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1Shouta wrote: I meant legally. In 1080p. On a Blu-Ray disc.

The work that is being done now, will become legal when the copyright expires.  We can vote people into government who can reduce the copyright extensions of the past, so the legal will be in our lifetime.

But to keep this on topic.  Doesn't sound like you want to do a reboot, you want a refined version.  When a project reboots they focus on the items being revised, not from where they once came.  It's fine to behind the scenes make a list of things you didn't like, but when they talk about 2012 Total Recall, they don't say going to Mars was a waste of time.  Instead they go, elevators thru the Earth's core are sooo cool.

There are ways I could perceive to refine the stories Lucas told.  But haven't given it much thought of an over arching story element which could make a SW reboot worthwhile.  But i'm one of the old foggies who's less interested in the story and more interested in how it was implemented.

The SW reboot I would like would be to go back in time and get the Turkish SW guy to complete his trilogy, back in the 80s.

1Shouta wrote: As we all know, the new-age Star Wars fan would never get to see the Original Trilogy in unaltered form.

Take a look around these forums, and this opinion may change.  And Lucasfilm did release in 2006 a version of the OT unaltered.  Round here it is referred to as GOUT (George's Original Unaltered Trilogy).

Here's an article about the Hungarian dubs: http://www.starwarsklub.hu/14_egyeb/05_szinkron/01_trilogy/szinkron_trilogy.htm

(Attempting to work through the mechanical translation, if I misinterpret something please correct.)   ESB was the first in theaters with a dub. (szinkronjai)  In 1982.  (maybe SW was original subtitled in theaters, or is the IMDB 1979 premiere date incorrect?)  Then in 84 (christmas) Star Wars was shown on TV with a dub.  Jedi maybe never was broadcasted on tv so that's why it didn't get a dub.  [I don't think these two dubs got an official release, just tv recordings?]

The 1993 VHSs became the first official dub.  Mentions several oddities of the dubs, are they saying they dubbed the ewoks?  Chewbacca was called Harah.  Sounds like the (government sponsored?) dub facilities lacked funds and that party explains the multiple versions often cannibalizing from an early version.

RotJ hungarian voice-over : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd9WDYwvxRA

^ Some examples are mentioned/shown here: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy-Theatrical-Editions-Info-ALL-versions-SEE-FIRST-POST-FOR-INFO-AND-AVAILABILITY/post/577325/#TopicPost577325

^ Moth3r's PAL set wasn't from the DC but from the French 1995 THX LDs: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Moth3rs-PAL-DVD-project/topic/1545/

Thanks csd79.  Would you know the reason behind the late dubbing of RotJ?  Maybe the VHS releases (SW and ESB) were done as promo for the theatrical release of RotJ, so after that, time just passed the release over.

This Hungarian IMDB has cast list of the voice over people of the three versions:

SW84-94: http://iszdb.hu/?szinkron=810

SW95-96: http://iszdb.hu/?szinkron=1340

SW97-current: http://iszdb.hu/?szinkron=1341

SW Films: http://iszdb.hu/?oldal=ker_eredmeny&holkeres=0&mitkeres=csillagok%20h%C3%A1bor%C3%BAja

This info seems specific to a video release or TV broadcast, yet IMDB list Hungary as showing the film in 1979.  Would you know if the film was subtitled and/or dubbed in the 1979 release? or any of the films in general.

Public relations manager... pretty awkward.

^ Post 19.

Harmy wrote: What did you want to show with that exactly?

danny_boy wrote: i aslo don't subscribe to the 35/70mm is great and digital is crap crowd either----hence the comparison.

A reminder that people have opinions and can like one or more things?

The SW films are digital, the fan projects are digital.  The debate is not format, it's the choices made, your comparisons (digitally) paint that picture.

Clarify your point, reframe the debate, but put it in the General SW forum.  It'll get better debated there.

2 years.  We'll see if they include the time they've already been incarcerated.

[seems like that includes the 5 months already served, so 19 more]

^ Your English is fine. 

Don't have any further examples of this voice-over dubber credit phenomenon.  Comes across as TV specific.  The GOUTs don't have any mention of the dubbers/subtitlers.  Some VHSs have an extra visual credit but no audio recognition.  The placement up front is curious, choice of the dubber perhaps?

http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/kasparov-arrested-outside-pussy-riot-trial-courthouse

danny_boy wrote: I am one of the few average Joe's who owns a Sony 4k 1000es projector-----and the SW blu ray's look amazing-

No one's debating the amazingness of a blu-ray disc.  Is 'one of the few' still territory of the 'average Joe'?

