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#1194567
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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If there is a way to remove the DSII in a quality way, then I would be ok with that. I would be afraid there is not a way to make it look believable or done perfectly to justify it.

I admit when it comes to lightsabers I never personally cared about the colors and whatnot.

For the Obi Wan once that as you do matter, I think I would try to change it to mother. I would not use Padme’s name. That name would mean nothing to Luke, it would have more impact if it was “mother.”

As for the First Order stuff, I would try to show Star Destroyers fleeing after the battle, that would help with the concept of the “early” years of the First Order.

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#1192984
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi - The Dark Cut <strong>(SPOILERS)</strong>
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darthrush said:

During the Supremacy infiltration I have tried out cutting the first section of Finn and Rose at the door. This is when DJ gives the medallion back and Finn calls Poe. The sequence now flows as the following:

Finn and Company Enter Ship
Rey and Kylo in Elevator
Snoke Welcomes Rey
Poe Enters Bridge

And the next you see of Rose and Finn is Poe asking how close they are and them saying “almost there!”, as DJ finishes hacking the door. This feels like a good way to streamline the pacing of the scene and keep it moving and focused on the more interesting aspects of what’s going on. I know some want to extend this sequence with the deleted scene but I have a different goal in mind so I just am curious if this is a good way to do so.

I can’t post any clips till I get back from spring break but wanted ya’lls thoughts on this idea.

Hmmmm, I like that thinking, it fills the gap of time in between nicely. After your spring break I would like to see that!

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#1192978
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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RogueLeader said:

I’ll see if I can find it. Either way I’ll lay out the idea out later.

Very good point. We should definitely keep this in mind once a changelist starts forming, because this could be used on the Kamino Prime Minister.

Another idea I had that could use this technique would be when Obi-Wan first sees R2 in ANH. Instead of saying, “Come here my little friend” he could say “Come here my old friend.” He uses the word ‘old’ at least twice in the Hut conversation I know.
Not saying I want to do that, but it could be an option.

And thanks Hal! I’ll probably message you regarding technical questions, divisive issues or certain ideas I might have later. I’d appreciate your insight!
And keep those TLJ edits coming because they are looking good!

For the Obi Wan and R2 part, that would work pretty good since it keeps the connection between the two of them. After that, he keeps up his facade with Luke (after he is revived) with his semi truths & stories. That is later reinforced at Obi Wan’s house with his reaction with Luke’s questioning about his father.

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#1192668
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The Last Jedi : Fan Edit Ideas - ** <strong>SPOILERS INSIDE</strong> **
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darthrush said:

jarbear said:

That part is not the issue, it would be all the scenes before that would be difficult. When the crew is caught, betrayed, etc.

Ok this makes more sense. My proposal is simply to remove the fight. I haven’t even touched trying to remove her entirely which I agree is pretty difficult.

Totally understand where you are coming from, I was definitely not directing the criticism directly at you … just thinking of the whole thing with Phasma. I think most people here agree to try and get rid of her since it was pretty pointless in the original edit to bring her back.

Granted, it would even add more to the pointlessness to have her there during the capture, betrayal and execution scene and then have her “killed off” from the explosion with the other troops.

If it can be done in a polished way to completely remove her, that would be wonderful!

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#1192652
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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I’d be curious to see a rough idea of that.

It may be possible to enlist the help of those who worked on TFA: Restructured who altered Finn’s line at Maz’s castle. It was done perfectly. Granted it was a lot of work and trial and error, but the results speaks for themselves. Lookint to Obi-Wans scene, if it helps, a few words/mouth movements that are needed for Obi’s lines to help that scene be seamless, that would pay off! Words and sounds could be used for that editing which can be found throughout that movie, along with content from Revenge of the Sith to use. Even other movies if the right sounds are not obtainable, though that can be a bit tough to have the sound of his voice match.

Here is another example of the same technique to help a possible continuity issue:

OBJ: Continuity > ITEM: Obi Wan’s instructor > MEDIA: EpV/EpI > ISSUE: Obi Wan in EpV says Yoda trains him; quote: " There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me. > NOTES: Qui Gon Jinn was his DEPICTED master/instructor > POSSIBLE SOLUTION: Change Obi Wan’s line to “…learn from Yoda, a Jedi Master who instructed me.” This helps open up that Obi Wan learned under multiple Jedi Masters. From prequels, there were plenty of masters who could have trained/instructed/taught different aspects of the force their were more “natural” at … be it meditation, light saber techniques, the living force, etc. With the proper mouth manipulation it can be done seamless since there is plenty of resources where he does make the A/Uh sound.

