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Octorox said:

For reference, here are l8wrtr’s takes on the droid factory and garage scenes (I think of the edit’s I’ve seen, his were most successful in editing down these scenes):

droid factory: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1L3RMhiG8debz1CUCKgM0gYHrHrN0MUME
garage: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1pHLbsJiDweog5gohQGNZTS5ZIuVI4FvX

Personally, I would vote to add the droid factory but keep the garage scene out.

Thanks for sending those, I see what he did with the droid factory scene. Hmmm, works much better than the original cut Lucas had. Not saying it has to be there, but, I admit it works pretty well.

The garage scene was edited well. But, what I appreciate on not having any of it is Anakin in the official movies is just to whiny and cringy. Granted, that moment is understandable since his mother died and all, and his conflicted conscience on his actions … but, the portrayal in Hal’s edits is a bit of a more likable character and not so whiny, cringy, and plain un-likeable. My opinion anyway.

Haha, you must hate sand too. I hear it gets everywhere.

It sounds like it makes sense to reinsert the chosen one stuff then since that theme of balance is pretty over in the ST, which was the point of the chosen one prophecy.

That seems like an eloquent solution.

Keep that garage scene out. Simple. 😉

As for the droid factory scene mentioned again, just watched it on youtube and I don’t see a way to even trim it to “make it work” it a believable and seamless way. Even if you took out all the 3PO moments, you have some brief shots of R2 at the door by himself that shows no path way or bridge from it … then he somehow gets to the controls later?

It’s too much of a mess. I do know what you mean about the transition with the inserted deleted scene with the “negotiation” scene. Not a strong scene, but it’s the only option.

When it comes to the whole chosen one/prophecy thing, what’s tough is its the central thing about the prequel movies with Anakin. Unfortunately, because of Phantom Menace that is why Anakin is taken as a young boy found by a Master Jedi since “he has no father” and the “Force is unusually strong with him.” So because of the first movie, you have to have it, Anakin is already on a pedestal, unfortunately, the original movies didn’t really touch on that at all since, well, it wasn’t needed.

The real question is if Rise of Skywalker will touch on this to kind of complete the topic/story behind the Skywalkers, starting with Anakin. If it does not, then the whole prophecy/chosen one is not needed. But again, it is tough to completely remove because of the first movie. It is strange in a way without it since it was kind of a big deal in the first prequel movie. I don’t think there is a clean way to completely remove that topic.

Octorox said:

So I know this will be an unpopular suggestion, but have you given any consideration to bringing back the Dex’s Diner scene with trims similar to what Cathy Fulcher-Baker did for her edit? clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtBAiWYWR6w&t=10m26s

The reason I ask is that I think this would allow you to include the scene from the theatrical cut where Mace, Yoda and Obi-Wan discuss Anakin, rather than the alternate “deleted scene” version with only Mace and Obi-Wan as you do now. While it may be slightly stronger dramatically, I think the visual effects in that deleted scene stand out as particularly unpolished. Additionally, Mace’s line that Obi-Wan “must have faith” in Anakin seems dissonant with his character in Revenge of the Sith, who clearly doesn’t trust him.

That is trimmed very well. It works on good multiple levels. One, it gives a destination for Kamino. Since the records of Kamino are “missing” in the Jedi archive scene, it would be pretty impossible to find a single planet in a single galaxy when there are 100s, if not 1000s in the Republic, let alone the unknown regions which makes up even a bigger chunk! It’s like finding a needle in many, many, many haystacks. And in the current edit, Obi Wan finds it pretty easily in one shot. Heck, look at The Force Awakens … there is a map that leads to Luke that is missing about 15-20% of it which makes it impossible to find him without the missing piece!

Also, I will say despite the Mace and Obi Wan scene contextually a better scene, it is visually distracting since it is both incomplete and is in a lower resolution. Again, I like the dialogue much better, but it is a bit distracting visually.

So with this edited scene, it removes the silly-ness but keeps the important information.

With that, do keep out the Yoda and kids scene as well as the droid factory scene that has been mentioned. The is too silly and introduces abilities R2 does not show in the original movies. It was very goofy when I first saw it and kept thinking “How the Heck is R2 flying around but dines’t do that in the OT? There were several opportunities that would have been super helpful!!”

It’s a tough balance of trying to edit movies to either help pacing, polish some issues, remove the bad … but at the same time not removing either the grand feeling of the movie nor some of the “what we are used to” to make something not feel right. Keep it up Hal!

