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#104036
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Info: Lawrence Lessig (Copyright Lawyer) on the "Phantom Edit"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/104036/action/topic#104036
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Forbes.com

"There's a proven market for these kinds of edits; witness what happened to George Lucas' Star Wars: Episode I--The Phantom Menace. In 2001, an alternative version of Lucas' unloved sequel, called Episode 1.1--The Phantom Edit, created a sensation among fans of the 1970s original. Created by a fan, the edited version cut 20 minutes from the film. The excisions all but deleted a dopey character (Jar Jar Binks) and got rid of several other annoyances, like Anakin Skywalker's shouts of "Yahoo!" and "Whoopee!" during the movie's pod-racing sequence.

Lucas went from amused to horrified. And the edit-happy fan--no doubt worried about getting sued--later apologized. If the Family Movie Act had been in force then, he could have been rolling in dough instead.

Aho admits the law "doesn't discriminate" about what kind of filters you would create. "As long as it was purely subtractive, the law supports it," he says. He believes the market for family-type filters is around $100 million, "but I don't think there's much of a market for filters [that aren't] family-friendly." "
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#103769
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Info: Lawrence Lessig (Copyright Lawyer) on the "Phantom Edit"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103769/action/topic#103769
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3 years for digital media, i wonder how many 'examples' are going to be made with this one. Will a portion of the public outcry though? It's amazing that the numbers involved in napster didn't sway us towards a more open system. people will still buy even if they can get it for free.

What I love about this copyright revision though is that it actively promotes and gives legal backing to "uncreative" acts. This is a first. Copyright was suppost to be about promoting arts and sciences, you can debate the cam part but making it legal to remove what you think is obscenity or not family oriented, there's nothing "creative" about that kind of decision making is purely "destructive".

So when the next "destructive" work (like http://ni9e.com 's Explicit Content Only version of the classic NWA album) gets caught under the gun, maybe this copyright revision will work in their favor, and help revive the Fair Use clause in the process.

Well TR47, they could start by taxing the hell out your connection, instead of good legislation. I agree somewhat with what your saying but there's also the notion that works like some of the stuff mentioned around here, should be legal. they don't make these kinda laws to eliminate the problem entirely, as you say that's impossible, they are trying to figure out some inbetween which keep minds looking elsewhere. The problem is we have some really restrictive rules currently on the books and new forms of creativity pushing on those boundaries, and it's people like Lessig who are attempting to figure out patterns of thought or some kind of legal reasoning to show the value of these new things.

ChainsawAsh: Your on the same train of thought i'm on, let's go with it. Let's say we were attempting to legitimatize the Phantom Edit, you could say (as some reviewers did) that the Neimoidians promoted bad racial stereotypes of asians, so modifiying their voices is something we must do to protect the young'uns. As for Jar Jar....

The problem with this of course, is that these we're not the reasons the Editor did what he did. There are 'valid' reasons, i believe in the work done to the films, but they won't seem to fly. But Lucas hasn't done anything, so maybe he's ok with it in a way. Depends on how big you get, sometimes. Curious how tfn is mentioning the edits now. Has anyone heard the commentary version tfn was talking about?

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#103729
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Info: Lawrence Lessig (Copyright Lawyer) on the "Phantom Edit"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103729/action/topic#103729
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000900812

The Family Entertainment and Copyright Act was signed last week by Pres. Bush making obscenity free edits now perfectly legal in the eyes of the law.

Quoting:
"While the studios would rather have bottled up the legislation that effectively ends the legal action surrounding Utah-based ClearPlay, they ultimately decided to abandon their action because it gave them the camcorder bill and legislation that makes it easier for federal prosecutors to go after counterfeiters who make works available before their public release."

Happy editing!
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#103504
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Info: Lawrence Lessig (Copyright Lawyer) on the "Phantom Edit"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103504/action/topic#103504
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Actually MeBeJedi, that’s not entirely true. There are several companies at the moment which take movies and edit out “offensive” content. They then take those modified DVD and ‘rent’ them back to the constitutents who are part of their lending library, so to speak. Yes that might sound a lot like selling an altered uncreatively editted movie but for some reason they can get away with it.

