btw stupid question but is that Gene Wilder?
Donald Sutherland from the 78's remake of 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers'.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077745/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_the_Body_Snatchers_(1978_film)
xhonzi wrote:
Until jive-talkin' yoda and his ballerina twirling Jedi show up.
yeah all the non-main jedi were awful except for Lucas's son. He's the only one who showed (besides caring) that you need to be athletic but more importantly coordinated when portraying a jedi in action.
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Swapped out the audio with the one suggested by Sluggo. The Korngold piece is called "Kings Row", and you'll hear the similarities.
(Audio cross comparison here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AokqzpdA3M )
Also put in some of the Marvel comic since they switched the last two paragraphs. Maybe as the crawl receeds, the images of them filming could be added to fill in the void.
wasn't that one of the criticisms of the Making of SW book, that movie photos were from the SE, but not notated as such? ...i'm probably confusing books...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irGnnyGyHwU&feature=player_embedded
short and swe*thud* "Hey watch it!"
Sorry don't have a larger version, just doing some random searches, pics are mostly coming from resale websites. Some other versions.
or for an alternative look:
Ok new quick and dirty version with Korngold "The Seahawk" soundtrack.
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(note: try not to copy these links, files will be deleted as progress is made. hate dead links.)
Matches the first 2:06 of 'The Seahawk'. speedwise/readability, this length is probably good, might be on the fast side. Problem, is the music swells while nothing new happens on screen. Maybe the transition to the planet should be pushed up. but that would have the music building as the ships arrive.
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So in 010b there's a cut to remove the music swell and have it so the music fade down meets up with the shift down to the planet.
Using the full version A, would allow for a blurb/graphics of the Marvel comic to be dropped in. Also unsure where exactly the music cue should match the first appearance of the "Star Wars" logo? there's a big fanfare around 8 sec. should that match the first appearance of the logo or the first appearance of the crawl text. any old LFL logos to drop in front?
It was a Korngold piece for the score of The Seahawk.
http://www.youtube.com/user/violinthief#p/u/49/C-RPzAbW7No
This sounds like it could be the one in question. Wow 00:40 is just like one of the transitions Williams used. What time start/stops does everyone recommend?
Do you have the working file for the crawl pic? what's the font. can play around in illustrator. I believe I have a scan of the Marvel so if we want to have those graphics also crawl by, maybe that's possible. (probably too goofy)
Puggo's "Stjärnornas Krig" Swedish Edition (if you want top billing)
And as msycamore said it's "Stjärnornas Krig" (thread title is missing a 't')
Someone should even be able to recreate the spacing and such if you look REALLY close at Sluggo's pictures.
In an earlier post Sluggo posted a High resolution image with all the spacing and text worked out.
I've done a version using that image trying to get the right perspective.
It's here: http://noneinc.com/SWB-Crawl_Tests/SWB-Crawl-002.mov
comments welcomed.
Here's some of the article Sluggo was refering too:
http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/star-wars-lost-footage.html
From Starlog #120, July 1987:
This issue was dedicated to the 10th anniversary of "Star Wars." In
it, there is an article by Roy Thomas entitled, "How I Learned to Stop
Worrying and Love 'Star Wars' (Within Limits)" (nice "Strangelove"
homage), which features his recollections of working on the "Star
Wars" comics for Marvel.
"...anyhow, soon Howard, Steve and I were sitting in the front row in
George's private screening room while the Hollywood heavies slouched
further back with George, and the rough cut began.
It opened with a 'crawl' of copy meant to suggest the old Flash
Gordon serials that had influenced the movie. But this was NOT the
crawl with which moviegoers are now familiar, nor was there any 'Long
ago, in a galaxy far, far away' lead-in. Rather, the crawl consisted
of totally different copy telling the movie's backstory. (If you want
to know what it said, all you have to do is pick up a back issue of
Marvel's "Star Wars" #1, since the caption there was taken from that
original crawl. George evidently had last-minute thoughts and changed
it just before the opening. In fact, one ILM worker told me that the
story was that, on opening day, George would probably be in the
projection booth at Mann's, pasting on some last bit of film.) [NOTE:
Original crawl text follows this entry.]
Original opening crawl as published in the Marvel adaption of "Star
Wars" #1:
"It is a period of CIVIL WAR in the galaxy. A brave Alliance of
UNDERGROUND FREEDOM FIGHTERS has challenged the tyranny and oppression
of the awesome GALACTIC EMPIRE. To crush the rebellion once and for
all, the EMPIRE is constructing a sinister new BATTLE STATION.
