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Williarob said:

Ouch…pricey…Looked like Viva was more of a editor from the website.

Perhaps you were looking at the wrong software:

https://algosoft-tech.com/pro

Viva Pro costs $11k

Yes I googled Viva Pro and got a tool by wondersoft that I think was ~160. So yea different tool. Nice to have someone on board that has some really nice tools. Great Job. I recently lost some data on my harddrives and would definately like to a copy of your source/finish when you are ready to share. I would probably adjust the color to match my color grade for rest of ANH, but would love to start with yours as a base…Thanks again for you work on this. Do you plan to also do ESB and ROJ deleted scenes that have some restoration needs?

Williarob said:

Actually Viva Pro did most of the heavy lifting.

The full Diamant Film Restoration suite starts at a little over $20k. Dustbuster+ is the cheaper, stripped down version which can be had for just under $7k.

Ouch…pricey…Looked like Viva was more of a editor from the website. I assume there are retoration plugins within not shown that beat out anything from premier and AE which isn’t much as far as full frame scratch and dust removal. If that is the case , Adobe has some catching up to do as you examples looked clean and fantastic!

Williarob said:

Since I do this semi-professionally now, I have bought licenses for Viva Pro and Diamant Dustbuster+, both of which were used here, along with After Effects & Photoshop -the new Genrative Fill feature helped fill in some of the larger areas of black scratches - the ones where there are so many scratches they almost form a black rectangle that lasts for a dozen frames or more:

At least 4 hours of manual painting, cloning, etc.

Never heard of Diamant Dustbuster+ that must be the magic 😃. It looks like it had many features and tools missing from Adobe in the area of repair, which is the time consuming and challenging part. Should we be scared that they will not list a price? how much is it?

Williarob said:

Here’s my quick attempt at restoring the Tosche Station scenes:

https://vimeo.com/912082416?share=copy

Fantastic! All in a day? would love to know what software you used and process. Great clean work!

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Since this movie doesn’t have deleted scenes, are you planning on slotting this intro in with the rest of the movie as an edit? Or would you prefer to make some other changes in a hypothetical edit?

only other deleted I know of is “another for the granddaughter” and the atlas scenes…the bar scene always has music and talking behind it so waiting for someone to surface with a clean version.

For others…yes I have considered adding subtitles to the german, but I struggle with that as it is not in any other indiana jones to have subtitles. Disnay should have not tried to make it so exclusively german. No disrespect to german speaking…what I may look at is if we can do AI redo of the actors just saying english lines so you can understand. Again I hate to make this the first ever Indy film that has sub titles but I know young Indy had them so maybe?

Right now I lost so hard drives that starwars work on them and depirately trying to recover from that. It’s major so when I do get back to indy it will be after that. I do hope you (who asked for links) to download the new paramount peak intro like it. I think that really helps plus the AI ford voice o correction, but currently I am on star wars recovery at the moment. I do not have a full movie file download for those who want the new intro, but if you have any editing software that can combine two files I would assume you could just add the two clips (intro and rest of movie) together on your own. It is obviously where it stops and i did not change any of the rest of the film. I would reccomend that for now if you want your own version with the new intro.

Darth Sadifous said:

What are your other ideas beyond the editing of the intro to improve the theatrical release? Too bad there are no deleted scene I am aware of that have been released beyond the cut scene from the trailer.

thanks

honestly not to much to change other than if I can find a “One more for the grand daughter” line at the bar which was a deleted scene from the trailer. Still looking for one that does not fade early to black and have music behind it.

so when I ripped the movie it did not grab the subtitles and/or the MKV may have it buried and the MP4 (required for editing) does not have. It’s funny you bring that up as I was wondering about it during editing and thinking there were some in the theater when I saw it. I have watched 3 times without subtitles and my wife and other friends and they never knew the difference (no other indy film has it for german dialogue) so it was kind of a break from traditon on this film. Not sure why they even tried to do it. Be curious for those that speak German if it was accurate what they are saying.