There was just a show on A&E with the help of ABCnews which discussed this issue and guess what came up, The Star Wars. I posted the SW: PE related quote in this thread:

Upcoming TV Thread
Here's the pertinent clip:
Bleep Clip

Lessig’s “Free Culture” (http://www.free-culture.cc/) is a great read, and besides being free, it’s a great way to understand how the situation we’re all in, came from and how we all need to think out of the box to make some form of progress. So companies don’t feel cheated and so creators can make new creations.

What’s great is he lays out how the US began as a pirate nation and how corporations like Disney used their form of pirating and plundering of the Public Domain to gain dominance, but now that they are in power, they are squelching for the rest of us the opportunities they we’re once granted. The book will make you question all the nonsense the major media puts out in relation to creative works and copyright control issues.

And as Karyudo says it is illegal to rip a DVD because of the DMCA. The most recent modification to copyright (Family Copyright Act: see Wired [last 5-6 paragraphs]) gives the power to those companies which make ‘non-offensive’ movie edits to get around the DMCA. I wish I knew how, but things like Deleted Magic should have some form of protection from over bearing copyright owners. I see DM as a fantastic creative work, and no one should have to be forced into bankruptcy after creating something similar to it. (crosses fingers)

If you’ve got the interest: http://www.willfulinfringement.com/ is a fantastic documentary on the issue. There’s a great case in the documentary about a Clown who makes balloon animals which TOOOO closely resemble a famous piece of copyright, as the clown made the balloon animal he was handed a Cease & Desist letter.

Anyway, it’s a wild and constantly transforming world, so I applaud those who create and have to deal with the nonsense which sometimes happens.

The great thing about Lessig, is he comes out with this fairly straight up approach. But the examples he tends to use in his lectures are forms of creativity which push (and sometimes quite hard) the current copyright boundaries.

So he’ll say that piracy is bad (and duh it is), but then give an example which most people would view as piracy. Also he often uses examples which are net based, and don’t adhere to the typical ‘for profit’ form of creativity which much of the public will only recognize. Like DJ Dangermouse’s “Grey Album” or the Jib-Jab debate over “This Land is Your Land” or the Outfoxed documentary made up of only Fox newscasts. These are forms of creativity which we’re not possible (to the lay person) a few years ago. But now we have to confront the issue because technology has brought what was once only possible by a corporation down to the hands of you and me. And as he says it’s time now to look at getting people to recognize this form of creativity as something we should cherish and support with some new form of regulations or control concepts, before these creations are locked away from sight by unrealistic regulation.

I would bet Deleted Magic would become part of his lecture series if he knew about it. Maybe I should send him a copy.

[rambling off]
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#103261
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Any Star Wars TV stuff coming up?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103261/action/topic#103261
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Updated Listing:

