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Hal 9000 said:

I remain open, but I’m probably not going to change the ‘Rey Skywalker’ angle. I don’t want to do anything dodgy in the very final scene. My approach tends to be fairly conservative, after all.

If this was some Indy film then “just Rey,” sure. Rey calling herself Skywalker shows she has finally accepted the love of a real family (Leia is a Skywalker and her mother figure) and gives you that good feeling in the pit of your stomach. I don’t think changing it to just Rey is an improvement for this scene or as a finale as it lacks impact.

Ah I’ve never heard the Lego TFA dialogue.

DominicCobb said:

They were nobody:
https://vimeo.com/414948227

Holy shit! The best non-Adam Driver Kylo replacement dialogue by far. Perfectly blended, very convincing. A little heavy on the reverb on the word “Power.” Was the line “I can sense it” taken from Driver!!1??? I can’t tell. I want to say no but it sounds like him.

Hal 9000 said:

Skenera, nice!! That looks better than I thought it would, even.

And poppasketti already did a good “you were right” a few pages back. He recorded himself, modulated it, and overlaid it with a few authentic Kylo Ren consonant sounds. The man’s a genius.

I saw that one and thought it was being reworked some more…?

skenera that yellow lightning looks perfect. How did you do it so quickly?

Hal, I see what you mean about the “I never lied to you” conundrum. The dialogue there just sucks everything into its asinine vortex. Constructing a believable “you were right” was too difficult. For my edit I’m doing a little snipping and moving like this:

https://youtu.be/dtQ4KVnS71k

Yep should have just had Rian continue directing using the trashed screenplay. But I do like TROS, even with all its shortcomings as the weakest part of the new trilogy. I like it enough to do something with it as it is. I think I toned down Finn enough to be likable now. And I’m ok with how the Rey arc ends on Tatooine. Now if someone wants to matte out the Jawas and make some unmarked graves in the Jakku desert as Rey flies in the Falcon, I’d be willing to take a look. But that’s not going to change things enough to be worth it imo.

EddieDean, I liked The Last Jedi and all of its unexpected directions. I had no real problem with Holdo (other than that actress being slightly annoying). Though I understand why people would rather have had Akbar conduct the Holdo maneuver. Still, when Holdo split the Star Destroyer in half, I though it was awesome. Like Kylo Ren, I’m ok with letting the past die, so I have no hard-on for Ackbar or other talking crustaceans.

EDIT: Also the way the actor who played Ackbar was treated on set was pretty shitty. So while Rian did a good job, I prefer Poppasketti’s version taking away the iron joke and the other things that show how out of touch Rian was.

Hal 9000 said:

All of those arcs seem to have been addressed to my satisfaction in TFA and/or TLJ. At least one twice already.

I agree that the arcs could have been done differently and better. But the arcs are there in TROS.

Poe was just beginning to be a leader at the end of TLJ. He wasn’t fully arced. This completed in TROS.

Finn really knew nothing about the force at the end of TLJ, though TROS kind of screwed up his force/Jedi arc by doing nothing with this. If he could somehow make the cannons fire at the Star Destroyer using the force without Jannah plugging it in! Either that or kill him at the end.

Rey’s arc in TROS was facing her family issues head on. Rey Skywalker is the end of her arc.

This is very different than where we left these characters at the end of TLJ. It’s arcs, just maybe ones that do not satisfy some people. If that’s the really the case, probably stop trying to make this film into something it cannot be.

jonh said:

Palpatine may be cheating on him with the sacrifice because he knows that Ben will go to her, and palpatine what he wants is their Force, to heal

In which case the faneditor would need to remove Palpatine’s surprise when he is healed by their energy.

Anakin Starkiller said:

TBF, nobody has freaking arc in this film.

Poe’s arc… from hothead flyboy to responsible general.
Finn’s arc… from victim of the empire and all alone, to force sensitive leader who teams up with other victims to topple it.
Rey’s arc… from someone who is lost, drawn to darkness, and doesn’t know her place or have a family to someone who chooses good, has a family, and presumably becomes the leader of a new Jedi Order.

If that’s not an arc… I don’t know what an arc is then.

Maybe it’s just not the arc you would have written.

RogueLeader said:

@nl0428 Palpatine didn’t really want Rey to take over the Empire for him, he wanted her to kill him in order for his spirit to possess her body.

Yeah, how does that explain how Plutt ended up with Rey?

In the official TROS retcon release Plutt was a person to hide Rey from Ochi through acrobatic shenanigans.

In my edit Plutt ends up as the obvious middleman slavetrader happy to take the bounty for Rey going to Palpatine, except Ochi never shows.

Well Palpatine doesn’t pick up the goods himself of course. But he put a bounty on her (or whatever) and she was retrieved, her parents knowing the ultimate end.
So yes uncle Plutt was an intermediary.

nl0428 said:
The second thing that I was going to ask is if it’s possible to maybe create early work prints of an edit of Episode IX to maybe help get a good view on what the edit could be about. Maybe it’s too early and we should just continue to work with just clips, but how would anyone feel about this?

nl0428 here’s my Workprint. I would be very interested in seeing others. Especially Dom’s.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Rise-of-Skywalker-RESURGENCE-Workprint-Released/id/72192

idir_hh said:

krausfadr said:

That might be so, but for the audience it’s so convoluted that its better to keep it simple.

I’m fine with Palpatine telling Ren to kill the girl even though he may have other plans for her alive. I don’t lowbrow my edits.

