s not necessary, but it would be a fun way of subverting the interrogation if the audience is expecting to hear Rey’s thoughts, and then we suddenly hear Kylo’s.

  • Story issue: I absolutely adore crosscutting Rey’s escape with Phasma’s patrol. It adds so much tension to think that Phasma is coordinating the whole effort. But! All of this amazing work you did to establish that tension is undone with one iffy cut. When Chewie tackles Phasma, it’s a slapstick moment, and it completely drops all of the tension out of the sequence. Not to mention, we spend so long before cutting back to Rey that we forget she’s in peril. So instead, I would tweak it just slightly to this: Rey triggers the sensor > Phasma says “I won’t tolerate sloppiness.” > The trooper says it’s a false alarm > Cut back to Phasma walking, she says “Acknowled–OOF” as Chewie tackles her > Finn “Follow me” scene > Kylo on Falcon. That way, the slapstick serves as a palate cleanser after the tense moment with Rey.

  • Technical issue: When Kylo is with Han on the bridge and hears Leia’s voice, just one of the Leia clips (“We can still save him”) is stuck on the left channel. Since it’s the only one, it feels like an error.

  • Story issue: After Starkiller fires and Rey and Finn escape, I would drop the music entirely as they run through the forest, only bringing it back in when they hear the lightsaber ignite. You did such a wonderful job of crafting this breathtaking, heart-stopping sequence when the weapon fires; this music here then create a feeling of excitement and anticipation. The music detracts from the feeling of hopelessness, whereas silence - with just the wind whispering across a desolate, empty forest - I think, would enhance it.

  • Technical suggestion: We see Poe enter the oscillator, then the TIE behind him peels off, and then…something explodes behind him. If you cut to the interior shot of the oscillator just a few frames earlier, before the TIE turns, would it feel like the TIE crashes trying to chase him? As it is, I didn’t really know what caused the explosion.

  • Technical issue: Agreed with some of the others here, Rey’s Sith-y eyes don’t really pop. When she opens them, it doesn’t feel super impactful. They need to be much brighter yellow, even glowing a bit.

I’m not trying to be a nagging Nellie here, because most of this edit is indeed incredible. I think if you just address these relatively few critiques, Starlight will become my go-to version of TFA. Seriously, well done, Nev. I’ll keep an eye out for a V2!

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#1464790
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Hal 9000 said:

New version of the large 1080p form factor is now available, with the other two encoding now. When all are done, then I’ll update the torrents. (I’m not going to bother with the DVD5.) So that’ll probably come tomorrow or a day later.

And I know I’ve said it before, but this Williams theme will always be associated for me with our time together working on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPyWz2J7ng8

God, I love that theme.

Thanks so much for your hard work, Hal! (That explains why you didn’t want to wait and re-encode it again. 😉)

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#1464375
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Hi jonh! Since I know you’re a busy guy, I just want to take a moment while you’re here to say thank you for your incredible VFX work on this project. Having those ghosts during the finale is arguably the biggest redeeming factor compared to the theatrical film - it truly is extraordinary, seamless work.

On behalf of Star Wars fans everywhere - thank you!!

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#1463405
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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I’ll echo everyone else and say what a mind-blowing achievement this is. Thank you to everyone who contributed - and especially to Hal for doing such an exceptional job leading us on the journey. It’s been an absolute privileged to have worked with you all over the past year or so.

I’d also like to point out - this is the first time I’ve seen all of the crackly saber effects implemented, and they look amazing! (And Hal, brilliant job with the added sound effects to really drive the effect home.) It’s also the first I’ve seen of the milky eye removal that Nev did - Originally, I didn’t really care about the change either way; but the new version honestly looks so much better.

Just absolutely amazing work all around!

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#1463145
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Master Lawdog said:

sherlockpotter said:

DZ-330 said:

Hate to ruin the party… but “a thousand generations live in you now” is still in V2 even though it is in the cutlist.