Upcoming
Canada : 4/30 : Teletoon : Clone Wars Season 1
US : 5/1 : NBC : Extra TV : Summer Blockbuster Preview : Find Local Time
US : 5/1 (+?) : TNT : NBA Playoffs? : Ultimate Battles : 6 vignettes
Canada : 5/1 : 4pm : Teletoon : Clone Wars Season 2
US : 5/2 : 7am : ABC : Good Morning America : Hayden Christensen
US : 5/2 : 5pm : MTV : TRL : Hayden Christensen
US : 5/3 : 9am : ABC : Live with Regis and Kelly : Hayden Christensen
Canada : 5/4 : 10pm : Teletoon : Clone Wars Season 3
US : 5/6 : 11:35 : WNBC : Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno : Hayden Christensen : Web Info
US : 5/8 : 7pm : Cartoon Network : Revenge of the Brick : Web Info
US : 5/12 : 8pm : Fox : The O.C. : George Lucas Guest Spot
US : 5/16 : 8pm : Discovery : The Science of Star Wars "Man and Machines" : Web Info
US : 5/17 : 8pm : Discovery : The Science of Star Wars "Space Cowboys" : Web Info
US : 5/16 : 8pm : Discovery : The Science of Star Wars "War, Weapons and the Force" : Web Info
UK : 5/18 : 8pm : Sky One : Feel the Force (Documentary)
US : 5/18 : 8pm : A&E : Empire of Dreams : Edited DVD Documentary Web Info
UK : 5/20 : 8pm : Biography Channel - George Lucas (Documentary)
UK : 5/21 : 6pm : Biography Channel - Star Wars Knight (An evening of Star Wars)
UK : 5/22 : 5pm : Sky Movies 1 and 3 - I Love Star Wars
UK : 5/22 : 6pm : Sky Movies 1 and 3 - Star Wars:Episode IV - A New Hope
UK : 5/22 : 10pm : Discovery Channel - Science of Star Wars - intrduced by Artoo and Threepio
US : 5/22 : 8pm : Discovery : The Science of Star Wars "Man and Machines" : Web Info
US : 5/22 : 9pm : Discovery : The Science of Star Wars "Space Cowboys" : Web Info
US : 5/22 : 10pm : Discovery : The Science of Star Wars "War, Weapons and the Force" : Web Info

Past
US : 4/26 : CBS Early Show : Samuel L Jackson
US : 4/29 : BET : Sam Jackson
UK : Anthony Daniels on Scotland Today : http://scotlandtoday.scottishtv.colo.ednet.co.uk/content/default.asp?page=s1_2_2&newsid=7512&newsType=
UK : Commercial : Orange - Gold Spot - Darth Vader
http://www.boardsmag.com/screeningroom/commercials/1659/
Norway : News report on music DVD
Germany : taff Net : News report on music DVD
US/UK : VH1 : When Star Wars Rules the World
US : 3/13 : CBS : 60 Minutes

thnx: otRikter, otstarkiller, otrusss15, tfnBritany, jcDarthRaver, mfTiniTinyTony, mfpjvader, mfDarkKubein, mfalexander de large
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#103207
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Info: Lawrence Lessig (Copyright Lawyer) on the "Phantom Edit"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/103207/action/topic#103207
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Influential copyright lawyer, Lawrence Lessig (Website), who has written on changes which need to be made to the current US copyright system, and is one of the creators of Creative Commons (Website) an organization which is pro-sharing and offers flexible copyrights to creative works, recently was part of a discussion at the New York Public Library (Who Owns Mp3) and at one point the “Phantom Edit” is mentioned.

Listen to the discussion @ campusprogress.org. (45meg mp3 entire lecture is 1hr 33 min.)
The mention, and discussion of editing movies, creating documentaries, reusing footage, comes in around ~32:30, and lasts about 5 minutes.

If you can’t get enough of that lawyer speak, check out the ‘debate of the century’ between the main players from the content industries (Fritz Attaway (MPAA), Cary Sherman (RIAA), Avery Kotler (Napster) and the public advocacy groups (Fred von Lohmann (EFF), Siva Vaidhyanathan):
The History and Future of the Book: Digital Copyright
Torrents (audio and video) in various formats of a three hour debate with the same people who just debated their case in front of the Supreme Court. It’s fascinating to finally hear these people battle it out in public.

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#102943
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Any Star Wars TV stuff coming up?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/102943/action/topic#102943
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via: MF.com Commercial: Orange - Gold Spot - Darth Vader
http://www.boardsmag.com/ / (Save As Link)
via: MF.com
Norwegian Television Ep3 TV Clip
via: MF.com
German Ep3 DVD Clip
(Note: is it worth posting this kinda repeat stuff, or does everyone read both sites?)