EDIT: The better choice would be to get rid of the whole “make the sacrifice” shit at the end. But that’s easier said than done since it would remove the entire impact of Rey force passing the saber to Ren. Also while editing I did tinker with cutting off the word dead so Ren says “Do you know why the Emperor’s always wanted you?” And the results sucked. Someone might be able to get it to work but they would need to find a sentence spoken by masked Ren that he ends with the word “you” in just the right cadence.

Ren is under the impression that Palpatine always wanted her dead. He can only say what he knows/believes. It may in fact be the case Palpatine has alternate plans or lies about his intentions.

EDIT: It’s not revealed to anyone that Palpatine wanted her alive until cone-face spills the beans. At first I was going to do an edit where Paplatine’s complete intentions were clear from the beginning. But the story plays better if Ren believes he needs to kill Rey to satisfy Palpatine.

Here is how I raised the stakes/impact to this Rey-Ren confrontation while removing the whole Palpatine killed your parents storyline.

Ren reveals Rey’s parents sold her to Palpatine. So not only did they not care, they were leaving her presumably to face a horrible death.

https://youtu.be/MUVlpSKSH0Y

https://vimeo.com/414731814
password:tros

a quick test, the first shot is from the battlefront, the other 2 still images, but as a concept of the idea …
I don’t know how it can be on video. I will have to do the test hahaha

This is brilliant. I would have the holograms of young Luke, Leia, and Han flicker. Then Luke and Han flicker off, leaving only a young Leia for the final shot of this scene. Or otherwise dolly the camera forward just so she is in frame. This for me is better than a purple lightsaber.

It might be too much fan service though I don’t know anymore.

RogueLeader said:

I was worried about the same thing, but after seeing some test clips from a few people, I actually think it is doable. Once people start sharing more of what they’ve worked on, I think we’ll actually be surprised by how easy it is to make the movie work without it.

I guess we’ll see though!

I removed Rey Palpatine in my Workprint. And her arc still works. She’s battling her pull to the dark side, and she doesn’t have to be a Palpatine for that. She learns the worst news that her parents sold her to Palpatine to be killed. And also that she killed her own parents by crashing their ship.

For my edit, I wanted really wanted to try and play around with the ideas below but was not able to. If anyone else has ideas how to implement anything like this let me know:

Have Finn sacrifice himself at the end (but the group hug is great and hard to cut).
Have Finn be the one who destroys the Star Destroyer bridge, and he uses the force to do it.
Leia force heals Ben through Rey.

NeverarGreat said:

It’s not whether they have answers or not but whether these moments feel genuine. I was pointing them out because where these moments might feel natural in another film, here they feel like little more than a string of actions placed on film purely for the audience and not for Rey herself.

Now that’s a thought I respect.

That’s some great vfx poppasketti I did a double take

TROS: Resurgence workprint is released. PM me for link. Details of changes in summary on main page.

TROS: Resurgence Workprint is released. See link below. Anything someone likes feel free to use. Side note: I didn’t need to use Kylo’s line to Rey “You were right” in my edit but I did attempt to construct it from his helmeted dialogue while I was at it just for shits and giggles. It was very difficult with no good (only overly robotic) results.

Here’s more info on the workprint:

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Rise-of-Skywalker-RESURGENCE-Workprint-Released/id/72192

In summary, this edit features:
-Rey Nobody

-Rey killed her parents

-Kylo lives

-Complete restructure to move the Emperor reveal to later

-Ren is so tormented by visions of his father that he destroys Corellia, planet destruction moved to the beginning

-Finn is more serious and no longer flamboyantly sassy most of the time

-Jannah’s presence reduced so she is no longer a main character

-No Klaud

-Made the Rey-TIE Fighter showdown more like the trailer
-And quite a bit more

NeverarGreat said:

It’s an improvement, but damn that scene gets worse each time I see it. Every moment feels either subtly or explicitly wrong.

Why is Rey going to the homestead?
Why is BB-8 acting like it belongs to Rey instead of Poe?
Why is Rey riding down the sand like it’s a treasured childhood memory instead of a reminder of her painful past?
Why does Rey go down into the empty house at all if she goes back outside to bury the sabers?
Why does Rey bury the sabers?
Why does she activate her own saber and look at it? Does she just like admiring her own work that much?
Why does a woman suddenly appear in a place where ‘there has been nobody for so long’, and ask about Rey’s last name? Were the Lars family her friends? If so how would Rey’s Skywalker pronouncement mean anything to her?
Why do Luke and Leia appear to her in this moment and not Ben?
Why does Rey turn away from the old woman, who clearly wants to talk to someone, to go stare at the binary sunrise?

Answers:
Rey goes to Tatooine bury Master Skywalker’s lightsaber where he lived.
Rey kind of adopted BB-8 back on Jakku. He’s like a little dog, obedient to a few owners.
Sliding down the sand is a callback to her desert roots, she will never forget where she comes from.
Rey goes down into the house out of curiosity to see where the legend grew up.
Rey buries the sabers to pay respects and show the old ways are ending.
Activating her own saber once again shows we are moving forward out of the old ways. Jedis probably look at their sabers a few time after they make them.
An old woman suddenly appears because she is nosy and saw the Falcon flying near her dwelling.
A nosy person might want to know your last name.
Luke and Leia appear in the moment because they symbolize the twin suns of Tatooine. Adding Ben would be cool, but so far it has not been done well.
Rey turns to the sunrise because time has passed.