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Shot list for this edit…Working on the Indy series at the moment and will probably focus on that till year end, but I do often jump back into starwars and finish a few scenes. Checked ones in the PDF are complete, but most are started and already edited on the timeline. Figured I would share this out for those interested in how this one is coming along.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AX6MRfu-M66kw4Z8cy824oaK-AW-rnN1/view?usp=sharing

Finally got to watch. Nice work here. I kind of knew going into it that it would be the more raw Renegade Grindhouse version look, which clearly makes it easy to slice in the deleted scenes.

The extra bacta tank scene colorized seemed to be a half and half of red and blue tint (almost a 3D anaglyph feel) as opposed to your other colorized style. I think that was your first years ago maybe?..not sure at this point if worth it to try and do another pass, but it’s a tough scene too from a colorization standpoint.

Creative use of the General veers death. I decided not to even try that in my extended I am still working on due to the storyboard and cartoon elements, but you edited in what you could from that and it worked. I get now why the falling at-at had black smoke around it head crashing due to that removed scene…thought it worked well.

…The restored first kiss looks good, I decided to exclude out of mine and have first kiss be the deleted bespin scene with them, which was decent quality and no coloring required…but either works to include. Not sure if you can use any of that deleted scene minus the kiss or work with it?..just a thought for an additional.

There are also some additional hoth battle scenes (with the canon tank) etc. that you may want to use…For me, I am still deciding if I want to restore them as they are lower quality, but might be ok for grindhouse look.

My personal taste is the adywan/modern/clean version, but I understand what this is trying to achieve and if you do the same for New hope and jedi it will be interesting and very retro and nostalgic way to do a viewing.

Again nice job so far.

same here…how do we view? would you be giving a link via PM?

All, I have made additional major changes to my original KOTSC (in a new V2 version-see new edits below)

-Re-edited the introduction of Indy so he, (the main character) is presented first and Mac is second. This is for franchise consistency where we usually see him right away and not some other guy - This is really how it should be in hero movies in general and this was a really good observation from an editor on Youtube.

-Added back “Not as easy as it used to be” and put hands down line as after watching it I did not mind it and hits on the getting older motif.

-Removed the Flying Fridge sequence and Nuke survival. This is a BIG one…Ok. So I tried to watch it over and over again, but could not live with it or felt it was something I had to sit through and wait for it to end. Even after all these years, it is still out of place. I did some edits in the base as well to have them not mentioning the fridge and surviving it.

-To stick with the theme of every other Indy movie having the main artifact from the last movie easter egg (making it every movie that does a call back in my versions), I have added the grail leap of faith painting in the background of Indy’s home office when he is talking to Charles.

-Removed an extra repeated shot of the male prisoner in the insane asylum when Mut walks by, it was almost the same shot twice and did not match the timing of Mutt walking by and looking back at the man when it is shown twice.

-Removed an extra “Help” joke line from Indy to Oxley (of the total 5 that are repeating like an old comedy skit.) Only 1 " Help go now and it’s to help Mutt not go get help, which would not make any sense as the only other ones out there are the Russians .

-Returned some of the quick sand discussion about Mutt being Indy’s son to keep canon with DOD. Honestly at this point it does not matter if he is Indy’s real or step-son since Indy Marries Marion at the end. Added it back to please those that did want Indy to of have a biological relation with Mutt. Personally, I felt that the “real son” relationship in KOTCS was weak and and not developed out at all. In Dial, Mutt is just gone (or rather killed off)…anyway. It’s only a quick mention here.

-Another tie-in returns to Mutt being Indy’s son when in the truck. Here Mutt learns the truth, but the scene is edited shorter as in the theatrical, it kept going on with some very odd dialogue…removed the “You bet I am” line and mutt talking about the staying in school. In the theatrical he hears he is Indy’s son, but than kind of keeps talking which was odd. Edit just to clean things up a bit for this scene.

-When Indy and Marion are in the driver’s seat of the truck and Indy explains what they are going to do next (Indy usually makes it up as he goes along). There was a lot of extra dialogue here and have changed to him just saying “Grab the wheel” when she comes up. In the original, it felt like he was giving a scripted play by play of what they will do next which felt very off.

-Shortened the fight scene with the big guy, where a total of 23 punches are exchanged and 3 hits with a log/branch. It’s very long keeps going and going with them punching each other over and over. It’s like a loop. This one is again courtesy of an editor on Youtube.

-Edited so the tree does not hold the amphibious vehicle in a controlled catch so much (catches it and slows it down as they exit into the water)

-Shortened between the 2nd and 3rd water fall by just a few seconds as it had some dead time.