The two pics share a resemblance.  But they remind us of what the threads about.

Transcripts of the trial: http://rapsinews.com/publications/20120802/264059062.html

Closing statements: http://freepussyriot.org/content/nadia-tolokonnikovas-closing-statement

http://freepussyriot.org/content/masha-alyokhinas-closing-statement

Guilty verdict of Hooliganism returned: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57495199/russian-female-punk-band-pussy-riot-found-guilty-of-hooliganism-over-putin-protest-at-church-site/

better article/live blog containing some of the judges statements: http://blogs.wsj.com/emergingeurope/2012/08/17/live-blog-verdict-in-trial-of-russian-punk-band-pussy-riot/

• The band members had their video and photo cameras switched on -- and that is forbidden in the cathedral, judge notes, citing a witness.

• Judge notes that the women were wearing short dresses. "When they bowed (before the altar), their dresses rode up."

• The judge is reading out detailed descriptions of how several believers -- the crime's victims -- said they were insulted by the womens' actions. "Their clothes didn’t conform to Church rules," the judge says, among many other complaints. "The normal functioning of the Church was violated."
• Judge just said Pussy Riot engaged in homosexual propaganda.

Sentencing forthcoming

TWC322 : The Men Behind the Mask '95:B + More

TREADWELL COLLECTION

Contents:
The Men Behind the Mask convention - Pasadena, California (1995.08.06)
Steve Sansweet, Jeremy Bulloch and Convention Floor
Later hosted by David Alan Grier - Mark Hamill interview
Duckman 'Where No Duckman Has Gone Before' S04E27 (1997.08.23)



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Storylines
00 - All : The Men Behind the Mask convention - Pasadena, California (1995.08.06)
01 - Steve Sansweet (s)
02 - Jeremy Bulloch
03 - Convention Floor
04 - Later hosted by David Alan Grier - Mark Hamill interview
05 - Duckman 'Where No Duckman Has Gone Before' S04E27 (1997.08.23)



Storyline - 01 - The Men Behind the Mask convention : Steve Sansweet
01 - Steve Sansweet slide presentation
  01 - The start of a collection
  02 - Boba Fett's stunt back pack
  03 - Road show banner
  04 - Marco Enterprises Stormtrooper (LFL shutdown) *
  05 - Card Star Wars figures *
  06 - Shelving
  07 - Star Tours
  08 - Replica masks
  09 - Ceramics
  10 - R2-D2 Soap Display
  11 - Star Wars pinball game and Japanese tv show
  12 - Miscellaneous stuff and Gamorean Guard bank
  13 - Micro Collection *
  14 - More junk, more stuff
  15 - Vader costume and misc props
  16 - MPC model kit Falcon
  17 - Walker and Snow Speeder *
  18 - Stop-motion Speeder bike w/ Leia maquette
  19 - Yoda resin from original moulds
  20 - McQuarrie painting and Tijuana Velvet Vader
  21 - Special Effect RotJ Opening Storyboard
  22 - Gold Record 500k Star Wars Soundtrack
  23 - Franklin Mint Walker and Falcon and folk art Walker
  24 - ESB on set guest passport *
  25 - ESB Fisher Hong Kong publicity and Blue Harvest crew hats *
  26 - Prop guns and masks (Biker Scout, Emperor Royal Guard, Elis Helrot, Threepio) *
  27 - Holographic chess pieces *
  28 - Japanese Coke bottle caps
  29 - New Zealand Popsicle packaging and other foreign foods (Finland's Yoda Soda) *
  30 - George Lucas Museum book and Japanese 3po and R2 clock
  31 - Canadian plush Jawa and Japanese claw game plushies
  32 - Talking Yoda, mold tests and worst chess set
  33 - Kenner figure mold test
  34 - Vinyl caped Jawa
  35 - Bootleg figures (Turkish Imperial Gunner, Uzay Blue Stars and Russian Silver Trooper)
  36 - Revenge card backs, Unreleased Power of the Force card backs and coins
  37 - Fan-made figures (Biggs, Tarkin, Luke ceremony, Blue Snaggletooth, prototype Boba & Yarna d'al' Gargan)
  38 - Fan-made Banthas, Power Droid, R5, Torture Droid
  39 - Maquette heads for production
  40 - Fan-made 12 inch (Han Trooper, Luke Bespin, Tusken Raider, Luke Hoth, Leia Ender, Luke X-Wing Pilot, Han Hoth)
  41 - Han carbonite
  42 - Holiday Special and Muppets
  43 - Prototype Hildebrant Luke and Leia statue