Do what ya gotta do weirdo 😉.

The force is strong with this one. 😉

There are some gems in TPM, by tweaking it, trimming it, it helps polish the good and remove the bad!

As a newish topic, if you were to have “two” versions available of the opening crawl, one with COD and the other with TPM, my mind was thinking on the way you’ve approached the new trilogy’s title. The Force Awakens -Restructure and The Last Jedi - Legendary. What word/idea goes well with this edit?

For the above post, that reminds me of an idea regarding the “wrench.”

From the scene at the duration from 46 - 48 with the pod running, couldn’t putting an object on the ground below it be the wrench showing it fell through the vents onto the ground? That seems the simplest way to connect the dots.

Watched the video and you can really see the difference in color and can see the blue tint! Thanks for fixing the hologram color!

The increased volume is an improvement. I can hear the words much better. Also trimming the last bit of frames is a big improvement.

His use of “nature” still doesn’t sound quite right, but hey, it is a better with the removal of R2 at the end.

^^^ Good point Dom, watched it a few times and agree it does have an awkward lingering since there isn’t a further line or word. Shortening it up some frames will do the trick.

Also, side note, which is probably just me, but does the way 3PO say “nature” sound kind of off or different? I can’t put my finger on it, but something feels a bit off about it.

But hey, that’s just me and I agree with Dom’s suggestion above.

It is better with the removal of R2 at the end since it isn’t so rushed.

The above link isn’t working. I’ve just listened to the previous clips and it is pretty hard going from nature to R2. I think your above link is the line without R2, I bet that would solve the issue.

From my phone it sounds perfect Hal. Wow!

Ah man, I want the special thing! Not easy when it comes to channels.

I agree with that and like that direction, connects the dots between this and the original trilogy since she did die while Leia was very young.

Octorox said:

Hal 9000 said:

Shit, you’re right. That’s damns subtle, though. I bet it’d be relatively easy to animate the wrench as falling past that opening rather than into it for a single digit number of frames, if the clip is good otherwise.

I’ve got something special to show you all later today, hopefully, too. 😉

I think it works fairly well and is definitely preferable to the “before the race” scene. I think if someone can animate the wrench falling past the engine it would definitely merit inclusion.

That’s all you need, I like this MUCH better than the before the race scene. What I appreciate it is Jar Jar is still the, erm, comedic relief without being too much and over the top. There are a few options with the wrench being animated for any skilled person to do that hopefully!

I edited my other paragraph since I watched some clips, never-mind on my comment!

Re-edit

What’s interesting about the sound and the timing of the wrench falling into the pod is it’s timing and sound (thud) matches to the time it would fall through and hit the ground. It doesn’t make a metallic sound, but a dirt sound. Watch it a few times and you’ll see/hear. Plus, you see there is a corresponding hole where the wrench does fall through.

Now watching the original cut online during the scene … It doesn’t make sense if he was grabbing a the wrench in the fan … how would it have gotten there if you watch and hear the animation.

Sir Ridley said:

Hal 9000 said:

What do you all think about this? Yea or Neigh?

https://vimeo.com/336657054
password: fanedit

The idea is good, but I think it needs to sound more muffled, like it’s coming from inside the body (try a low-pass filter). I think I heard somewhere that the sound of Vader choking someone was made by crushing walnuts inside an orange to get a moist cracking sound. Perhaps your sound is lacking the squishy “orange” part of it, as well.

I agree it needs a more squishy sound. Also, I would remove the first “pop” before she speaks. The reason being is she isn’t really struggling to say anything, her voice isn’t really grasping for air … so by only having the “popping” sounds after she speaks shows the grip is tightening enough to cause the sounds.

But I do like the idea of having such sounds since it really adds more depth to the moment and echoes to the “soon-to-be-Vader-we-all-know”.

It does seem to indicate that the hologram is coming from the temple and not Palp’s office from the prior video clips. So it must indicate that Palp’s did go there. This makes me think like how a president will visit an area struck by a major disaster of some kind. For Palp’s, his “official” reason for him is to inspect the temple after the so-called Jedi Rebellion (Historical site you know!) … but his true reason was to inspect Anakin’s work, and loyalty since they have begun the Master and Apprentice relationship.

That’s a ok, Anakin is all in, he’s drunk the Kool-aid. I think you can leave it be. Anakin has chosen the side with the guy that started the whole war and controlled both sides, he done thinking. 😉