Granted this is a minor one which can be simply interpreted that Obi Wan was not going to bore Luke with the details. He hasn’t really been completely honest in all things with Luke anyway as well. Shruggy Thing

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#1192590
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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That is a great idea to make a list. Only because you listed this one for an example to work on, I would personally

OBJ: Continuity > ITEM: Leia’s Mother > MEDIA: EpIII/EpVI > ISSUE: Explicit contradiction > NOTES: Dies in childbirth EpIII, remembered as child EpVI > CONSENSUS SOLUTION: Hal9000’s living mother footage to be included in EpIII -or- Remove Leia remembering mother as child (remove dialogue). Padme dies EpIII

I add that as an alternate solution since story/plot wise it is better. It is strange, when you think of it, Padme takes one kid and “ditches” the other one. Story telling it is a bit better.

However, Hal and crew did a FANTASTIC job showing Padme surviving. kudos to Ridley adding the necklace so seamlessly with that scene.

I admit in general I prefer not touching the OT just to make the PT work. However, my views have changed, especially in this case since this project is to link ALL the Skywalker sage the best way possible. To be fair Return of the Jedi does need some editing, like the Luke & Leia conversation … and even Han’s portrayal after the Jaba Act!

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#1192526
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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If you can remove Sifo and the story from Obi wan in that scene in a believable smooth way, it would fix that. If it can keep the elements of a Jedi making the order and Jango keeping his line about Tyranus, the audience can make the connection that Dooku was behind it … He was a Jedi, and at the end of the film, he is teamed up with Sidious, so he is probably Tyranus (Again strictly based on “movie” cannon). But, for the entire canon, it is still vague enough to support the Sifo plot that is drawn out in Clone Wars.

I like that approach a lot … the execution of it is the key!

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#1192490
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The Last Jedi: Legendary (SPOILERS)
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Hal 9000 said:

I’m leaving the ending alone; to me it would be a mistake to remove it in a fan edit. But it’s just MHO.

Here are two clips required in order to remove BB8 with the [Rich Evans] AT-ST [/Rich Evans]. The only problem, apart from potential less-than-perfect editing, is that we do not see BB8 explicitly rejoin our heroes until Poe cuddles him on Crait. Might be okay, though. I took a lead from Buzzclub (the German TLJ edit thread guy).

https://vimeo.com/263272913
and https://vimeo.com/263273045
passwords: fanedit

Those are pretty good there Hal. If there is someone who can do some good CGI work, it is possible (but difficult) to have BB-8 come out from off the camera while Rose and Finn run to the shuttle to catch up to them. The advantage of the possibility is it is not a close up scene, it’s from a distance. So a skilled CGI artist POSSIBLY could make something like that.

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#1192487
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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NeverarGreat said:

I am not concerned about the TV show either, at least with regards to contradicting anything that’s done to the movies. If you start down that path of making sure every product conforms to a strict continuity, forever will it dominate your destiny.

RogueLeader said:

As of now, there are some points I think would be useful for the project’s guidelines:
Continuity. Does this change help tie the movies together? Not all changes have to, but it’s a plus.
Practicality. How realistic or doable is the change?
Motivation. How does the change benefit the narrative? (a flimsy rule atm)

But I think we should still have enough levity for some edits just because they’re “cool”.

Some other things I think could be important are (4)seamlessness and (5)runtime. Seamlessness: can the change be made and still feel professional? Now, there could be radical changes to the movies, but I don’t think the movies should be completely redone, if that makes sense. I think the basics of each movie should be kept, mainly because I like the idea of somebody watching these edits and maybe not initially realizing it is a fan edit, just a lot better than they remembered. I do think maintaining a decent runtime is crucial, and it shouldn’t go under a certain length, because it being too short would make it feel not like a realistic version of the movie, to me at least.

Good guidelines. So as a general rule, continuity would be the most important of these, correct?