-Added the R2D2 and C3PO easter egg carving on the Inter-dimensional being’s throne. This is a real easter egg, but not really visible on 4K or HD version or easy to pick out and it is still only a second in my version but I did want to add it in. It is right when the temple starts crumbling and the closest shot of a chair and you see a piece of debris fall by the skeletons left foot. The carving is on the far right. Many have said the star wars reference of Skull was Indy saying I have a bad feeling about this, but I felt this one was better and needed to be there as the other are “visual” eggs.

-Changed the ending saucer scene to where you barely see the saucer for a second. It is almost as if you are not sure what you see before it disappears, which I think makes the interdimensional beings less “saucer men” and makes it so Indy still can say that he has “seen things he can’t explain” as opposed to being so much in your face with crystal clear CG.

I am also working in tandem on the 3D version of KOTCS (of this version 2), for those that want it and can play this full color full HD format, It will be after my Raiders release though.
This will be my final version of this film, at least for a while.
I feel this has tightened things up quite a bit and has made the film much more enjoyable.

Again, A major call out to 15MaF as this is still 60% of his fixes, which had I would say 50+ edits not mentioned here. We really owe him credit for taking charge on this one and making all this possible because Crystal Skull has certainly needed the most work.

If you still want the Fridge and the others stuff I removed, Version 1 link should still work, but I think this version now fits the series.

Update
Making progress here on version 1 and below is final shot list with thumbnails/examples taken from still shots/finished scenes can be found below in the PDF link.
This is the shot list for both versions (version 2 is denoted by "V2 - "):
-Top images in compare shots are the new changes and checked items in the shot list are completed edits.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CbGJXf8ohI-xM0DW8KPlX9f56kfR8z30/view?usp=sharing

TOD 3D is finally complete. PM me if you want a link. Sorry took so long, the movie has a lot of movement and depth that was a challenge to track and work with, but I think it turned out well and the movie is a good candidate for 3D. You will need to support SBS 3D. I use Potplayer for my 3D movies from PC, but if you can play the MP4 from VR or playstation etc, it should also work.

dacizbak said:

May i please get the link via PM? Thank you!!

Will sending PM tonight after work.

stretch009 said:

Ooops, you already sent it. Thank you very much!

Your welcome…and wow you have a fast download if 1 minutes for 12 GB 😃…I guess I was thinking my upload time I had, which is ridiculous slow where I live (takes all night for 12GB upload… download is much faster)… Shooting for 3D TOD to be uploaded tomorrow night, for those who may be interested. I know I keep delaying this version, but for TOD I went back and re-did ~12 scenes in stereo 3D Side by Side to fix some things using a much better 3D conversion tool that uses AI to figure out all the depth of each frame. It is coming along to where I am happy with it.

Here is the shot list as PDF…hopefully in 2 weeks…finishing TOD 3d version for upload tonight or tomorrow night…then this in 2D first than 3D, than Raiders version 1.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ljcZDKp3bliv1im0IE1kwFmqsvG77yrw/view?usp=sharing

Some of the edits from above, I see they fixed in the latest blueray (#3, 10,11 and 12) and some like face-to-face with Hitler it was not that noticeable when I looked at …might go back later and look, but mainly going after the main changes. For the most part this one is pretty solid as is…not much to fix IMO.

stretch009 said:

“All, I now have a final 2D version of TOD Ultimate for a while.”

Is it the same link as before? (Gdrive,12.1 GB, “Temple Of Doom Ultrimate.mp4”)

No it’s Temple Of Doom Ultrimate_V2.mp4

but it is just those 2 changes posted. Might not be worth the 12GB unless you let it run overnight, but up to you if you want for those 2 tweaks.

All, I now have a final 2D version of TOD Ultimate for a while. I have made the following changes

1. Smoothed the cut when Indy looks up at the detailed skins after seeing the cobra statue, to instead it is smoother and as if he is looking back at Marion and Shortround (based on feedback to look at this certain edit point by user on this forum “MoviesGamesMusic”)
2. Removed the reference about having her heart ripped out at the end by Willie – since in this PG version that does not occur.

The 3D version also is almost complete (ready EOW) and will have these last changes as well.

Some have also inquired about a version of this, but with the PG-13 intense/darker shock scenes back. I can do this, cause the footage is still on the hard drive, but it will be awhile, as I have the other Indy movies I am working on and Star wars 4-8 versions that would take precedence.