->MTV "True Life" ep 'I Have Embarrassing Parents'
Apr 29 10:00am (repeats many many times)
Parents do things that embarrass their children; Star Wars superfan
->Return of the Jedi
Sun May 8 3:00pm (at least in the New York area)
->That '70s Show - "A New Hope"
Tue May 10 12:00am (at least in the New York area)
->The O.C. OS via tfn
Thurs, May 12 : 8:00
->Empire of Dreams on A&E
Wed May 18 : 10:00pm (edited)

->Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno
Friday May 6th "Hayden Christensen"
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#102511
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Any Star Wars TV stuff coming up?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/102511/action/topic#102511
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The SW fan editing community got a (slight) mention in the AMC program called "BLEEP! Censoring Hollywood"
http://www.amctv.com/show/detail?CID=63457-1-EST
Steven Soderburgh says in the program: "If I want to sit at home and take the Star Wars trilogy and and do my own version and make it two hours long and watch it in my living room, that i'm allowed to do that, what i'm not allowed to do is sell it or rent it to a friend of mine."

Here's that clip:
http://noneinc.com/tteesstt/Bleep004.mov

The program reairs:
AMC Apr 27 01:30am
AMC May 01 11:30am

Bleep! Censoring Hollywood?
AMC 43 Apr 26 10:00pm
Special/Other, 45 Mins.
The censoring of DVD movies without the consent of the studios or the filmmakers.
Original Airdate: April 26, 2005.

Edit: added show link Edit2: added/revised clip
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#102508
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Any Star Wars TV stuff coming up?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/102508/action/topic#102508
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Since George is 'acting' again, anyone got George's last attempt from "Beverly Hills Cop III"?

Here's a forthcoming debacle from thee "Let's abuse the shit outta this phenomenon":

"NBA and Star Wars Go One-on-One
April 25, 2005

Not all epic battles are fought in a galaxy far, far away; sometimes they play out on a basketball court with Jedi of a different sort. Lucasfilm and the NBA have joined forces to show the spirit behind the conflicts between the Jedi and Sith, as well as between iconic players in basketball history. The first week in May, TNT will be airing the "Ultimate Battles" series paying homage to memorable clashes from both Star Wars characters and basketball legends.
The six vignettes (one for each film) parallel the duels between Darth Vader and Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn and Darth Maul, Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker, among others, with epic conflicts during the playoffs between such sports legends as Julius "Dr. J" Erving, Bill Walton, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Earving "Magic" Johnson, Larry Bird, Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Shaquille O'Neal, and Kobe Bryant.

Each montage shows clips from the film cleverly mixed with footage from the playoffs during the year the film was released. Fans will not only get to see scenes from their favorite Star Wars films -- including new clips from Revenge of the Sith -- but also exciting reels of some of the most historic playoff moments in the NBA.

Stay tuned to starwars.com and TNT for more upcoming information on the "Ultimate Battles.""
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#100443
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Idea: Can we make Multi-Lingual OT DVDs?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/100443/action/topic#100443
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Don't forget on some of the DVDs there is an "English for the Hearing Imparied" audio track! (was this suppost to be Visually Impaired?)

Here's a short topic on Foreign Language dubs.
http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=17522644&start=17522644&search=foreign+languages
The pertinent parts:

"On the region2 DVD's the crawl is shown in whichever langauge you choose, Swedish, Norweigian & Danish.It's quite funny to see.....for a little while."

"Well, I have the Region 4 DVDs and yes, the crawl is in the language you are watching the movie or in the language the subtitles are; at the theater when I watched the prequels in english (can't remember the SE screening) the crawl was in english, when I watched dubbed to spanish the crawl was on spanish... and on TV (cable and national) it's always in english, with subtitles on it (and once there was a narrator!! that was so funny)... oh, by the way, I'm from Chile..."

