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French credit variation: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Preserving-French-Original-Trilogy/post/610825/#TopicPost610825

I've used -1 GOUT data and double checked and nailed them down.  Then extrapolated that into several SE versions.  And have a project almost done which proves the data is valid and helps show the possibilities of working with database values.  I'm having an issues with the DVD authoring so hopefully early next year it'll get released.

The idea of a standard only goes so far.  But once you have one set of values nailed down, it's fairly easy to figure out other versions.  Which then makes a standard irrelevant as you have all variations values figured out.  But i'd love for this grand variation chart to begin with the values from an actual print.

I'm unfamiliar with ReJig and DGIndex, what are you proposing they accomplish?  and how do they go about it?

Let me know what you find, or areas where you think it maybe be better if the values are considered differently. 

Which service are you using to buy your pieces from?  Something like: http://www.bricklink.com Are there places which have the piece spreadsheets ready to go, or did you have to create your own from a scan of the catalog?

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/McCallum-Wishes-OOT-Were-on-Blu-Ray/topic/14346/

Would a reel container which can suck out the air and make a better vacuum seal help?

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/mark-hamill-at-the-sydney-opera-house-20121121-29q7p.html

Mark Hamill explains the story of Star Wars

Once upon a time in a galaxy.....no-one knew what Star Wars was. Mark Hamill, who played Luke Skywalker, tries to explain it in an interview at Sydney Opera House, which is celebrating its 40th anniversary. Footage courtesy: The Opera House Project.

 

It was filmed not long after the movie was released in 1977.

Interesting take on the later films.

Darth Mallwalker wrote: is that v1 or v2 ?

V1.  The tape started to fall apart after the first play, so the v2 capture did not provide an increase in quality even though the machine was cleaned.

Cue marks added to guide: http://fd.noneinc.com/Reel_Changes/Reel_Changes.html

Is there any sense of quality loss in the ITV end credit dissolve?  Would this have been something LFL would supply, or to fit timing, ITV would have snipped the film and created their own dissolve?  I'm assuming ITV would have done their own conversion, figuring out which shots to pan/scan and which to squeeze.  Are there many squeezed shots besides the credits?

Thanks to ,,,^..^,,, who provided Tantive Orange Item captures of the LaserDisc Coffret Trilogie : Edition Collector from 1994.  Their quality (one hard edge the other more faded) is similar to the 1993 Technidisc msycamore captured.

http://fd.noneinc.com/Glitch/starwars-tantiveorangeerrors/starwars-tantiveorangeerrors.html

The multi-angle option i'm attempting to work through.  The main hurdle just solved for a 10 minute section is the multi-angle video needs to be almost exact.  The GOP (Group of Pictures) the i,b,p frames need to be consistant, between sources.  Which is easy if the two videos matched but these do not share any one shot at any one time.  Figured out how to auto insert thousands of compression markers so the two videos which wouldn't normally share common GOP characteristics, now can.  About to find out how bad that affects the video compression.  I'm playing with the minimum being in the high 3's.  So that an H.264, 2hr can fit in 4gb so two full movies can exists in the multi-angle video.  Slow progress, but getting closer to working.

Anyone know any other multi-angle things to consider when making the DVD? 

In several wiki pages, they say that the SW dvds have multi-angle material, but don't remember hearing anyone mention it.  Is this correct?  If yes, which release:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-Video

Chapters and angles

DVD Video may contain chapters for easy navigation (and continuation of a partially watched film). If space permits, it is also possible to include several versions (called "angles") of certain scenes, though today this feature is mostly used—if at all—not to show different angles of the action, but as part of internationalization to, for example, show different language versions of images containing written text, if subtitles will not do (e.g., the Queen's spell book in Snow White, and the scrolling text in the openings of the Star Wars films). Multiple angles have found a niche in markets such as yoga and erotica.

darth_ender wrote: I need a pony.

The right vote can make it happen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d_FvgQ1csE

Many thanks to everyone involved, from those who made the movie, to this prints saving / preservation, to projection, to the facility and the popcorn people, a great time was had by all.

I didn't know what to expect, details were limited.  Was prepared to go in with a few ice breakers.  Had a pair of the SW 3D glasses from the recent TPM3D.  And was wearing the t-shirt of the independent film, 'die Lucas die', which has a big Lucas head with the phrase 'Is this your God' satanically represented.  But once I got there, was shown the equipment, the print, part of the preservation; I was transported somewhere else, there was no reason to pull out the shenanigans.   (plus it was around 50 degrees, wasn't taking off the jacket, too chilly)

There's a reason film has been a viable format for storytelling for over one hundred years, it is a resilient medium.  And this print of Star Wars in this setting showed off those abilities.  To take something that's just over an inch square and thru mechanical projection end up, in this case, six stories high is pretty remarkable.  The film held up and looked glorious.  If you've been following the other threads then you've seen the condition of this print, so even though it's red in places and has green scratches and other inevitabilities of wear, when projected it's largely forgotten.  (we did spot some anomalies, something odd wiped in and out from the right side at one point.) 

