oojason

^ The La’s by The La’s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHgN6mWUHD8

^ stiffer sentences for buglers!

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Napolitano wrote on March 16: “Sources have told me that the British foreign surveillance service, the Government Communications Headquarters, known as GCHQ, most likely provided Obama with transcripts of Trump’s calls.”

Notice he uses the words “most likely”. That is not him saying “it was absolutely” what happened. If anyone here thinks for one second that there is absolutely NO possibility beyond a doubt, that this couldn’t happen between close allies, you’d be kidding yourself. I never said it happened this way either but I do believe that the possibility that it did is far more likely.

There is no way allies would tell the world they committed a “treaty violation” to help out another nation. They would not want anyone to be considering such a thing that is why they wouldn’t want someone saying it publicly … it would put them in a spot they were trying to stay out of by being quite about it.

“Jetrell Fo said:
Why did they deny it vehemently when the story first broke but now they own up to it?”

Then there is nothing to own up to then at all, no? Despite your words clearly claiming ‘but now they have own up to it’)…

Well mate … there’s these … what do you make of them?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/17/andrew-napolitano-legal-analyst-first-claimed-gchq-asked-wiretap/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

Well, one of those articles was one of the three I posted originally. So what are you asking exactly?

Rebels season 4 trailer…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b7GAhnVwhA

You’ll Never Walk Alone by Sean Taylor

with quite a different arrangement to the usual versions out there…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SSYgmtb5cU

^ 😃

Darth Cracker said:

SilverWook said:

Maybe he’s someone we should tweet at when we do the open letter thing?

Good idea.

And has anyone here got the mad skills to repurpose the Rogue One trailer so that it depicts a rag-tag team of rebels trying to steal the Original Theatrical cut from the Evil Empire? That might go viral! 😄

That’s a cracker of an idea, Darth 😃

Star Wars: Celebration 2017 - 10 Things We Learned From Doug Chiang’s Rogue One Panel:-

http://www.starwars.com/news/swco-2017-10-things-we-learned-from-doug-chiangs-rogue-one-panel

Mark Hamill’s Tribute to Carrie Fisher Panel - FULL - Star Wars Celebration 2017:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6yaOp1mYdw (53m)

Day 1 Celebration 2017 Coverage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqY1Zo5QTcM (5h 45m)

Day 2 Celebration 2017 Coverage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgxO6mQI9k0 (6h 44m)

Day 3 Celebration 2017 Coverage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPvrArQPbjU (10h 12m)

Day 4 Celebration 2017 Coverage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfRx3l2uHJM (5h 54m)

40 Years of Star Wars Panel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI5QodTtlME (1h 31m)

The Last Jedi Panel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh4X4N-8fEM (1h 06m)

Rebels Season 4 Panel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPm-X5M-DrA (50m)

Hamill Himself Panel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foCzcHWUf-8 (54m)

Championships of Cosplay Contest - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHWHN3q93Gs (1h 3m)

These Are the Droids You’re Looking For Panel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1MhfUp97GY (47m)

Ian McDiarmid interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58xjtNARA4E (7m)

Denis Lawson (Wedge) interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MzDOCN8ZYU (9m)

Felicity Jones (Jyn) and Forest Whitaker (Saw) interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDDzHbhRgGQ (7m)

The Heroines of Star Wars Panel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv0vzRbNUvk (48m)

Closing Ceremony Full Panel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pjYXvv4_zE (43m)

Lots of videos from the various Panels - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYtStMnqPtT86BWQA11ywKA/videos

Live Stream for Celebration 2017 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPvrArQPbjU & http://www.starwars.com/

Jetrell Fo said:

Napolitano wrote on March 16: “Sources have told me that the British foreign surveillance service, the Government Communications Headquarters, known as GCHQ, most likely provided Obama with transcripts of Trump’s calls.”

Notice he uses the words “most likely”. That is not him saying “it was absolutely” what happened. If anyone here thinks for one second that there is absolutely NO possibility beyond a doubt, that this couldn’t happen between close allies, you’d be kidding yourself. I never said it happened this way either but I do believe that the possibility that it did is far more likely.

There is no way allies would tell the world they committed a “treaty violation” to help out another nation. They would not want anyone to be considering such a thing that is why they wouldn’t want someone saying it publicly … it would put them in a spot they were trying to stay out of by being quite about it.

“Jetrell Fo said:
Why did they deny it vehemently when the story first broke but now they own up to it?”

Then there is nothing to own up to then at all, no? Despite your words clearly claiming ‘but now they have own up to it’)…

anyone figured what the whispers are in the trailer - if you listen carefully you can hear these whispers - but I can’t make them out…

CatBus said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

‘British spies were first to spot Trump team’s links with Russia’:-

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

&

GCHQ ‘told US security services about meetings between Donald Trump’s team and Russia’:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/13/ex-british-spy-chief-sir-richard-dearlove-suggests-donald-trump/

&

‘Ex-MI6 chief says Donald Trump may have borrowed money from Russia to keep his empire afloat’:-

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ex-mi6-chief-says-donald-10217616

Why did they deny it vehemently when the story first broke but now they own up to it?