If your looking to go all out there are also the Commentary tracks. the ones from the DVDs (Lucas, actors etc.) and there are several fan made:
TPM: http://www.renegadecommentaries.co.uk/commentary.php?movie=9
AotC: http://www.renegadecommentaries.co.uk/commentary.php?movie=10
ANH: http://www.renegadecommentaries.co.uk/commentary.php?movie=22
ESB: http://www.renegadecommentaries.co.uk/commentary.php?movie=23
RotJ: http://www.renegadecommentaries.co.uk/commentary.php?movie=24

http://www.dvdtracks.com/ used to have a bunch of other fan commentaries, but the site seems to be down or gone...
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#100441
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Idea: Can we make Multi-Lingual OT DVDs?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/100441/action/topic#100441
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As a start here's an old article from the OS about the languages the AotC logo was translated into:
http://www.starwars.com/episode-ii/release/promo/news20011102.html
Although this page is just the logo, the audio most likely was dubbed too.
Here's a possible list:
Spanish, Russian, Chinese (Mandarin or Cantonese?), Korean, Japanese, Finish, French, Arabic?, Indian Swahili?, German, Greek, Turkish, Italian, Portuguese, Thai...

Just a collection of the opening crawls in different languages would be neeeto...
another collection possibility is all the language subtitles.

Please post places to buy foreign language versions of english films, if you know of any.
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#100352
Topic
Any Star Wars TV stuff coming up?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/100352/action/topic#100352
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Your local news or one of the entertainment shows over the weekend might recap the story of SW fans waiting at the wrong theater. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/4419365.stm

SW Video games upcoming shows:
X Play : G4 Apr 10 11:00pm & Apr 18 04:30pm Series/Other, 30 Mins. Episode #5002.
``Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords'; ``DragonBall Z Budokai 3.'
Original Airdate: January 18, 2005.

X Play G4 Apr 15 06:30pm Series/Other, 30 Mins. Episode #5015.
``Star Wars Galaxies: Jump to Lightspeed'; ``Grand Theft Auto Advance'; ``Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath'; ``FIFA Street.'
Original Airdate: February 21, 2005.

Screen Savers : Episode #5044 (shows been canceled but maybe it'll replay)
Interview with Feng Zhu RotS Concept Art
http://www.g4tv.com/mediaplayer/index.aspx?video_key=9034
Q&A
http://www.g4tv.com/screensavers/features/51346/Ten_Minutes_with_Feng_Zhu.html

a tv schedule site like http://tv.yahoo.com/ might have an option to send you an e-mail whenever a program is forthcoming with certain words in the title or description, some TIVO services do a similar thing.

Shows to look out for:
The PBS Joseph Campbell/George Lucas Myth special will most likely reair.

George has been on the Charlie Rose show a coupld times. Maybe his most recent appearance from January will replay as the movie gets closer.
http://charlierose.com/shop/showTapesbyguest.asp?intProdID=14311
http://charlierose.com/shop/showTapesbyguest.asp?intProdID=14002

MSNBC has a Headlines and Legends program (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036702/) on weekends where they focus on famous people:
Lucas, Fisher, Ford and others have had programs. Probably a block of SW related programing will happen in May.

As we get closer, expect some late night appearances, the entertainment shows, Larry King maybe, the news...

...and MTV/VH1 might have a video to play 4 times in a row as they did with DotF. (since the soundtrack comes with a DVD [here's a list of the videos on the disc: http://www.jwfan.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=97])
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#63513
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Could Fox release the OT?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/63513/action/topic#63513
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<- -Speculation- ->
What are the chances that Fox could release the Original Trilogy? (besides slim and none) Fox has a contract which gives them sole distribution rights to the Original Trilogy. If Lucas continues to proclaim that his yet even more special editions are the only version he will promote/release/distribute, could that mean that the OT might be considered in the Public Domain, or in Fox's case be controlled by them for at least distribution? Sure it would mean some mean legal entanglements, but i wouldn't put it past a company to attempt something new with their 'hot' "property", maybe a Netflicks-like distribution. Or maybe Fox will figure out how to 'beam' their movies to theaters directly and beat Lucas to his own game.

Lucas did mention that one of the reasons for the current DVDs was that he felt that online piracy was something to contend with and that if he didn't release them now there might not be another chance to gain as much profit. Of course he might have a multilayered plan for the DVDs, which could include the Original Trilogy in a future, after the first 6 release. Has their been any word if Hyperspace might somehow stream a signifant piece of SW lore?

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