Was a chill night, and a loose atmosphere.  Kids ran around before the screen lit up, might have been like the old days, didn't see any of them were pretend lightsabering.  The friends of the theater would stop by the projection booth to say their thanks and chat for a bit.  What's really nice about a local community theater and a event of this type is the projection booth is open.  Those interested could stop by and watch the film unspool.

And as boring as that sounds it turned into a significant distraction.  Stopped in a few times during the showing to see how far along the spliced together film was on the 4 to 5 foot platters.  When you walk around the projector from the right point you get that nice lens flair of the bulb's light breaking through seams of the doors of the machinery, a staple of film documentaries.  There was just enough ambient light to spot dark/light scene changes as the film marched through the multiple exposed reels on it's way to and from the projector.  This film stock has a heavier gauge then what is reproduced today.

Spoke with the preservation and projection folks about the resolution which could be squeezed out of a print like the one shown.  The projected film has a different feel then the monitors/HDTV were used to watching these films on.  Will be interesting the day one of the preservations gets converted back to film.  This print they said would realistically be resolved in the 2K range.  Some tests done at 4K resulted with 10 pixel detail blocks.  Before the screening saw a file of the two 35mm sourced crawls and the work progressed so far.  Some of this work was about improving the capture.  One looked more consistent as the star field didn't fluctuate, while a second parts of the blackness of space would flare up blue.  The joy of digital processing is they said all this could be computed into a more uniform presentation.

Had a mental note of things to pay attention to, missed many of them.  Ran like a fool out of a projection booth conversation to catch the Leia hologram scenes.  Couldn't make them out in this condition.  But seeing the digital scan of the crawl, with the dirt and scratches there, the projection was inconclusive.  The fine lines may have been defined enough back in the day, in prime conditions to show up on screen.  There definitely are lines in old tv monitors, but if they made it to final projection, this was not the day for an answer.  Moments like this are probably what drove Lucas towards digital.  The loss of detail in the Leia holograms scenes could be one of those factors which led to the Theater Alignment Program. 

The main thing which would have drove the Theater Alignment People crazy was that tonights showing's audio was coming from a different source.  Which lead to a few lips moving - sound later moments.  Which lead to a conversation on how in the different mixes certain lines/FX are shifted forward or back in time.  Believe it's Belbucus's comparison file where these can be listened too.  Not sure they've been written down.  

Should be interesting as additional film prints are preserved.  Refined debate about the colors of the Death Star, skin tones, etc.  Influenced by projection equipment and settings.  Other debates like Print Preservation verses Intent of the Filmmakers will occupy us for the next few years.  And the continued debate of what and how was the movie seen when it's popularity expanded.

Was also a time to reflect on the history of film and how society spends much time on the popular titles.  The projectionist had some choice words on the state of film preservation.  How many people clean out an attic and throw away a piece of history, not out of malice but just not understanding what they have.  Partly due to the evolution of technology.  I would hope that the Maker community could team up with the remaining non-digital theaters to spur the film preservation movement.  3D printing could be used to make homemade scanners and hobbyist with a little assistance could help digitize the worlds home and other movies.  Star Wars could be a catalyst for that kind of effort.

Tangents like this are inevitable when you get OTcom like minded folks together.  *swerving widely*  Remember finding usenet in the 90s and read posts about how people remembered seeing the crew reflected in 3po and R2.  This was one of the things I had wanted to verify, but it escaped me.  Did chat about it and the preservationist mentioned how in Empire, Luke's goggles in the Wampa attack is another example.  Speaking of Empire, after the screening some of the crowd asked if an Empire print might be found.  Also ran up to the screen once during the movie and during the end credits.  Looked well detailed, but there's nothing like a side by side comparison.

At the end of the night, watched as the print was returned to it's individual reels.  Little somber as who knows when or if it'll be projected again. 

Wish I could remember more.  Was overwhelmed by giddy kiddie excitement the whole time.  Problem with a reviewer like me is I don't have the past viewing experience.  Know, in the 70s, i'd seen Star Wars in the black and white Library 8mm 20 minute version, but not sure if i'd seen the movie in the theater...  Would have been the re-release around Empire, but i've got better recollections of the Holiday Special in the memory banks.  As a kid, Star Wars for me was linked to Space, NASA and aliens.

This print (thanks to its history of ownership) is doing a good job of holding back the wages of time.  I hope others will be able to experience it in an equally fun communal atmosphere.