Sorry mate - could you be a little more specific on what they denied - and what they are now ‘owning up to’?

That British Intelligence apparently gave the U.S. Intel they gained from surveillance of Trump Staff/Russia ties. Sorry that wasn’t clear. This information was clearly available weeks ago here in the States and some people got tossed under the bus for even insinuating that British Intelligence had or shared any such Intel with the U.S… Now they’ve owned up to it after the fact.

Ah, right - I get you.

I thought the accusations from weeks ago were of British Intelligenece spying on Trump/ Trump Towers on behalf of the American Security Services? Whereas the news linked by me is of the British giving a heads-up to their US counterparts after trailing/spying on Russian counterparts and possible Russian agents - going back some time - and as to a pattern emerging over meetings with Trump’s people (along with article that has the ex-MI6 Chief thinking that Trump may have borrowed money from Russia to help keep his empire afloat around the time of the financial crisis in 2008(-ish)).

I think they are two very different things - and the British Services were correct in denying that were spying on Trump/Trump Towers on behalf of the US Services.

The US and Brits, along with other allies often keep each other abreast of information and goings on (though likely keep the really interesting stuff from each other 😉)

Personally, I would not doubt the possibility of the U.K. doing the footwork for the U.S. overseas like this. Admitting it would be a far different matter of course.

http://rare.us/rare-politics/so-was-judge-andrew-napolitano-right-all-along-about-obama-and-the-brits-spying-on-trump/

It’s a possibility - though quite unlikely given the size of the UK security services these days - due to the cuts they have suffered over the past few years. It’s more likely we’d be getting more of our info ‘2nd hand’ from the US and our other allies than before - and concentrating our resources more on anti-terror (Middle East & North Africa) and the Russians.

I doubt we even spy on the US and other allies much these days…

Anyway, the rare.us article is stretching at best - and ignores the fact that it was the UK spying on the Russians that incidentally came up with a pattern of meetings by Trump’s people with those Russians - to which the US Security Services (along with our other European allies) was tipped off about. There is no proof in that story of anything apart from some very loose conjecture to try and give some semblance of credence (in the form of a question in the editorial title) to what Judge Andrew Napolitano mistakenly stated and inferred ‘from his source’ that we were spying on Trump (for ourselves or for the US).

If this is all we’re talking about, GCHQ denied what Judge Napolitano said simply because it was flat-out wrong. Not only wrong, but so outrageously wrong it would have been a treaty violation if true, which is why there was the raft of apologies afterwards. It wasn’t merely a matter of some talking head making shit up–it was a diplomatic incident. I’m sad to see some people (rare.us) insist on pursuing the imaginary storyline even now that the evidence proving it false is out there for everyone to see.

I completely agree - which is why I was a little confused to Fo’s ‘Why did they deny it vehemently when the story first broke but now they own up to it?’ when that hasn’t actually happened (and there is nothing to ‘own up to’) - and certainly not from the 3 news links I posted.

this is the live stream for Celebration 2017 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgxO6mQI9k0

hopefully it’ll show ‘The Making of Rogue One: A Star Wars Story’ which starts at 1.30pm ET time

(http://www.starwarscelebration.com/en/Events/Panels-Screenings/Friday/?rpp=12&so=4#search=so%3D4%26rpp%3D12%26startRecord%3D13)

The Rogue One video channel from the Star Wars Youtube Page (currently 28 videos - though more Rogue One related videos are in other categories, ie ‘Go Rogue’ and ‘Movie Trailers’ etc):-

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL148kCvXk8pDWYE9q9cNdux5JFmu80kN8

https://www.youtube.com/user/starwars/playlists

http://www.starwars.com/news/category/rogue-one

In case anyone missed it…

Star Wars: The Last Jedi Panel | Star Wars Celebration Orlando 2017 video… (forward to 10mins 20secs in for the start)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh4X4N-8fEM

The Last Jedi teaser trailer…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4I68XVPzQ

The Last Jedi poster…

In case anyone missed it…

Star Wars: The Last Jedi Panel | Star Wars Celebration Orlando 2017 video… (forward to 10mins 20secs in for the start)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh4X4N-8fEM

Here we go…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh4X4N-8fEM

^ cool poster…

The Last Jedi trailer itself…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4I68XVPzQ

^ a couple more scenes…

Grand Moff Tarkin (Peter Cushing) RARE Outtake - Star Wars Celebration 2017: Archival Footage (1977):-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xIBdWBou7w

&

“And You Call Yourselves Human” - Star Wars Celebration 2017: RARE Extended Archival Footage:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I7jAwuocMw

&

Gold Leader Drops an F-Bomb! - Star Wars Celebration 2017: RARE Archival Footage:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkVUTEBMzUk

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

‘British spies were first to spot Trump team’s links with Russia’:-

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

&

GCHQ ‘told US security services about meetings between Donald Trump’s team and Russia’:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/13/ex-british-spy-chief-sir-richard-dearlove-suggests-donald-trump/

&

‘Ex-MI6 chief says Donald Trump may have borrowed money from Russia to keep his empire afloat’:-

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ex-mi6-chief-says-donald-10217616

Why did they deny it vehemently when the story first broke but now they own up to it?