Powerful enough to destroy an entire planet, its COMPLETION will spell
CERTAIN DOOM for the champions of freedom. Striking from a fortress
hidden among the billion stars of the galaxy, REBEL SPACESHIPS have
won their first victory in a battle with the powerful IMPERIAL
STARFLEET. The Empire fears that ANOTHER defeat could bring a THOUSAND
MORE solar systems into the rebellion, and IMPERIAL CONTROL over the
galaxy would be LOST FOREVER."
Then in came the spaceships. Even in the rough cut and on a
relatively small screen, it was an impressive beginning, and I was
only moderately surprised months later at Mann's Chinese to hear the
shocked gasp of the audience when Big Ship came after Little Ship.
Next, the fight: stormtroopers vs. rebels. But there were no rays
zipping back and forth across the screen in San Anselmo. Just the
flicker of hand-drawn arrows on the film, to show where the FX would
go.
Soon, Darth Vader came on and began to speak--with a British
accent. (This was actor David Prowse's own voice, before James Earl
Jones' sepulchral tones were laid in.)
The movie went on. I noted with chagrin that one scene in the
script--between Luke and some childhood chums, near the beginning--had
been CUT, though it was currently being printed in the comic's first
issue. (And a few irate readers would later castigate us for inserting
things into 'George's Movie.')"
Well I don't know what mikrosopht's objective was when creating, but as the viewer here's some random things which churn in my mind when watching. (I've e-mailed mikrosopht about the thread and my initial impressions, might be one of those creators who just creates)
Like 21-87 (Arthur Lipsett's film which was an inspiration of an young George Lucas) 'Lone Star Destroyers' can be classified as an experimental film. Both films implemented a form of collage to inform a different story/message.
Where they differ is 'Lone Star Destroyers' might rely more on the creation process and how that reinterprets the final displayed image sequence. As a fan of glitch and the methods behind them, seeing the implementation of a process and learning how to reproduce something which at first impression seems irrational, is part of the fun. Having been to experimental and underground film festivals two past methods come to mind. Much of the phun is the doing, trying out playing things in the wrong way and seeing what comes of it.
A. Using an old player with newer codecs. Have a recording of a presentation by a graphic artist guy where he took an (i think) MPEG2 (DVD) version of Tron and played it in an MPEG1 only video player. Because the MPEG1 video player did not understand the regenerative process of the codec, the updated parts would continually show up and without having any complete overall image regenerate. You end up with a fractured image.
B. Another method I learned from a guy at the NYUFF, was he was able to go into the raw video file and remove the keyframe from a sequence. So all you end up with are the partial frame updates, and that leads to the slurring recomposition which is partially happening in 'Lone Star Destroyers'. An pay on this would be to switch the keyframe from one sequence with the regenerative frames from another sequence and this could produce a lot of the slurring seen.
Another methodology which could have been used in this film is compression and recompression. If you take a video and purposely apply high compression rates, then reprocess back to full resolution and back and forth, you can take advantage of artifacting to produce results which as the title implies, you might only get under the influence of mind altering substances.
So that's part of the story. The other half is then why 'Star Wars'. mikrosopht's obviously used the DVDs. Maybe this was done out of ease and the need for a digital copy, but since the other material in the film allude to other less popular aspects of Star Wars lore (Radio Drama and Holiday Special) maybe mikrosopht shares this places disdain for the DVD presentation. Or just an affection for the early years of the Star Wars. The part of the Holiday Special which is used, Diahann Carroll's "This Moment Now" which used video feedback techniques to produce similarly hallucinogenic results, is a nice nod to the past but also works well as audio accompanyment.
Glitch culture spends most of it's time finding imperfections and instead of surpressing them, make them the focal point with results that often defy imagination and linear story telling. But it can produce some very unique moments which will eventually get incorporated into traditional film making somehow. For instance the sequence in 'Lone Star Destroyer' of Ben in the cantina (10:50) and his head keeps flipping up, could make for an interesting sequence in a Lynch film. Also love the Leia 'eye blink' sequence. (12:40) which leaves you with ghosted silouhette as she's drugged by Vader.