Guessing this is where you spotted things:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0231461/reviews

Weird early example of computer animation, 10 February 2006

Author: Alex Gifford from Australia

My friend and I obsessed for years over the identity of the short film we saw, whenever we went to see 'Return Of the Jedi' in the UK in 1985. I remembered the images of the Easter island Head being shot and he remembered the bigger fish swallowing the smaller fish and so on... After a through search I managed to track it down on DVD - and I was not disappointed!! The 'story' is simple, the film tells of the developments of man, and how all we are doing is inventing new and bigger machines and working towards war and our own destruction. But, it's the imagery that always sticks and the often very strange soundtrack. The film was applauded on it's release as it used computers for animation for one of the very first times (how things have advanced), but I remember it as the short film before 'Return Of The Jedi'. Having finally tracked it down I was able to fully relive one of the moments of my youth - and it was good!!

(screenshots are not frame accurate, just the same scene)

MeBeJedi:

Starkiller:

TWC326:

More generic captures: http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/index.html

A tape made it's way through the yahoo SW Cutscenes mailing list.  Think Treadwell got it first and duped it to T-Bone who I think MeBeJedi told me that's where his copy came from.  Can't recall if I sources Starkiller to that same group.

1 of 3 : http://rt.com/news/russy-riot-verdict-release-099/

I wonder how often the archeologists at Pompeii have to deal with people commenting on the amount of dirt.

msycamore wrote: I have pointed out quite a few that's not yet been added. EDIT: noticed that it's based on your spreadsheet.

Spreadsheet is about 1-3 months behind the changes thread's findings.  But for all three movies, don't think it's an additional +10.

Are they based on 005's current list?

Yes, one of the columns of data are the descriptions found in the doubleofive picasa collection.  Have figured out a way to process the spreadsheet and auto input it into After Effects.  Trying to work out a method to spit out an .srt.

msycamore wrote: It's actually the most tinkered with film of the bunch in terms of how many altered shots there are, it just happens to be much more subtle tweaks than the other two.

What we've figured out in the changes thread: shots with visual changes/release

SW: 254/1997 : 137/2004 : 30/2011

ESB: 333/1997 : 206/2004 : 7/2011

RotJ: 180/1997 : 79/2004 : 63/2011

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtjXdIjRQo5NdDJORXlfTDBIN0NaQXlWMk51Q2tOR0E#gid=7

TServo2049 wrote: Does anybody at least have a copy of this bootleg without the macroblocking, or is this it?

TWC326 is from the same source, it maybe one generation above Starkiller/MeBeJedi:

more automated pics here: http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1977-TWC326_SWB-1.html

^ was that in tonight's episode?

When you say first generations, is that one removed from the source reproduction, or is this the believed first copy?  Where did this tape source from geographically?  PAL/NTSC?  One of the main RotJ bootleg stories was the Hastings heist.  Where LFL/Fox put out a bounty for the prints return:  (Babyhum's BH018 has some news reports on the story)

But there were other RotJ's which were lifted.  According to:

http://books.google.com/books?id=MjFL1KbcX_oC&pg=PA122&dq=%22return+of+the+jedi%22+piracy&hl=en&ei=1Xj_Ta2cJI6r0AHhp9ieAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22return%20of%20the%20jedi%22&f=false

During a two-week period in the summer of 1983, the season's blockbuster hit, Return of the Jedi, was stolen five times from cinemas in three states and in Britain to be turned into illegal videocassettes.

Guessing the four US heists created the necessity for the Hastings bounty.

negative1 wrote: zoomed in quite a bit, edges are cropped off (see credits)

Does it match the cropping of Video Collectors' ROTJ_TP and Treadwell's TWC328_ROTJB?  (which share a common origin, but are multiple reproductions away from each other)

http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1983-ROTJ_TP-1.html

http://fd.noneinc.com/Theater_Performance/1983-TWC328_ROTJB-1.html

As this is the time period we live in might as well also mention important Star Wars related youtube videos currently blocked.

Thanks Fox for blocking the Larry Cuba - Electronic Visualization Laboratory (EVL) video of the pioneering work in creating the CGI Death Star sequence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMeSw00n3Ac

Larry Cuba personally wrote about the video in the first comment here:

cuba on March 31, 2008 at 3:26 pm said:

Greetings all.

I have a few comments about this post:

The Video:
This “making of” video was originally
produced for my personal presentations as
I was often asked to explain the process
(back in the 70s and 80s when it was still
obscure).
Lucasfilm was vigilant in protecting its
copyrighted material but OK’d this video at
the time, since i had no intention of
distributing it.
(although copies apparently escaped)
I wonder what they would say, now that the EVL
in Chicago has resurrected it (after 30 years!)
and posted it on YouTube.

http://motionographer.com/2008/03/31/larry-cuba-star-wars-computer-animation/

back up version of the video on:

http://www.movieweb.com/movie/star-wars-episode-iv-a-new-hope/making-of-the-computer-graphics-for-star-wars

If you want it to live host/distribute it yourself.