Storyline - 03 - Convention Floor
44 - Convention floor
    Star Wars display - Vader costume, 3po torso, Death Star panels
    Excaliber Helmet, Jurassic Park costume, Indiana Jones Fedora,
    Grandpa Munster's warlock cape, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea submarine
    Sansweet display
  45 - cut

Storyline - 02 - The Men Behind the Mask convention : Jeremy Bulloch
46 - Jeremy Bulloch
  46 - Return of the Jedi footage and introduction
  47 - Trip over from the UK
  48 - Did he do Boba Fett's voice?  Examples *
  49 - Are you related to Sandra...
  50 - Post Jedi work
  51 - Looking forward to the next three
  52 - Working in 'Blind Spirit' play
  53 - What is the history of Boba Fett?  Visitor *
  54 - Reaction to Jedi Boba
  55 - Unused filmed Boba Fett shots? *
  56 - On the popularity of Boba Fett
  57 - Grudge with Ford?
  58 - Reaction to reading the script *
  59 - First time wearing the costume *
  60 - Why chosen for role?
  61 - Sarlacc Location
  62 - Waiting for the call
  63 - cut

Storyline - 04 - Later hosted by David Alan Grier - Mark Hamill interview
64 - later host David Alan Grier - Mark Hamill (1997.02.21)
  64 - Working on the SW radio drama, house fire, SW toys, re-release, Black Pearl
  65 - commercials
  66 - Prequels, career maintenance, voice over work
  67 - commercials
  68 - on the success of Star Wars, musical
  69 - commercials
  70 - credits

Storyline - 05 - Duckman 'Where No Duckman Has Gone Before' S04E27 (1997.08.23)
71 - USA Network Original
72 - Duckman 'Private Dick / Family Man'
  72 - 'Where No Duckman Has Gone Before' S04E27 (1997.08.23)
  73 - commercials
  74 - Duckman cont.
  75 - commercials
  76 - USA Network Duckman promo 'The cure for the common show'
  77 - commercials
  78 - Duckman cont.
  79 - commercials
  80 - Duckman cont.
  81 - cut


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2005.xx.xx - MOTF RotS Tour Sansweet interview
bring.back.star.wars.ws.pdtv.xvid-nosegment
Sirius C5 - Interview - Steve Sansweet.mp3
Sirius C5 - Panel - Steve Sansweet - Overview.mp3

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TWC197 : The Men Behind the Mask '95:A

TREADWELL COLLECTION

Contents:
The Men Behind the Mask convention - Pasadena, California (1995.08.06)
Peter Mayhew, Kenny Baker, Dave Prowse, Warwick Davis, Jeremy Bulloch



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Storylines
00 - All : The Men Behind the Mask convention - Pasadena, California (1995.08.06) [2:03:16:03]
01 - TMBTMcon - Peter Mayhew [36:08:16]
02 - TMBTMcon - Kenny Baker [32:12:14]
03 - TMBTMcon - Dave Prowse [27:51:14]
04 - TMBTMcon - Warwick Davis Peter Mayhew, Kenny Baker, David Prowse, Jeremy Bulloch [20:53:04]
05 - TMBTMcon - Steve Sansweet (partial) [5:19:04]


Storyline - 01 - The Men Behind the Mask convention : Peter Mayhew
01 - The Men Behind the Mask Convention
  01 - Return of the Jedi footage
  02 - Peter Mayhew
  02 - Getting the SW job, 20th anniversary, future
  03 - Questions
  03 - How long did the make up take to put on?
  04 - Norway Probe Droid story *
  05 - Cloud City corridors
  06 - Practical jokes and the UK crew
  07 - Relationship with Ford
  08 - Have you been asked to be in the prequels?
  09 - Favorite Chewbacca toy?
  10 - Is there fuzzy dice in the Falcon? *
  11 - Did you keep any props?
  12 - Any work since Jedi?  and fan chewie
  13 - Japanese commercial work *
  14 - Current work *
  15 - Most fun movie to work on
  16 - Holiday Special

Storyline - 02 - The Men Behind the Mask convention : Kenny Baker
17 - Kenny Baker
  17 - Return of the Jedi footage & introduction
  18 - Getting the part 1976
  19 - Getting R2 to move and the third leg *
  20 - Tunisia droid mishap
  21 - 10 minutes from Elstree and Alec Guinness
  22 - Djerba and Guinness vs Purvis *
  23 - the wandering nomad who passed thru
  24 - Sand Crawler Missile Launder *
  25 - Frigid Midget with a Rigid Digit
  26 - Baker's mother and plane flights
  27 - Son's christening
  28 - Kershner Kermit and Rebel Goodies
  29 - RotJ pool party and Daniels dislike
  30 - Marquand
  31 - Should I tell you a joke?