So besides experimental films these techniques are used by VJ who create backdrops for DJs and other musical acts. 'Lone Star Destroyer' seems more of a in house production. video masturbation in a sense. Another aspect of glitch is being able to do this on the fly and have continually evolving results. Making a system which can infect itself but not to the point of termination.
Would have liked a little more variety in the audio interpretation, but that's a minor quibble. The video techniques out excel the audio manipulations, which often seem like backdrop instead of part of the interaction. Like towards the end there's a long passage of minimalist audio almost motor whirling sounds. This reminds me of how when working on creating glitch, there's often long stretches of zero useful results, then you get these bursts of findings. Also really like the R2 smudge where things bleed/blur into the shape of the x-wing. (29:15)
Maybe because i'm really square and don't do drugs or alcohol, films like these are my only experiences with this type of imagery. Yeah it's not for everyone, but with the amount of fan film culture SW has produced this is a rare (and great) example of an experimental view of this culture. Plus with all the different LFL variation, preservations and fan edits it's just a nice respite from tradition. I find it really neeto.
....and if Emperor Hog still doesn't want to play fair...
Bacon AT-AT Awesome?
How could the second try possibly fail...
How about Emperor Hog Awesome?!
This is a Dark Empire Emperor Hog clone, btw.
How about Emperor Hog Awesome?
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda wrote:
With all due respect, you have yet to provide a single reason why we should be rushing to meet you.
One thing going for Rattlehead is the 2004 join date. But going against are multiple posts, looking for stuff. (the OT.com old post pruning limits what we can remember about this user)
It's a crap shoot. Strong personalities could lead to results, but some posting finesse might have made this thread already old news. Odd to meet at the most expensive place on earth.
"I've just outed myself as a Star Wars Preservationist,
I'm going to Disneywo... hey who are you, you want what?!"
But is it "Panasonic Panacolor X" Awesome?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE5XBtEuQhU
Crack the Cardboard - Bret Hart
oh yeah the hit man sent me.
http://mikrosopht.godxiliary.com/LSD/
but this is worthy of it's own thread so post comments here:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Lone-Star-Destroyers-by-mikrosopht-2010/topic/11953/
http://mikrosopht.godxiliary.com/LSD/
27 Audio Files & A Short Film - Freedom To The Galaxy
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none's description : Glitch investigation of the Star Wars digital compressions.
pure phucking awesome
doubleofive brings up in the '35 years of ILM' thread, another issue maybe worth having a page toward. The idea that articles, books, documentaries praise the advancements in technology the OT made, but then they show a picture from the SE. Having a page of these circumstances could be a convincing way to show how LFL is attempting to subvert the originals.
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/35-years-of-impossible-ILM-visual-effects-article-on-CNET/topic/11949/
Since this is anticipation of an upcoming documentary:
Encore commissioned a one-hour documentary about ILM, made by Oscar- and Emmy-winning director Leslie Iwerks, which is airing on Nov. 14.
This could be a very opportune moment to push this message.
Generally was lots of phun being completely spoiled following the production leaks. Attempting to piece together the story from fragments and speculation.
In AotC, when Obi-wan is questioning Jango on Kamino, very reminiscent of a wild west stare down or a cop interviewing the perp he 'knows' did it but doesn't have the proof which could hold up in court.
In RotS, the shots when Padme is looking at the Jedi Temple, while Anakin, in the Jedi Temple looks back at Padme's apartment's building. A nice slow contemplative moment before he makes some screwed up decisions.
"The Un-Lost Cut"!
Your link to "Attack of the Show" is dead.
Here's the link update:
http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/theloop/62851/The-Loop-Week-In-Review.html
Also am getting the malicious site warning. Don't see any scripts in the main html, but can't easily track all the references. Might want to revisit the pages which you copied from and that might give you a clue which is causing the problem. The script exploit must have become aware to Firefox and now a bunch of sites are getting taken down because of it.
This is a public forum, like the preservation topic this thread once was about, they don't get locked or cancelled, discussion just wains... sometimes permanently. There are two common reasons topics get locked when discussion is out of control (to cool heads), or the moderators/owner have had their final say on an issue. Both are uncommon.
Even if you are no longer able to maintain the ideas of the thread, someone else might step up, so revising from 'My Knowledge is power campaign' to 'Knowledge is power campaign' could have been enough, instead you've drawn attention to your cancellation, yet again as Frink pointed out. This is an issue for you and your psychologist to discuss.