Clearly the only solution that will satisfy anyone is for adywan to go discover alien life and cast it in his movie.
Dennis Rodman is still alive, it could work!
Added some good life to that, I like it!
Agreed.
Also CGI has gone a long way since the PT … to be fair.
More real stuff with the inclusion of “good” CGI is where its at.
RogueLeader brings out a really good point about the whole thing. Luke grew up on Tatooine and knew all about Jabba … which in turn probably would have heard about Jabba and his Sarlac executions … The only way out of the palace is that way with everyone. Hmmmm…
So really keeping everything together can work with some tinkering that has been brought out.
I think there is plenty of a data base with Anthony Daniels to dub in an extra 3PO line. I also agree trimming the Rancor scene a bit is good too to make it feel more like “part of the plan.”
It is stated in the opening few paragraphs.
There are major changes. Kylo Ren does not show his face until the final act.
I’ve always felt that was a mistake that he removed his mask during interrogation. It was unnecessary. It took away from the scene with Han at the end. That would have had MUCH more of an impact since you get his real name, know it’s his son and Now see his son’s face.
Leia’s deleted scene on Vimeo:
https://vimeo.com/233568361
Password: TFAThis one has color correction but no foley for the Resistance base shot, just like the full quality version.
Isn’t the bearded pilot, in the beginning, the actor who played the cop in the original Heroes TV show?
Why yes he is.
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Solar Beam Edition (It’s Super Effective!)
I agree with riginal on that. Remove the sillier aspects of the battle, which less would indeed be more for them. Adding more rebel soldiers / battle scenes would not take away the point about a lesser society taking on a stronger one. There were times it was too goofy and silly that took away too much from the whole thing.
If the transport Ady uses is huge and can make it plausible to have lots of rebels, it would be easy enough to add more stormtrooper since, well, they are already there based on emperors plan. Make it epic!
If Harmy and Ady team up, it could be possible. Harmy did a great job restoring some things in his despecialized. It would be a ton of work.
Or will it be TLJ taking of from ROTJ’s edit. Abrams style!
JEDIT - All things aside (I’m ok with TFA being similar, just hope the next 2 will not do that.)
Replace em with Wookies … can’t go wrong with wookies…
One Shot Base … There can only be one … Single Fire Line … Mission Semi-Impossible … Resistance 1 - 1 …
/end bad ideas
Dang dud, he did a great job on that! Give him a call to walk in a straight line at a green screen and send it to Ady! Hahah, that would be really cool … really cool in a background if possible…
The only element from rogue one I would like in a new hope is the Scarif planet as well as a better sense of scale with the death star.
I agree those would be great to see. If possible, though, I also think it’d be nice if we can catch a glimpse of a K-2 droid walking in the hallways of the Death Star. Could be far in the background in the hallways (to help fill in the void in some areas) while Ben is sneaking around, and/or one could walk past our heroes while they are in disguise and waiting for the elevator. I’m positive Ady already considered all of this 😉
I love it! Either of those would work. If it’s too technical for Ady to do a close up at the elevator, I would be satisfied with one in the background during Obi Wans sneaking around.
Return of the Jedi will be the most interesting of the two on what Ady will decide to do. Compared to the first two, this one does need SOME degree of editing … be it story, plot, structure, etc. ANH and ESB were fine on their own movies wise, which don’t need “fixing” for the story or pace. Adding some polish to them like Ady did was perfectly legitimate and did not retract from those edits.
ROTJ does need something. I like the movie, but there is an “offness” to it compared to the other two. Nostalgic, yes, but as a movie … needs something. Granted it does not need to be DRASTIC thing done … but definitely needs more editing then revisiting.
Granted, Ady did fantastic with the previous two, so I am happy to wait and see what he does. Its good for people to talk about it and throw ideas since some of these turds could be simple gems for Ady to use. 😉
Just finished watching the cur. Overall as well, I enjoyed it. I think it just needs some more polish and shine to make it fabulous. A good alternative to Hal’s version. His would be more movie trilogy … yours would be connecting the clone wars to it. I list below my views from what I have watched. I have + and - to indicate good things and “bad” things. (at least things that need to be corrected/polished)
Sorry its long winded, but I really cared about what you did!
++ Good cutting choices during the space battle. No more dumb dialogue that makes Anakin seem not component. Like Hal’s edit, good moves man.
++ Since your edit is more clone wars, including dried scenes was fine to me since that was your intent. I liked the replaced voices so they weren’t so high-pitched and irritating.
++ I LOVED the “roger roger” from Anakin and Obi wan. Very fitting with their characters and close friendship from Clone Wars. Why that was not in the original release … oh well. Good call!