Storyline - 03 - The Men Behind the Mask convention : Dave Prowse
32 - Dave Prowse
  32 - Return of the Jedi footage & introduction
  33 - Youth, body building, weight lifting
  34 - Start in showbiz and television
  35 - Early film work (Casino Royale, Hammerhead)
  36 - 70s film work (Horror of Frankenstein, Vampire Circus, Frankenstein and the Monster from Hell)
  37 - A Clockwork Orange
  38 - Getting Star Wars
  39 - Working on Star Wars
  40 - Green Cross Code
  41 - Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi woes
  42 - Auditioning for Vader (Star Wars Interactive Video Board Game) *
  43 - On Christopher Reeve's accident
  44 - Peter Cushing *
  45 - Prequels

Storyline - 04 - The Men Behind the Mask convention : Group
46 - Warwick Davis, Kenny Baker, Peter Mayhew, Jeremy Bulloch join Dave Prowse
  47 - Intro and song
  48 - (Prowse) Jedi Vader reveal *
  49 - (Bulloch) Will Boba be in Prequels
  50 - (Mayhew) How tall are you? Is everybody.
  51 - (Davis) Ron Howard, more Willow?
  52 - Group photos with female fans
  53 - (Davis) Leprachaun III
  54 - (Mayhew, Davis, Baker) on working in a costume *
  55 - (Bulloch, Baker) films vs theater
  56 - (Bulloch, Prowse) Do you keep up with the character (in the EU) *
  57 - (All) On being part of a legendary success
  58 - Kenny Baker runs into crowd, applause, greetings

Storyline - 05 - The Men Behind the Mask convention : Steve Sansweet
59 - Steve Sansweet slide presentation
  59 - The start of a collection
  60 - Boba Fett's stunt back pack
  61 - Road show banner
  62 - Marco Enterprises Stormtrooper (LFL shutdown) *
  63 - Card Star Wars figures *


DVD_ROM - Video Related - (3 Hours)
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20xx.xx.xx - Ireland AM - Star Wars Experience Kenny Baker Steve Sansweet interview
20xx.xx.xx - Kenny Baker signs fan slave leia
20xx.xx.xx - Kenny Baker speaks about Anthony Daniels
20xx.xx.xx - Stuipd Sci-Fi - Kenny Baker Interview
20xx.xx.xx - The Podge and Rodge Show with Kenny Baker
1997.0x.xx - Dave Prowse Interview
1997.xx.xx - Jeremy Bulloch Kenny Baker interview
1998.xx.xx - Con Star Wars Interviews
2002.xx.xx - Sunrise Peter Mayhew Yvonne Craig Interviews
2005.xx.xx - Partymidgets.net interviews Kenny Baker
2007.05.xx - BBC Radio Kenny Baker Interview
2010.11.17 - The Moore Show - Kenny Baker & Dave Prowse interviews
2011.11.xx - The Sissy Gamache Show - Peter Mayhew & Angie Mayhew Growing Up Giant
KennyBakerInterview.zip
xxxx.xx.xx - Peter Mayhew convention appearance

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Many of the early captures were from the DC:

The Jedi/Feta Definitive Collection : http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Jedi-Feta-Definitive-Collection-Completed/topic/3722/

The RowMan "Star Wars" Releases : http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Official-RowMan-Release-Thread/topic/2947/

The "Dr. Gonzo" Trilogy : http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Dr-Gonzo-Trilogy-DVD-Info-and-Feedback-Thread/topic/1382/

The Cowclops V.1 - Defintive Collection OT Transfer : http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Cowclops-Transfers-a-k-a-the-PCM-audio-DVDs-Row47-set-Info-and-Feedback-Thread/topic/1364/

The "EditDroid" Trilogy DVD : http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-EditDroid-Trilogy-DVD-Info-and-Feedback-Thread/topic/1703/

The "Farsight" Trilogy DVD : http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Farsight-Trilogy-DVD-Info-and-Feedback-Thread/topic/1380/

The Eraser Definitive Collection : http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Eraser-Definitive-Collection-Custom-DVD-Edition/topic/12919/page/1/

Never seen anyone but Lucas surrounded by the models, wonder if anyone else beside Lorne Peterson have surfaced online?

same pics plus more: http://blognerdytome.com/56/

^ bold move making the 'o' and 't' capital.  Less certain about the period.