I may try to see to if I can find the sub titles in my MKV copy and see where (how often it occurs and if needed). I do recall a couple spots where English would have been nice (they actually did German and then ended the sentence in English …weird choice

also I do believe archamedias has subtitles at the end as well and maybe a soldier yelling about the planes being dragons. (not a big deal at the end as helena does so much paraphrasing in English when talking to archameidas it was actually weird in the theater because you saw the subtitles and she was then trying to translate. Not needed there at all, but may I may take a look at the intro and consider…cause I know what your saying. I am big fan of consistency and like I said there are no subtitles in any Indiana jones film ever so kind of hesitant to do. I would be more open to capturing their voice and using Ai to do English over subtitles. Why Disney did not do that is beyond me (I think they spent almost 300M on the film or something like that and yes on the AI ford they should have just done a little more effort I feel to make that work. But luckily we have tools to correct 😃

Thanks for you feedback

Boobafett2 said:

kg1977 said:

honestabe said:

I have watched this one as well. Overall, a massive improvement over the original.

• Eliminating the entire clear scene was the correct decision. However, at about the 17:32 mark you left Indiana telling the FBI he survived a nuclear blast. Other than that, the removal was completely smooth. I could not tell that something was missing.

For others, Note there is a version 6 for this correcting the “Indy mention of surviving a nuclear blast” because in my edit their is no blast/extra detour from the plot scene. What I did was do some editing to let him listen to the guys offscreen and the dialogue moves on without the mention. Thanks to honestabe for finding and calling that out.

For my edit I removed Indy’s mouth movements in this scene so I could just remove the audio instead. Painstaking work, having to manually track his lips to keep them closed, but it’s seamless.

Feel free to steal if you want to.

Yea I may be interested send me a PM with link unless already have. I assume you did a closed mouth and tracked it slightly…yea often I decide if worth it to do as alot of this is “painstaking” when it comes to tweaking with mouths and stuff. Great idea/suggestion…cheers

honestabe said:

I have watched this one as well. Overall, a massive improvement over the original.

• Eliminating the entire clear scene was the correct decision. However, at about the 17:32 mark you left Indiana telling the FBI he survived a nuclear blast. Other than that, the removal was completely smooth. I could not tell that something was missing.

For others, Note there is a version 6 for this correcting the “Indy mention of surviving a nuclear blast” because in my edit their is no blast/extra detour from the plot scene. What I did was do some editing to let him listen to the guys offscreen and the dialogue moves on without the mention. Thanks to honestabe for finding and calling that out.

stretch009 said:

Please send me the link to the new version. Thanks!

Sorry meant to say V4. It should be from 1/2 or it might show as 1/3/2024 and would be the latest replacing the old V4

All in all pretty pleased with this movie, but the intro (which is great) had some things that really stood out for me at least. I have made a re-edit of the intro if anyone is interested in adding to their own copy. The edits that I think really make this thing pretty solid, are as follows:

• Traditional Paramount peak/logo transition added as the intro into a shot from the film and then that small shot not used later as to not duplicate. This was a big one for me, since all Indy films should start this way with that peak blending into some point, mountain tower (whatever). It’s the James Bond gun barrel of the franchise in my opinion. When I saw the Lucasfilm logo attempt to fade to black and then a padlock In the theater, I thought it was a trailer to another movie (was that noticeable for me at least). The padlock is still their of course, we just need a real Indy intro to make it feel authentic.
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• Removed the “tick…tick…tick” in the beginning" that did not make any sense and replaced with just fade in bombs and explosions’ in the distance. A good friend pointed out this is probably an artistic way to show passing of time or a “time theme” like he is dreaming it all or something ( does appear to be the same ticking from the clock in New York Bedroom)…but it still feel it is out of place as we don’t get that in intros in other Indy films (intros are all flashbacks that are not a dream or are happening in real-time. (It’s a small edit but fits the mold).

• “1944, France” title added in to be consistent with every other Indy intro that has the date and location. I also added in “New York, 1969”, since the intro moves to this time and it was done for Crusade when “Intro” jumps. The exclusion of these titles were a another big deal for me. We should not have to listen to bonus features to find out the dates. It was such a simple edit that I can not believe got missed. I downloaded the actual font from Raiders that someone had online to use as well for this.

• Fixed audio sync issues on first shot of Indy and old Harrison voice in some spots so it’s not an 80 year old voice with a ~45 year old Indy. While I did have to do some syncing, the Voice AI credit on 4 lines has to go to a Youtuber “Jason S” who did the voice fix, to which I could not do better even using 11labs(not sure what he used). This really helps I feel. Rest of Indy is fine though - almost like Ford got better at “raising his voice to a higher register” in the shots other than the intro.