– Cant understand dialogue getting out of elevator to doku. gibberish. I turned it up a bit but I still could not understand it.
– both Anakin and Obi Wan’s “councelor” echoes. Very awkward. I would keep it to Obi wan saying chancellor and anakin saying are you ok? You can have Anakin talking over Obi wan toward the end IF possible.
++ Thanks for removing the “twice as powerful” line.
+/- You made good editing choices to make the “disarm + behead” scene to removal the dialogue. One clean swoop. If there was a way to make it one smooth and quick execution, I think it would flow better since the dialogue has been removed from the theatrical. I doubt it could be done, but if there was a way to do it, I think that would look better.
++ Removal of the bridge scene between Grevious and his crew about leveling out the ship. I think it worked without it, it kept the focus on Anakin and Crew without jumping around. Granted, those scenes weren’t too distracting or anything, so having it or not having it works both ways to me.
++ Good editing on Ray-Shield scene. Again, helped make Anakin be competent and helped make the droids not so annoyingly high pitched.
+/- Not sure about the ships “helping” Anakin land scene voice change. I don’t think they were necessarily clones in the original release. The voice is different enough from the “original” clone voice in the movie. I think the regular dialogue flows better. Maybe if there was a way to add some effects to the voice so its not so clear and crisp it would help that. Since again, I know your wanting to link Clone Wars with this movie. Distort the voice a bit and it would sound better. At least to me personally.
++ Good on the removal of “no excuses” Obi wan and Anakin are close, no need for that line.
++ Nice editing on Palps reassuring Anaking about him being on the Jedi Counil giving reason why he would be on master council. Nice!
++ Good editing on master council with Anakin. Having Obi Wan give his scowl at the beginning, when Anakin was bursting out instead of the end was much better. Great!
++ Smart choice adding deleted scene about senates talking about “the mess” with Republic.
– Kind of awkward transition during anakin and obi wan speech. May need some polishing since there was some obvious cutting. Again it helps the relationship … just a bit unpolished. Not sure how to smooth it out.
++ Like the chuckle at begining of Anakin and Padme scene. Adds softness to him, which is good.
– The talking over part between Padme and Anakin needs some polishing. It doesn’t sound/feel right. I think he voice goes to soft. Granted Anakin’s voice would be stronger than hers but her line goes mute. That part did feel awkward in general. That part does need some polishing if possible. If not … I would leave it the original way.
++ Adding Hayden’s “No No No No” was a good touch.
– Adding General skywalker as he walks in the box suite at the opera was a bit … hmmmm out of nowhere since no one was really looking at him and sounded very dubbed over. It’s too awkward to me. Granted I know you want to add more dialogue that flows from the Clone Wars … but it was a bit much.
++ Nice edit with anakin saying obi wan instead of master at “the docks.” None of that constant master stuff was so tire some.
+/- Intresting re use of the scene Anakin talks to Anakin about his dream earlier at that time. Interesting. It gives a reason why Anakin didn’t open up to her at first, which flowed well from the scene “of 2000.” I am ok with it.
++ Thanks for removing the previous training scene dialogue from Grevious. Not needed since they fought so many times in the Clone Wars!
+/- Not bad edits with Anakin and Palpatine convo/reveal … not sure based on your edits if some parts can be smoothed out. It was obvious there were cuts, so if there was a way to remove it. That would be good!
+/- The beginning Dialogue between Anakin and Obi wan before the duel had good cutting decisions. There was still a bit of a slight awkwardness to it since there were obvious cuts. If there was a way to polish that, I think it would work well. I did like some of the “no responses” to Anakin. Made him sound less stupid-evil.
++ Good cuts on saber battle. Also removal of high ground.
++ I did like what you did about the babies being born and sent out. It was done pretty well. Granted, it was a very different style from this movie, and the other ones, but I understand why you did that. Because the voice over was going over multiple scenes, it helped it justified the jumping around. Worked well!
++ The ending scene with Vader. It is very satisfying way to end it. I do also like Chainshawash’s suggestion about the scene goes black before he exhales. Black scene for a few seconds, then credits. I would highly suggest trying that and maybe making a clip for us to see?
So wrap up - All in all great. I do agree about the coloring, very dark and contrasty. Most of my “negative” comments are about polishing, which some is possible and maybe others are not possible. I do think the removal of the line “Anakin Skywalker” is too much of a dub over and is distracting. For removing and element, I think its that one.
Hal you’ll implement these ideas right?
I too agree with Bingowings about keeping the scene and brings up some good points, especially since Ben needs to finish the story he started. (and lied about at the beginning.)