Oh shoot, does that mean the whole film has to be re-rendered?

Honestly, I like the way how it is. I prefer the line, "You’ll take both sabers to Exegol to be the line that’s removed. It plays out much better this way: “A thousand generations live in you now. We’ll always be with you… but this is your fight.”

So the saber line was removed in V2? Honestly, I remember there was a lot of discussion about this scene, but I don’t remember what the final decision was. Maybe this is the version that was voted on, and the documentation just needs to be changed?

As ever, it depends on what Hal wants in the film.

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#1462998
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Like hedgesmfg said, that just seems to be Google’s long-standing policy in regards to Drive file sharing.

That said, it’s not unlikely that we’ll have to deal with some delays when trying to download V2 - Google will often put temporary blockers on popular files (i.e. files that are being accessed by several different IPs at once). So just be patient, folks (or wait for Hal to update the torrents). A little longer won’t kill us.

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#1462965
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Hal 9000 said:

Well, nothing else to do for the moment but wait a long time for it to encode. Unless I find anything show-stopping, I expect I’ll be able to get the big ‘ol 1080p version up sometime tomorrow. Then the two 720p mp4 versions, and then I will do the DVD5 whenever I can (I’m sure this is the least valuable).

So anyone hoping to make a Christmas viewing out of this, I hope not to disappoint.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/2HaGe8XcMHA?start=383&end=400

It’s surreal to think that V2 is finally here; V1 came out, what, July 2020? (EDIT: November, per Hal.) What are the two different 720p versions, Hal?

Kinda bummed we didn’t hit Page 600 beforehand though, honestly…

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#1461212
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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I remember MR’s tests for the caves with the different particle effects and everything, and those were absolutely gorgeous. Obviously, this lost kewlfish footage is a huge boon and could simply be inserted as-is; if MR and RL are still interested in pursuing the enhanced effect even more though, maybe kewlfish’s footage could be used as a base layer?

The cave especially is such a tricky shot - the lightsaber is the main source of light, and it’s not moving very fast; so this sequence more than any other really showcases the new effects.

That said, I’m absolutely not going to insist anyone do extra work that they don’t want to do. Just keeping with what’s already here would be fantastic for the project!

Thank you for combing through the thread, Master Lawdog! That’s the tricky thing about this project being nearly 600 pages long. Geez…

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#1459412
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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CaptainFaraday said:

Here’s the Jedi Voices scene with only one Sors line.

(I’ve also exported the “two lines” version without the added dialogue, so if anyone wants to add their own Jedi voices, PM me.)

That’s a huge improvement imo! Personal preference, but I might make the new line just a hair softer, and add a touch more reverb. But it sounds really, really good right now! (I’m assuming the audio going completely screwy at 1:10 was just an accident 😉).


Jar Jar Bricks said:

So is this still something being considered?

https://youtu.be/jcsLeRB5Uyk

I have the audio line and everything still. Just might need a little bit of reverb added.

I…don’t hate it. I do agree that it doesn’t flow perfectly with what comes next; but then, the rest of the script sounds like it was run through Google Translate a dozen times and then fed through a wood chipper. Natural-sounding dialogue went out the window back with “I made Snoke.”

I’m inclined to think that a line that kinda fits would be better than a line that matches structurally, but was overdubbed by someone else. Jar Jar, are there any other options available? It doesn’t even have to be a big, dramatic line - just something like:

KYLO: Wherever you are, you are hard to find.
REY: You’re hard to get rid of.
KYLO: I pushed you in the desert because I needed to see it. I needed you to see it. Who you are. I know the rest of your story… Rey-
REY: You’re lying.
KYLO: I never lied to you. No. Your parents were no one. They chose to be. To keep you safe.

(Really, I’m just looking forward to gutting this entire conversation in Rey Nobody.)