-Fixed Indy’s mouth not moving in some spots at the very end of Indy “Come on Baz” “Let’s Go”. It’s very subtle thing but if you look at the original on a decent size screen, his mouth does not move when talking at the end, so tried to at least fix some of it.

• If you have the latest edits of my Indy series they have been edited so the “Lucusfilm LTD etc”) all happen at the same time. This was the case for all films (even Dial) but Temple of doom was off by a few seconds. I have made it all consistent. This shows how much they really wanted these film to be consistent even down to the timing and why I think having the start of these film follow the pattern is so important. Hat’s off to the editors of the original films trying to keep this all consistent. Probably no one else noticed this one though 😃

PM if you want a link to check out the dial intro.

Same link should work now for a V3 (audio fix from 1:22 on)

Thanks for the find…not sure what happen. timeline in editing program looks ok…saved file on HD is not. Re-rendering it out again, now… and will check and just replace the file/link there same name. It may take some time to upload these as my upload speed is pretty slow (3.5 hours for these movies)…will post when its there though so you can get a replacement. Thanks for the nice feedback

honestabe said:

The enhanced FX were a very nice tough. These are things the casual viewer (like me) do not typically notice.

The only noticeable issue I saw around the 23:17 mark during the meal with the shaman. There was a quick and awkward cut when we are shown a shocked look by Indiana Jones for a split second that goes by a bit too quickly. This is really only a minor issue and I would not even bother correcting it unless there are more revisions you had in mind. I also know you were working various other edits that should also take priority.
Thank you again and I greatly appreciate the work you and other editors put into this.

Thank you for your review, kind words and recommendation to others for my TOD edit. I hope you enjoy the others as well. In regards to the Meal with the shaman quick and awkward cut issue, I have identified and corrected it. The issue was a overlaps of two layers of video on the cut that I missed I guess. The cut should go to Willie and then back to the Shamen as he continues his story. latest will be a V4 that I will just replace the current so the link should still work for any who want to re-grab it. I will upload tonight as my upload speeds are slow so I rather just let it run while sleeping. Should be there in the morning.

Thanks again.

Phase3 said:

I’ve just read your shot list; I was wondering, do you think you might use the deleted scene of General Veers’ AT-AT being destroyed? There is grey, black & white footage of him and the two drivers in the cockpit about to be rammed head-on by a speeder.

Originally had not decided to include due to the scene having so much cartoon/storyboard drawing pieces to it. Colorization has come along way and I do have some very nice practical models of the snow speeders, so maybe I will take another consideration, would probably be in a final V3 though.

Version 1 of Raiders is finally done. I will follow-up on prior PMs for this in a few minutes. If I miss anyone, let me know

A few notes here:

• I ended up adding some extra shots in the intro that I came across 4 days ago (You can find those in the updated shot list).
• This version has all the official deleted scenes other than the bar kiss, which I found extra footage as well a few days ago and will finish that scene for inclusion in V2.
• This version has ~31 of the 47 edits/additions. The other 16 edits are already started and planned out, but I do need to switch gears and get back to ESB-X as a break and to just accomplish something on the StarWars front.
• Thanks for the interest and support and I hope you all enjoy this release. Happy Holidays/New Year to all.

benduwan said:

Wich tracks will there be include?
Different languages?
Thanks for your effort.
Regards

5.1 English. Have not added additional speaking tracks for deleted scenes in different language nor subtitles, but if you PM me regarding this specifically, I can get you “lines” of what is said in English that are new for you to translate if you want and then maybe you can take it from there to do something? Maybe 20-30 words total.

Honestly it’s not much as far as talking for the extra I believe its only

1. In the temple helping Sapito up
2. Encounter with Suzan after class
3. In the well of the souls
4. Them in the marketplace (just the Marion saying “Indy come here”)

Raiders V1 is 99% done, just tweaking some things and should have a file for tomorrow. I had found some new deleted scenes and had to decide what to use + update some more audio on delted for 5.1 mix…Link below is to the updated shot list
Version 1 will contain 30 of now 47 planned shots/scenes.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gAUSRGFmFMHpOTdD8OqQZD-qPDdnvd05/view?usp=sharing

Slavicuss said:

I like what you did with Belloq’s face in the flames: replacing the dummy head with the actor’s face.