My last Crusade release should also be in a few days along with an updated KOTCS version

DavidSeleznovas said:

So much grain has been removed.
Do you plan on releasing a version with all the edited clips and audio, with the coloring but without the AI enhancements or DNR? : )

The coloring is using AI enhancement and some of image correction or exposure tweaks are just curve adjusted fixes, the grain removal and dust and scratches are by hand. I will not be releasing a grainy version to revert it all back, but if you are trying to match grain version like a grindhouse version or something, it would not be too difficult to apply a filter to mimic or match up with something like that (and keep the color for B/W scenes). The extended version I am working on is to match adywan level of clean print, but I do know premier and maybe final cut editing software has a match grain filter, so maybe when this is all done you could match the color/grain over to your liking.

Slavicuss said:

Very nice. Looks real good!

Thanks! leftshoe18 and Slavicuss

So to follow up with my other Indy films, I have started working on Raiders of the Lost Ark which is similar to my extended Star Wars “X” versions. This version consist of a significant amount of deleted scenes and small tweaks worthy of being called an extended version.
Version 1 will come out 11/15/2023 with others to follow and hope to have the full version 2.0 of this completed in 2025.

Rather than have a post that is long to read, I have condensed the changes into a PDF shotlist that if you periodically check back I will be updating.

Here are the specs though:
Raiders Of the Lost Ark-X
• 59 extra restored scenes or corrected shots (final res, 2K)
• Bluray 2K as the base except where noted using the Wowow version
• 5.1 audio

Below is a link to the latest --6/10
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gAUSRGFmFMHpOTdD8OqQZD-qPDdnvd05/view?usp=sharing

Updated the sabre scene to have the beam match the color FX better to match of when we see Luke at Bespin. Based off of suggestions by Slavicuss in June. Finally got around to finishing. New Compare video below

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cSe6Pco4-frcm_IXf9pgbs1OGNKe9rPJ/view?usp=sharing

All, temple of Doom in 3D is complete, but the software I use gets things right about 90% as it converts. I have some newer software for 3D conversion coming much later this year around end of November and will tweak some of the tough scenes that seem to struggle with motion and picking out the correct depth. New software is part AI and part manual adjustment to dial things in, so I thing it will be worth the wait.
I will probably hold of on finishing Crusade and Skull in 3D until then as well. If anyone wants TOD 3D now to watch, just PM me, but I may be best to wait if you want it as close to optimal 3D as it can get.
As mentioned, these are SBS full color 3D versions. You need either a projector, VR headset or TV that your computer can play back the 3D MP4 file. I recommend Potplayer which seems to be the best 3D player for computer IMO.
You can also use VLC player Tools/anaglyph to watch SBS 3D with the ole red and cyan glasses (converts it real-time).

https://docs.videolan.me/vlc-user/3.0/en/advanced/player/3d_display.html

While this is more “old school” 3D, it may not be that bad for Temple of Doom since it is dark and has a lot of red or brown scenes which translate well with these type of glasses.

Sample image if you have red/cyan glasses currently:

If this is the only way your have to watch It may be worth checking out. I use the VLC player way for doing quick test of depth so it’s not actually bad since software translate better than what was out in the 50s and 60s. I do highly recommend getting a plastic pair of glasses at $3-$4 each though verses cardboard quality matters

https://www.amazon.com/Tartelette-Anaglyph-Glasses-Game-extra-Upgrade/dp/B01JUSZVXS/ref=sr_1_19?crid=2SKHP6P54YXC8&keywords=analgraph+3d+glasses&qid=1689344893&sprefix=analgraph+3d+glasse%2Caps%2C200&sr=8-19
Anyway just an update on that.

MoviesGamesMusic said:

Hi there

Please let me know your thoughts on these points.

Thanks and congrats on releasing your edit.

All good feedback …made changes, but I have a few tweaks to do on #3…will do in a bit and upload replacement file later tonight and let know what I changed. Thanks again for the feedback, those are all good suggestions.

Update
Suggestions made by MoviesGamesMusic above have been implemented and the the same PM links given should work in the morning 7/6/2023(6 hour upload to go)…than can be re-downloaded as the same file and will have these edits…

1. Audio fix to not be as abrupt. Did remove the .25 sec shot of Mola R head with the helmet back on. The shot should now be smooth w/smooth audio and fix what was pointed out.
2. Repeat shot of short round whipped removed, cuts to mola R walking with the skull cup…pretty much like suggested. Looks better now per recommendation
3. More covering on indy from water some shadow and edge fix, but probably not much people would notice. Just less arm and hand of indy through the water. This actually did not show more than the original as I did a frame by frame overlay, but since a lot of water, less indy behind it. If someday there is a way to make indy live action verses CG/a figure etc. would be better not sure why ILM chose to do such a fake looking CG indy version just shooting Harrison like in the shot prior, I would think it would not have been that hard. Tweaked some, but this was one that happens so fast anyway.
4. Really like the suggestion on this one and completely forgot about short round’s line and lip movement in the shot below. Per suggestion, this really works better removing that and just cutting the scene omitting that line and shot. Since edit, I did show less of the hand going for the heart and what you see is Indy hand grabbing Mola R. The scene goes to willie and short round reaction as normal, good suggestion here.

