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I personally vote a hard NO on adding Han’s voice or anything else specific.

The arguments that are being used are essentially saying Luke saw specific actions on Ben’s part. But … there is no indication at all in the scene that Luke foresaw specific things Ben would do, like destroy his fellow padawans or slay Han. It was about WHAT he was becoming and WHAT he will bring.

Trying to link Luke’s reaction, exile, etc. to what he saw AND his decision afterwards is stretching it too much and will cause more confusion than answers (If he saw him killing his other students, why not still act if he farsaw him KILLING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE SOONISH? Foresaw Han getting killed, why not reach out to Han and Leia … or even try again with Ben however he could, etc. etc.)

See? It’s causing more problems than fixing it. Keeping it vague and more about WHAT he was coming, as the scene does, is the better option.

I get both sides of the Luke portrayal in TLJ and people can debate on what’s right and wrong about it, but quite frankly, both sides are right. (See what I did there 😃)

So keeping it as abstract as possible and not trying to connect it to any specific moments is best.

I don’t quite recall if this topic has been discussed in this thread or another one. Let alone if this would be considered a “radical” change since we gotta try to do realistic changes.

When it comes to Palp’s original motivation for Kylo is to Kill Rey. Later on when confronted with Rey, he is like “Nah, I was just cranky and didn’t have my snickers bar, I wanted you to just come and see me!”

Now, I know when it comes to Palpy he is playing 3d chess and even plays some dangerous games. (ROTJ, leaking info to the Rebellion, even letting Rebels infiltrate Endor)

But, it doesn’t quite jive right to me. Especially when it came to Kylo himself and his motivations … it just seemed all kinda … off to me.

If there was a way to change Palps lines, which may or may not be possible, but even changing his lines to be more on the lines of “Bring her to me.”

Couple reasons why this works:

1.) Makes more sense in the end since he wanted Rey to come and strike him down.
2.) Kylo’s motivation stays in tack. We know he still wants Rey, even if he got all upset in the last movie with her. We know this true since … he wants her to join him RIGHT away when he gets in touch. So his personal motivation is to get Rey to join him and they BOTH take out the Emperor. He can entice her further with the full knowledge of her lineage to help “motivate” her too agree with his personal plan to take out the emperor. "Hey, you know how you hate the dark side. Well, your grandpa is THE bad guy who is alive. Want some revenge and decide what you want to do, let’s get rid of him together so he won’t do anything to you.

I have more to say … but this post is getting to big, so this is my initial thought!

Still no handrail for those guys. Man, talk about work place safety violations!

Simple answer: Add a robot sounding Wilhelm scream to BB8 when flying across the room when the hanger is destroyed. Boom!

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or not.

For the scream, would you be willing to add one during the hanger explosion somewhere? It just doesn’t seem right to not have a wilhelm scream. Lol.

Hal 9000 said:

^ It was me, after formerly adding it as a trooper was hit by the BB8T-ST.

Oh I remember that one … for some reason in the back of my mine I thought I heard it in the hanger via a fan edit. I could very well be making this up. I was glad you added that in, also the ‘hidden’ one too.

If anyone is curious I could post that clip if I got that edit saved somewhere … I did a reorganization on my computer/office set up and need to finalize it. Then again, it’s like REALLY subtle (didn’t want it to be too obvious and distracting.)

Hahaha, Freezing, that is actually funny you say that since I worked on an edit and put it during the shot where the fighter gets like … extricated and disposed of. I hid it in the electric sound it made. More of an easter egg that isn’t meant to be obvious but I did it for fun. Lol.

Im ok with all of that, even if I would personally like the removal of the matrix shot, it doesn’t really break it for me.

Now there is one other VERY important thing we have not discussed.

We need the Wilhelm scream somewhere. I don’t recall if you added one in since all Star Wars movies need to have it … The only place I can think of to put it is when the Resistance capital ship’s hanger get’s destroyed from Kylo’s missile attack. (The more I type this … did either you or Hal do this, I think I am picturing that it has been done … but it has been too long to recall!)

Anything that removes Palp’s being alive and a radio broadcast makes the crawl 100x better.

We are not saying your wrong, just saying we are right.

😉

Plus to add, even if you can tell or assume its Palpatine … it’s at the very end of the movie … This way TLJ is still “complete” with its own narrative … but we can point a bit more heavily to Palpatine. With that and Hal’s newest version to have some more subtle palpatine stuff in TFA:R, we are subtly building this up for the full reveal in TROS.

^^^ Agreed with Starkiller.

*Remove the line about the Holdo maneuver. If it is something legitimate then someone who lives in that universe shouldn’t have the same misconception as we might.

That certainly needs to be removed. Just take it all out! Especially since it was done at the end of the movie over Endor. Another contradiction. Simply removing that exchange is an easy fix.