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#1459101
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<em>REY NOBODY</em> - A Collaborative Thread
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If I remember correctly, DominicCobb’s is the edit where Rey killed her parents as a child? That’s definitely a cool idea - it seems like it would be easier to implement, because flashback moments are built into the story, and you can keep a good chunk of Kylo’s existing dialogue (“You don’t know the full story,” etc.) - but I’d be interested in seeing if anything could be done with the Kylo Bedroom fight to avoid mentioning her parents entirely. After everything that went down in TLJ about Rey losing her dependence on her parents, it feels like it regresses her character somewhat to still have Rey defined by their fate.

Not that any Rey Nobody edit is “easy” to pull off…

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#1459058
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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There are a ton of continuity errors in this film anyway, and most probably wouldn’t be noticed except on repeat viewings. One of the ones that’s always stuck out to me was Rey having the lightsaber activated in the drone shot during the training montage, even though the shots before and after have it deactivated. But I doubt anything can be done about it, so…oh well.

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#1458685
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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CaptainFaraday said:

The Jedi voices scene now features the return to the franchise of Sors Bandeam.

Super cool, Cap! I haven’t watched the scene in ages, so I wasn’t entirely sure which one was him; but…was he “We are all one in the Force, Rey”? I feel like that line needs a touch more reverb there - he sounds much clearer than Qui-Gon immediately before. Also, does the background audio sound a bit wonky to anyone else around 0:55, at the big music swell? It’s maybe a bit too loud, or almost like the different channels are increasing at different rates or something.

Definitely an awesome first step! How amazing is it that we get custom dialogue from an official Star Wars actor?

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#1458440
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Hal 9000 said:

I do like this idea and feel it’d have been much preferable to the theatrical, but I think to realistically get at it we’d have to essentially let the theatrical alone. In other words I don’t think it’d work to imply Kylo has mysterious orders from Palpatine.

If the key ingredient of the idea is Palpatine knowingly trying to drain the dyad, I don’t think the footage is there to establish what’s happening, as he holds his hands up in surprise to exposit what’s happening.

I think it would be fine to start the film with a mysterious “What is Palpatine planning?” (It’s the one mystery box that actually has something inside.) As I understand it, Palpatine has three different plans throughout the film, even though the film tries to play each off as if “This was my plan the whole time.” (Just like how J.J. treated Episode IX itself!) First - ignoring the stupid “I never wanted you dead” - he wants Kylo to kill Rey and then possess Kylo. Hence, “The Princess of Alderaan has disrupted my plans.” Later, he wants Rey to kill him and initiate a Spirit Transfer. Evil Plot #3 is sucking up the Dyad Juice and rejuvenating his body to look like his hot, young, clone “son” his old, withered, zombie face.

If we were to pick one, true “goal” for Palpatine to have - I agree with Hal that Palp’s surprise at the Dyad wouldn’t work if that was his plan all along. I still think that Neerb’s plotline from months ago makes a lot of sense. Palpy wanted to lure Rey to Exegol; everything about wanting to kill her is a lie created by Kylo. All it would take is removing, what? Two lines? “Kill the girl!!” And “Kill her!” during his phone call with Kylo. Given that Hal was shooting for a December release, it would be fairly easy to do.

Side note: Have we done anything to clarify why he can’t possess Kylo? It can’t be genetic, because he was controlling Snoke just fine. If it’s because Kylo is conflicted, I mean…Rey is clearly conflicted about killing him too, so like…no. And also Rey wouldn’t have been conflicted at all if Palps had just let her kill him in the first place, and-and-…uuuuugggghhhhh. I haven’t thought about the finale in months and I was happier for it. Damn you, all lol.

I think GLogus’s idea has a lot of potential - you’d have to make it more that he wants Rey to join him as apprentice I think, otherwise you run into the same problems as before with the Dyad surprise. Then it’s like Anakin joining to save Padme, Rey joining to save her friends. But what would happen during the whole “She will draw her lightsaber” sequence? Would we just remove all of Palpatine’s dialogue?