Hope these tweaks polish it a little more …thx MoviesGamesMusic!

Since I did a TOD and KOCS, figured I might as well do some edits for Crusade before I convert to 3D version. Here are the planned edits

1. When the lead bandit opens the magic cart door to find young Indy running away on the track, a crew member wearing a white shirt can be seen reflected on the door. Removing crew.
2. When Indy walks into his 1938 home to meet Brody, there is a modern duel light switch right of the front door - replaced with pushbutton switch that would have been more likely at the time.
3. When walking up stairs and see Zeppelin for first time, sky is more cloudy then normal for the next shot and + bad compositing - fixing some of the lines
4. During the “What happens at 11 o’clock?” joke, Jr. counts down (“12, 11, 10!” or something like that) with his hand, matte lines surround his hand and face to the point where very noticeable. Henry also has many black lines on hands - Fixing
5. Fixing the point after Henry blows the tail of the plane in which they were flying to pieces in an attempt to shoot at the Germans, to which The next moment the plane is shown flying in the distance we see its tail still intact. - 2 Shots being fixed with FX.
6. The “P” letter like tile on the booby trap floor moves/shift when stepped on then goes back in a shot - FX fix.
7. cup not gold interior when pouring to fix Henry’s wound - FX to correct.

Indiana jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull a 15MaF revisit (2D and 3D)

First off, this is my edit of Skull based on 15MaF’s excellent version as a base plus one 1 partial addition from MMP. This cut has some of my own changes and I also plan to do a 3D version.

As a reminder to what 15MaF’s version is, see below a summary (obviously he has tons of changes (I think around 40), with below being some of them high level)…you can also look for his post. Really his version is amazing with his changes.

• Mutt is not indys son
• Limited if any CG gopher shots
• No shower scene
• No monkeys, tarzan swinging and a smack in the nuts for mutt
• No grab the rope joke
• 1 alien and it never really transverses to our dimension, but stays in the fringe of the two dimensions
• As temple falls apart more shutter FX and more apparent that the temple is being sucked into another dimension

MMP’s change:

• Placed back in the Quicksand scene but no “grab the rope” joke. I think MMP was the few edits that had it back in (can’t remember)

My additional edits for V1:

1. Added in the single CGI gopher in the beginning so you understand what the hill is from and you see them all scamper in the next shot anyway. Gone from rest of movie though (as we don’t need to it 3X). Could have went either way on this.
2. Added back in Wubble U’s line as that did not bother me as much as it did for others.
3. Added in the scene where they blow open the hangar doors only because I had already converted to 3D in the 3D version of this scene prior and did not care either way how they open the door. The blowing the circuit right then and there is fine with me.
4. Added back in “thought that was closer” as it never bothered me and fits Indy’s “It’s not the years it’s the mileage” motif.
5. Cut the scene short where he tries to take a drink out of the sink in the house that does not work, but then yet outside all the sprinklers (or is it the neighbor’s water works) which seemed like bad editing to me.
6. Cut Howdy Duty music and being broadcasted way out there on the TV as it is silly to an already silly scene and not sure why they needed a TV turned anyway. In a few seconds of shots TV is on still, just not with a kids a program (mostly static-added static in background slightly). The music was the annoying part for me.
7. Added in the chase where they hit the Brody statue, but fixed so the head does not wobble off cleanly. More of the car hitting the statue is shown. This obviously would have been a 1 piece metal statue and would not severe like that and only at the head. It cuts back when you see Mutt and Indy’s expression.