Lord Dark Darth Death?

 

Brooks wrote: It's kind of discouraging to think they had the opportunity to rework the film and they didn't fix any of the big problems.  I guess Lucas really liked the way it turned out, despite all the criticism??

Asaki wrote:  Well it is what it is. I suppose all of the changes they added for the DVD release were sufficient .

Big problems lead to criticism, criticism leads to opinion, opinions are best in the General Star Wars forum:

Sez CYP:

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...maybe now he will?...

^ The pieces added to TPM since 1999 (extended pod race for example) are in the 3D.  The cropping is closer to the 1999 version, for home video the movie was significantly chopped.  and factor in this:

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2012/01/27/star-wars-phantom-menace-3d-preview/

So when you start a conversion, do you start from the beginning or the middle or the end?
We worked in an odd order, because with Episode I, we were also doing a restoration. One of the first questions that my Associate VFX Supervisor, Dorne Huebler, and I started asking, was that if we were going to take this movie and cut it up into 2,000 separate pieces, we had an opportunity to upgrade what those 2,000 separate pieces are. It seemed like we had a perfect opportunity to go back and create a cleaner, sharper and purer version of the movie.

In fact, the window was closing on that; these archive tapes don’t last forever and they haven’t been meticulously catalogued and archived because no one thought that was really the master of the film, so it wasn’t clear that we were going to be able to find all of them. 

Where did you find them?
They were in a variety of places. It was some work to find them and we found about 98 percent of them.

I think there's a different term then moire. (not sure what it is called)  We're not dealing with two overlapping patterns, just the dot display which creates the pattern.  What the dot display was is up for questioning.  A gridded pattern like:

or an alternating matrix like:

Take the image below and go into the post editor and grab a corner and scale the images and you'll see how possibly the larger waves of the holograms may have come about.

My guess is the filmed tv was on it's side, or the camera turned 90 degree. (this also seems to be the case of the shots in ESB which read horizontal)  But much of this depends on the tv model recorded.  The TV static when Leia's message resets could also tell us more.  But if filmed in a certain way, like Harmy said at full 35mm resolution, they could read as our eyes see tv an image, with enough pixel bleeding to melt together, only when resized and contrast boosted does everything go haywire.

TWC073 : La Guerra de las Galaxias or Draw

TREADWELL COLLECTION

Contents:
La Guerra de las Galaxias
Win, Lose or Draw Star Trek Edition
(EP recording - audio hiss)



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01 - La Guerra de las Galaxias [2:00:48:08]
02 - Win, Lose or Draw Star Trek Edition (1988) [34:31:24]


Storyline - 01 - La Guerra de las Galaxias
01-47 - La Guerra de las Galaxias
  48 -cut

Storyline - 02 - Win, Lose or Draw Star Trek Edition (1988)
49 - Celebrity Guest: Nichelle Nichols, James Doohan, Marina Sirtis, Michael Dorn
  50 - Round 1 - Marina Sirtis
  51 - Round 1 - Michael Dorn
  52 - Round 2 - Nichelle Nichols
  53 - Round 2 - James Doohan
  54 - Round 3 - Contestant Karen
  55 - Round 3 - Contestant Michael
  56 - Speed Round - Michael
  57 - Speed Round - Karen
  58 - end
59 - Second Episode
  59 - Round 1 - Michael Dorn
  60 - Round 1 - Nichelle Nichols
  61 - Round 2 - Marina Sirtis
  62 - Round 2 - Contestant Anthony
  63 - Round 3 - Contestant Kelley
  64 - Speed Round - Anthony
  65 - Speed Round - Nichelle Nichols
  66 - end
67 - Third Episode - Introductions 




DVD_ROM - Video Related - (2.25 Hours)
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1977.09.xx-Making of Star Wars - Spanish Audio
197x.xx.xx-La Guerra de Las Galaxias - Audio Record
1984.xx.xx-La Guerra de Las Galaxias - CBSFox Intro & Crawls
1990.xx.xx-La Guerra de Las Galaxias - Canal+ promo
1990.xx.xx-La Guerra de Las Galaxias - CBSFox Grandes del Cine Trailers
20xx.xx.xx-Comparison Espanola and latina dubs
2007.05.xx-La Guerra de Las Galaxias 30th anniversary - DCine Mini Especial

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