Also, during the duel between Luke and Vader, it was Vader reading Luke he learned about Leia being his dauther/Luke’s sister. Or at least that’s how its portrayed.
It resonates with Vader and the kiddos. Vader didn’t feel a connection to Luke until Palp revealed Luke being his son.
So it seems like Vader has no connection to his offspring until someone either tells him. It could be because he wasn’t there for their birth … Maybe Palp is using his power to “shield” his connection to them, until he found Luke to be powerful and could be turned … or any other reasons.
So taking away Obi-wan’s reveal and making it Vader telling him about his sister kind of goes against the grain on what’s already been shown/established.
I wonder if Adywan is going to use Harmy’s Despecialized version to replace the out-of-focus section (shuttle Tydirian approach and landing on Endor).
That would be good if he was using the current Tydirian shuttle since Harmy did a great job with that. However, Ady did say he would be replacing that shuttle type with a different one. (be more of a cargo shuttle as opposed to the exact type that is Vader’s and Pal’s personal shuttle.)
I have the same thoughts as NeverarGreat. To me the relationship seemed warmer, in comparison to ESB. So it seems to me there was some more training or time together between the movies. Like in ESB, Luke said he would complete his training, so his line still works.
It may seem slightly off when Luke sees Yoda and he talks about being old … but added sick. When Lukes goes off to save Han, during that time Yoda got sick. The time span could be weeks from when he left Degobah to help save Han. So that whole scene still can work. An older person can get sick and go relatively quickly, even if you saw them weeks before. (happened to me a few times)
Are we questioning the logic of the Star Wars universe?
Always could add a poster like that in a scene. It could be an easter egg! (/sarcasm)
Thanks for the post Adywan of clearing things up. I am curious how you will do things now.
Granted I would prefer Boba being taken out of the film, but if there is a better death scene, I will welcome it. (have to 😉)
So if the crawl is the same, I wonder if there will be some pacing changes since there was not any denying of that … well specifically I guess.
nhoj3 said:
While his friends have scoured the galaxy for Han Solo, Luke Skywalker has evaded Darth Vader’s relentless pursuit by continuing his Jedi training on the secret planet of Dagobah.With Han finally discovered in the lair of the vile gangster Jabba the Hutt, Luke has left his training once again to join his friends in a daring rescue attempt.
Little do they know that the GALACTIC EMPIRE has secretly been constructing a new armored space station even more powerful than the first dreaded Death Star…
Which leads into the opening of the movie as we know it. It’s not perfect but it does address a few issues:
- Luke’s training DID continue after ESB and his powers have justifiably improved
- It better explains why the rescue team didn’t go in as a single team
- It ties in nicely with ESB and ROTJ dialogue of Vader’s search for Luke
- Replacing the word “begun” with “been” suggests that DS2 construction has been going on for longer, better justifying it’s advanced progress.
- It allows for Luke to separate and rejoin the fleet as depicted in the original cut
Granted it begs a few questions. Why did Luke wait to ask “the big question”. Still I think it would work, as Mark Hamill’s delivery of “IS Darth Vader my father?” sounds like a question that has been asked many times before. Some of Yoda’s response may have to be trimmed to make it work, but I really think that it’s worth considering.
I like it. In fact, I may have to concede it makes more sense than my “restructuring” idea.
About “the question”, I think the script hints that Yoda has been dodging the question, which to me can be used as evidence that Luke had tried to get an answer out of him before.Yoda: One thing remains… Vader. You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi will you be. And confront him you will.
Luke: Master Yoda…is Darth Vader my father?
Yoda: Rest I need. Yes. Rest.
Luke: Yoda, I must know.
Yoda: (reluctantly) Your father he is.
It does lend to itself that Yoda has been dodging the question over some time … not until he was about to die he finally would admit it.
Luke: Yoda, is Darth Vader my father?!
Yoda: After more training, tell you I will
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Luke: Ok, is he my father?!
Yoda: A nap, I take first.
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Luke: Now will you tell me?
Yoda: Into the cave you must go, answers you will find.
… and so on.
I think he’s said he wanted to do something different with the torture droid needle at some point too, but yeah, I’m pretty sure everything is pretty set in stone for ANH:R:HD by now.
That too, yeah.
I thought he mentioned possibly fixing the planet where the DS reveal happens to match Scarif better too
I think it would make sense, it would flow well with Rogue One. I didn’t know about his edit until a few months ago when I watched it, but it was pretty genius adding the planet many years ago … it did add to the DS scenes with it, it gave it scale and made things visually more appealing. Making it look more like Scarif makes more sense, so why not? It basically just needs more green.
I think this could be implemented so smoothly!