8. Added in more from the original leading up to quicksand scene since that was going to be there and so it shows them escaping to get that point.
9. In the quicksand scene, took out Indy saying “son” to Mutt when his back is turned and throwing the snake away. This required some FX work for his lips to not move as well. Mutt does not hear this line in the film anyway. This is to match 15MaF’s “Mutt” is not Indy’s son idea". Be interesting to see what the new movie says about this one as it is said it will explain why Mutt is not in the movie (hopefully no son references). I have not seen dial yet, so no comments/spoilers about that here yet please.
10. Added Mutt and the real “raiders” type monkey that stares him down when he first grabs the vine, but no CG monkeys (which looked nothing like that monkey or even real monkeys for that matter). When he looks up it cuts back to the action.
11. Removed all CG moving monkeys with AI removal techniques (pinkish purple brush in screen shot below) for a few quick scenes returned, showing that Mutt swung his way back, but kept shots where he is less in the air and more on a large branch (less silly air time), timed it so it seemed like his shortcut fit the pacing of the cliff scene when he comes back into the vehicle. Just felt hard to remove it completely and have a gap of him missing and then show up.
12. Very quick removal of vehicle shots to shorten it even more as far as timing when Mutt returns. I think the timing works now. It felt odd that he came out of nowhere in some fan edits. After digital removing most of the swinging, all CGI monkeys with an AI brush and major shortening, it works much better now IMO.
    
    
13. Added the whole 3 times it drops back. It’s not that bad and kind of adds some jones comedy. Did take out “put it in reverse” before they go over as I have to think Indy knows they cannot go backwards at that point. Always found that a bad line that didn’t work at all.

I have reached out to 15MaF to see about reposting this (sharing via PM), but have not heard back. Originally felt weird posting an edit with just 13 changes (even though I think they are significant), but now that I am considering a version 2 with many more edits, I think it is getting more of a unique edit. Still do want to make it clear the credit goes out to 15MaF were due, because like I said, it basically 80% of his version as a base. I think those edits took some serious hours to do especially his or her color correcting and attention to detail.

2D version is done and I am uploading to gdrive now, so it might be morning before it drops. PM me if you want a link.

I believe to follow rules, I am suppose to give disclaimer of you must own the original blue-ray, so disclaimer made.

So on the the 3D version. I should have this possibly late tomorrow or Sunday at the latest.

As a reminder the 3D is stereo SBS. Depending on your setup you may need to invert the image if it looks off (different hardware is different). I watched some of it and see I may need to redo some parts in a few months when I get some better 3D conversion tools. I am happy with what I used, but some scenes are tough or you would think would be fine, but came out weird, so I may release a version 1 and tweak a few spot for version 2 later.

MoviesGamesMusic said:

Unbelievable work.

You would think these kind or errors would have been addressed when they went to the effort of correcting some bad effects for the 4K. Even then, their work was nowhere near as good as your efforts as far as I can see.

Do you plan on tackling Raiders or Crusade for future revisions/fixes also?

Thank you for your kind works. Yea surprised very little done for the 4K in that regard. A friend who has the 4K pointed out some stuff to me initially and even though it has some (very little) of the fixes it seemed like they had a timer running (or limited budget) to do very little as far as effort.

I plan to do Raiders at a later date after Starwars or at least V1 of the trilogy I am working on.
Raiders has even deleted scenes to restore and add for an extended version and I look forward to that one.
Crusade I did notice some things, but have not made a change list or anything. IMO it requires the least about of attention (But I know there a things to fix).

I have an edit for Skull essentially done, but it’s ~13 scene fixes on top of 15MaF’s excellent version. I plan on doing a post to go over those and see interest, but I pretty happy with that one now.

Four more scenes to finish. While most of the cut is editing choices and compositing fixes on bad matte lines, there are quite a few FX shots and enhancements. While I wrap this up, here are some still comparisons of a few.

Slavicuss said:

The Jedi training video is very impressive. The added shot of the falling pieces, and the new Yoda dialogue, is very convincing.

Just one criticism: Luke’s lightsaber blade looks a little thin and a touch too purple. Otherwise, nicely done!

Not disagreeing. I could prob look at it tonight and add some thickness and lean toward blue. At the time was eyeballing it, but did a compare to bespin and already have the setting adjusted so will just need to retrack and apply on pertaining clips A compare after adjustment is added below…I think this is about as close as I can get. Comparing to current. It looks much better. As the glow has the swamp background behind it, that affects some color in the blue…Will tweak it further …Thanks for the feedback.

benduwan said:

yeah,really good work.
can´t wait to see your trilogy.
well done buddy.

Thanks!

honestabe said:

Luke’s light sabre training:
Thanks for the work you are putting in. However, the link directs to Luke eating instead of any saber training.

Ha No worries, I am literally uploading all these all now before I go to bed, fixing the links etc…its 12:45 a.m. here at the moment…Just refresh now and I think you’ll find they should all work now.

Cheers!