Sorry mate - could you be a little more specific on what they denied - and what they are now ‘owning up to’?

That British Intelligence apparently gave the U.S. Intel they gained from surveillance of Trump Staff/Russia ties. Sorry that wasn’t clear. This information was clearly available weeks ago here in the States and some people got tossed under the bus for even insinuating that British Intelligence had or shared any such Intel with the U.S… Now they’ve owned up to it after the fact.

Ah, right - I get you.

I thought the accusations from weeks ago were of British Intelligenece spying on Trump/ Trump Towers on behalf of the American Security Services? Whereas the news linked by me is of the British giving a heads-up to their US counterparts after trailing/spying on Russian counterparts and possible Russian agents - going back some time - and as to a pattern emerging over meetings with Trump’s people (along with article that has the ex-MI6 Chief thinking that Trump may have borrowed money from Russia to help keep his empire afloat around the time of the financial crisis in 2008(-ish)).

I think they are two very different things - and the British Services were correct in denying that were spying on Trump/Trump Towers on behalf of the US Services.

The US and Brits, along with other allies often keep each other abreast of information and goings on (though likely keep the really interesting stuff from each other 😉)

Personally, I would not doubt the possibility of the U.K. doing the footwork for the U.S. overseas like this. Admitting it would be a far different matter of course.

http://rare.us/rare-politics/so-was-judge-andrew-napolitano-right-all-along-about-obama-and-the-brits-spying-on-trump/

It’s a possibility - though quite unlikely given the size of the UK security services these days - due to the cuts they have suffered over the past few years. It’s more likely we’d be getting more of our info ‘2nd hand’ from the US and our other allies than before - and concentrating our resources more on anti-terror (Middle East & North Africa) and the Russians.

I doubt we even spy on the US and other allies much these days…

Anyway, the rare.us article is stretching at best - and ignores the fact that it was the UK spying on the Russians that incidentally came up with a pattern of meetings by Trump’s people with those Russians - to which the US Security Services (along with our other European allies) was tipped off about. There is no proof in that story of anything apart from some very loose conjecture to try and give some semblance of credence (in the form of a question in the editorial title) to what Judge Andrew Napolitano mistakenly stated and inferred ‘from his source’ that we were spying on Trump (for ourselves or for the US).

40 Years of Star Wars Panel - Full Video - Star Wars Celebration 2017 Orlando (from Thursday):-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTqmkkw22vs

^ no buffering, freezing or stopping this time 😃

apologies if posted before…

Extended Death Star Meeting Scene - Star Wars Celebration 2017: RARE Archival Footage:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja4WudpzBYw

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

Jetrell Fo said:

oojason said:

‘British spies were first to spot Trump team’s links with Russia’:-

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

&

GCHQ ‘told US security services about meetings between Donald Trump’s team and Russia’:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/13/ex-british-spy-chief-sir-richard-dearlove-suggests-donald-trump/

&

‘Ex-MI6 chief says Donald Trump may have borrowed money from Russia to keep his empire afloat’:-

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ex-mi6-chief-says-donald-10217616

Why did they deny it vehemently when the story first broke but now they own up to it?

Sorry mate - could you be a little more specific on what they denied - and what they are now ‘owning up to’?

That British Intelligence apparently gave the U.S. Intel they gained from surveillance of Trump Staff/Russia ties. Sorry that wasn’t clear. This information was clearly available weeks ago here in the States and some people got tossed under the bus for even insinuating that British Intelligence had or shared any such Intel with the U.S… Now they’ve owned up to it after the fact.

Ah, right - I get you.

I thought the accusations from weeks ago were of British Intelligenece spying on Trump/ Trump Towers on behalf of the American Security Services? Whereas the news linked by me is of the British giving a heads-up to their US counterparts after trailing/spying on Russian counterparts and possible Russian agents - going back some time - and as to a pattern emerging over meetings with Trump’s people (along with article that has the ex-MI6 Chief thinking that Trump may have borrowed money from Russia to help keep his empire afloat around the time of the financial crisis in 2008(-ish)).

I think they are two very different things - and the British Services were correct in denying that were spying on Trump/Trump Towers on behalf of the US Services.

The US and Brits, along with other allies often keep each other abreast of information and goings on (though likely keep the really interesting stuff from each other 😉)

😃