If so, perhaps one way to organize this edit would be to come up with a set of changes that forms a subplot linking all of the prequels and beyond. There are many loose threads to follow here, such as:
1: What is the plot of TPM? What does the Trade Federation want? What is Palpatine cooking up? He is surely working on the clone army, what foreshadowing can we concoct?
2: What happened to Sifo-Dyas? How does Tyrannus fit into Palpatine’s plan? Is the Death Star a plan of the Geonosians, or something else?
3: Where did Grevious come from, and what makes him more than a random stock villan? If Plagueis was around in TPM, does that change the film?

You can see how most of these questions arise from confusion about Palpatine’s master plan. Perhaps the organizing principle of these edits is to illuminate this plan.

Just finished watching Hals’ episode 1 & 2, so it is freshly in my mind … For Palp’s plan at TPM, I think it was to seed doubt and uncertainty of the republic’s hold on the galaxy. Revealing the corruption/ineffeciency of the Republic due to the handling of the Naboo Crises.

Dooku sees the corruption and somehow gets connected with Sidious. Exactly when? Don’t know and we can’t really fish that out or portray that in the movie. For Sifo Dyas, he probably foresaw a future war/crises and takes it on himself to build an army in secret. With that being said, he and Dooku were united with the same view on the Republic and teamed up. Or it could have been Palps sending Dooku to manipulate or be a double agent for Sifo. They could have been close allies and Sifo could have revealed his plan to Dooku, or Dooku convinces him to make this secrete army. Heck, Sifo could have figured out Dooku’s true plans or saw Palps as the problem and was assassinated. Or it was Palps plan to make sure things stayed secret since from Obi-Wan’s conversation at Kamino Sifo did not leave the Jedi Order like Dooku.

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#1192472
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A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
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I agree with points from Eddie. If I say some things that already made by him, my apologies.

The grand scope of things, it makes since to make it as consistent as possible. Of course, there may be things that just CANNOT be fixed, at least in a quality-councious way. When it comes to this, some of it will have to fall under the “Point of View” philosophy. Granted, there are things that stretch that too much, and others ok.

For example, when it comes to Obi Wan in a New Hope that seems to contradict the Prequals, I am ok with that myself. He was pretty much hiding things/lying from/to Luke anyway. And some of his statements can fall in line with the “Point of View.” However, the scene with Leia remembering her mother COMPLETELY makes a plot hole. Personally, I would be ok editing that scene to remove that. Simple fix. Let’s be honest, that whole scene between her and Luke was a bit of a mess that needs some cleaning, which even Adywan will be looking at that for his edit.

I will say, in my opinion, not worry too much on the current Cannon or other shows. The focus should be on the “movie” cannon. Granted there have been good additions, such as characters/plots from Clone Wars, some comics, books, etc. But that would just add distractions. There would be things that would be too much work to try and make it work that affects the quality.

All in all, at the end I think the collaboration should focus on the quality of the movie. Essentaily a person watches it and believes it was something that was from Lucas/Disney. I appreciate some peoples fan edits where they make BIG changes and do their own shots/cgi/etc, but it isn’t polished.

That’s my two-three cents.

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#1192216
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The Last Jedi : Fan Edit Ideas - ** <strong>SPOILERS INSIDE</strong> **
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pleasehello said:

jarbear said:

pleasehello said:

darthrush said:

jarbear’s idea of swapping the shots sounds like a solid idea.

Ahem! 😉

How come I feel like Thomas Jefferson and you are Tesla …

You mean Edison? Couldn’t say, haha.

I was mostly joking of course. It doesn’t matter whose idea it was.

Lol, need coffee… 😉

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#1192215
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Revenge of the Jedi (The Snooker edit)
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NeverarGreat said:

snooker said:

I have gotten back to where I was before in editing!

Here’s a change that I’ve been working on that I would like some help with:

https://vimeo.com/260659255
Password: Vader

I feel like 2004 JEJ doesn’t mesh well with 82 JEJ, and I can’t make “the” sound right. Does anybody have any advice? Thanks!

The final ‘e’ of ‘the’ isn’t pronounced enough. You could use another ‘ee’ sound like the end of ‘will be’ and blend it into that section.

snooker said:

Emperor’s Eclipse preview

https://vimeo.com/260058583

Password: Sheev

Looking at this again, it would help to show a closeup of the docking bay from the outside, like in the original film with the Death Star.

Pretty much everything Nev said. The “e” sound would be pretty easy to do. I am liking the star destroyer, it’s looking pretty cool thus far!