That was a change my buddy called out and through out the years, I kind of missed it. Surprisingly it was not that hard to do as I thought, since the almost identical shot is earlier in the film just not composited with the fire. Definitely helps to have a more realistic face, but I understand they only had what they had in 81.

Phase3 said:

How is this project coming along? I’m keen to see it once it’s finished!

workin on the audio now…hoping for FRI release for version1, which should be pretty comprehensive

Currently trying to finish up my Raiders extended version, but I do plan to do an exit of Dial like my other 4 Indy movies. Here is what I had planned as far as a shot list. The AI voice fix is already done as someone on Youtube took a start at it and I added some more, but the other I need to find time to go after. It might be a while though as I need to get back on my extended Empire strikes back version 1 that has been like 90% done for awhile.

• Paramount peak/logo transition at the start added back in to be consistent with the franchise
• Fixing audio sync issues and old Harrison voice in some spots so it’s not an 80 year old voice with a ~45 year old Indy as well as mouth not moving in some spots to the voice for the CG in the beginning
• “1944, Franch” title added to intro to be consistent with every other Indy start. Also adding in “New York, 1969” since the movie is literally moving to this time (for the intro) and it was done this way for Crusade.
• Editing a shot away from Indy after he punches the driver of the car, so he hides the body under the car off screen and we return to him sitting there inside before the officer comes in the back. This allows more time for officers to get into car and not see the Indy ragging the driver out of the way on the ground or whatever he had to do.
• Fix CG when punched on the train. I am sure there are more, but that was the one I notice the most
• Slower Indy running on the train. Or reduce the scene so he is not so fake looking here
• Adding a Starwars Visual easter egg somewhere in this film to be consistent with the other films
• Adding the last movie McGuffin easter egg somewhere in this film
• Tuk Tuk scene seemed to drag out, but will have to see the Bluray a 3rd time to see where take out is needed
• Possibly add the deleted shot. “Same for the God Daughter” when they are drinking in the new York Bar.
• My own personal rip of my copy did not grab the subtitles like in the theater at the end, but I kind of like no titles since no other Indy had it, so may just keep it this way, plus we never had it for the German speaking characters.

nearing the finish line on verion 1. It will have many of the edits I had originally planned for V2, leaving only some of the bigger time consuming ones for the June 2024 final release. This version 1 is 90% of all the edits though so it will be pretty comprehensive. See updated shot list above in the very first post for ongoing edit and changes

This is now completed as 2D version (will go back later after Raiders and do the 3D)

This is now completed as 2D version (will go back later after Raiders and do the 3D)

Doctor M said:

Ooh. I can’t believe I just saw this… subscribed and waiting now.
Still convinced I saw Indy on the periscope in the movie when I was growing up.

He’s on it hanging for a half second when the map is dissolving into the high wide shot…You kind of need a >40 inch screen to even see it. For my addition that shot will be there, but will have him come down off the crows nest and then jumping off into the water + more extended scene.

Interesting fact on the periscope scene is that it had storyboards, was in the novel, the comic, early scripts, pretty all but the final film. In all those cases however; he attaches his bullwhip to the periscope and gets pulled along. I considered doing something with that to match, but all Harrison shots, he is just holding on with arms etc. Also Harrison does not have his bullwhip when he swims and gets on (left in the room I guess), so it kind of played out different if they did use that scene – he just holds on through the day and night until morning.
Personally, that kind of pushes it a bit or we can assume he uses maybe his belt to help stay with it (but under the water). Either way this one will take some work but hoping to get in the side “sleeping” shot as a “Day for night” shot of Harrison holding on at least for V1 and finish it all in V2

Glad to hear about the excitement this generating. Raiders definitely will be more packed full of great extras compared to the others. Planning to Focus on V1 of this and then finish Skull and Crusade after but still sometime mid December for all. Even though those other two have less to wrap up, I am wanting a Raiders viewing myself before the BLU release of Dial which will be here fast…As such, looking to try and add as many of the planned V2 edits into V1 as I can for first release. First release should be about 85% of all the new stuff and all main ones. Again, thanks for the kind words and support.