*see if it could somehow be communicated that the Sith fleet needs the First Order to man the ships

I would absolutely love something like that. Had a friend over the other night and were talking about Star Wars stuff. (BTW, loved the movie and trilogy as a whole now with it all complete, good for him.) And I was discussing ways to improve on the movie. He did agree that something like that would be great to really connect the two sides. It is a too unbelievable that Palp found 100,000++++ followers to man those ships. Even if they were “Skeleton crews,” the sheer number was crazy. So having some kind of line to connect the dots for the two “sides” like that, First Order’s manpower and Final Order’s ships, that would be neat. It has to be done some how during the table discussion with the Generals, but need to have the movie and any deleted scenes to see if some dialogue or extended time can be used, even if it can be a “random” general in the background saying that, so anyone can be a voice actor for it.

As for the “see you around kid” line, I’ve personally took it as a continuation on how Han will always be “haunting him” since his murder. In the same way with Luke since Luke “allowed” Kylo to “kill” luke (Letting him strike him with the lightsaber).

In essence, Luke knows Kylo is still in the “half in the door” of going totally dark, so his choices (Killing his Father Han or SYMBOLICALLY kill Luke) will continue to haunt him.

Ah, valid point if that can be worked. It is “funny” how the fact her parents wanted to protect her kinda underscored the concept of “my bad lineage.” If that can be done, successfully, that could be worked.

However, at the same time though, regardless of any edits that address the topic of her parents, does having it really add to anything? If anything, it adds a current/complete falsehood regardless of “point of view” argument that could be used OR editing of the next movie. By removing that, everything else can be fine. I don’t see how that adds more benefit than negative.

Hal, has this topic been discussed yet?:

One issue people have is the “suddenness” that Kylo switches sides. Granted, we know he’s always been torn between both sides of the conflict, but I do understand that feeling of the reversal of him “going all in.” I think part of that stems with the “Skype” convo when she is in the Star Destroyer. His motivation was for her to turn to the dark side and whatnot. However, since he is wearing the helmet it allows for easier wiggle room to change some aspects of the conversation.

He’s been obsessed with her and wants Rey on his side. In Last Jedi, he wanted her to join him … Forget about everything and everyone, Jedi, Resistance, etc. etc. So what if the dialogue changes to remove the “join the dark side” to just “Join me.” This adjusts his motivation in that scene to focus on the two of them, and not what side to be on. That way, when he later turns, it helps it feel a little more “natural” since it’s not about being in the light or the dark, but now HIM joining with Rey.

Sorry I am late for the party!

I applaud having two different versions. (I am going for the V3 all the way!)

I will comment on the Matrix Shot - Personally … it needs to go. It took me out of Star Wars in a smaller way in comparison to the Leia Poppins moment. It will not make or break the edit for me whichever direction you go, but Hal’s removal is clean. The Matrix Scene is classic in Matrix … but it’s not necessary here.

Also, I do not recall if this topic came up here or somewhere else, but I am curious if it would be wise to look at the Kylo and Rey scene discussing her parents? Would removing/edit the lines about “sold you for drinking money, etc” be something to think about/discuss?

Star Wars has the concept about “Certain Point of View” on things, but this was more like “I saw what happened” as opposed to “My view on this is …” This is especially drawn out since he then explains in detail everything that happened to them. So … yeah.

I think just removing the line about “selling them for drinking money” and whatever else was a blatant lie would be wise. Especially since he tells her “I didn’t lie to you” in the sense that they were nobody’s … they chose to do that AND PROTECT YOU FROM GRANDPA! The other details he added are lies since the actual “Point of View” topic is them being nobodies, albeit the CHOSE to do that. Not the selling her for drinking money.

Huh, interesting.

All in all I am hoping for some good deleted scenes to be worked with. One can hope!

Awesome, love it!

Hal 9000 said:

Maybe if we could insert Palpatine gloating about how he can’t be killed. Use Snoke’s voice from TLJ interspersed throughout to imply Palpy likes speaking in his voice sporadically, then use his “I cannot be betrayed” monologue from TLJ.

I got it! In your LOE edit, we can reinstate the “I am the Senate!” quote you removed. Of course this is a great idea.

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Yeah I got nothing.

I like that a whole lot better!

Do or do not, there is no try. 😉

nightstalkerpoet I think you are missing the points that are being brought up. The Radio Broadcast aspect was … one … of the many issues coming up with the movie. In the crawl they establish that Palp’s made a broadcast and everyone knows about it. Later, we are with the resistance after they get intel from THE MOLE IN THE FIRST ORDER about Palp being alive.

Once they get that intel, then they are all surprised that Palp’s is alive. So even in the first what, 20 minutes the movie contradicts itself? It’s like there is a movie that has a opening message that “Famous Business Man Dies From a Robbery and the Whole Town is In Mourning.” We then go into the movie and everyone is happy and going about their business until 20 minutes later a news report comes on the television that the Business man is murdered and everyone is so surprised.

It has to go.

Hey Sandman! when it came to “improving” scenes, such as what you are doing with shadows and whatnot, I was really referring to the battle between the Gunkens and the droids, the “distraction” battle. During the retreat scenes, the visuals for the CGI was just so bad. So I was curious if anyone has ever attempted to try and improve those visually. I have no idea how, but those scenes in the movie were the really “glaring” visuals where for the most part the CG wasn’t too bad for back in 99.

Post a clip of that change?