jarbear

poppasketti said:

NeverarGreat said:

I would even advocate for more extreme damage such as a hole in one of the wings and/or burn damage. Really sell the idea that it’s been through a Death Star explosion!

Heh, maybe I could try a little more! A lot gets covered up by the haze, but also the thing has to be flyable. It’s a little improbable either way!

Edit: It just occurred to me it’s hard to see some of these details on the vimeo. I made the file downloable from the link, and if you click the “Original” file it should give you the prores.

Needs more aging, so add bird poo on the glass. 😉

poppasketti said:

I updated the shuttle shot to add a little bit of damage/wear! I agree with smpearce that it would help sell the model a little more:

Shuttle Tie Replacement
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Also, here’s the falcon going into hyperspace with the ties removed:

Falcon Hyperspace - Ties Removed
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Skenera did a great job extending the shot, but now the the ties are gone you may not need that extra time.

Also also, for the Mustafar establishing shots, if we come up with a sequence that Hal is happy with, adding 1-2 shots, I can probably add the ties to whichever shots are chosen. Rather than mock-up so many different shots with ties though, I was thinking to wait until a sequence is cut that everyone’s on board with. The only shot that would be of questionable difficulty is the first RO shot going through the clouds, but if that cuts well with the others leading to Kylo on the ground we can try to make that work!

Beautiful … just … beautiful!

nl0428 said:

jarbear said:

Had a few minutes of free time, thinking back about removing the “early Chewy reveal” which Dominic came up on his thread of ideas by removing that scene and replacing it with Kylo and Palp’s conversation a little later. It totally works.

This is SUPER rough and just to see how it can work. just need to tweak the music a bit and use some TIE sound clips to replace the original ones since their sound gets mixed with Hux’s voice a little bit at the end. Totally doable if one sits and play around with it.

https://vimeo.com/421187246
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There is no video feed playing.

Yeah, that’s weird!

Here’s a new one:

https://vimeo.com/421270640
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Had a few minutes of free time, thinking back about removing the “early Chewy reveal” which Dominic came up on his thread of ideas by removing that scene and replacing it with Kylo and Palp’s conversation a little later. It totally works.

This is SUPER rough and just to see how it can work. just need to tweak the music a bit and use some TIE sound clips to replace the original ones since their sound gets mixed with Hux’s voice a little bit at the end. Totally doable if one sits and play around with it.

https://vimeo.com/421187246
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poppasketti said:

Slight update (same link):
https://vimeo.com/420155526
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I did actually bump the scale up a little bit. The model was about 1100 pixels high when it should have been about 1300. I didn’t scale it all the way up, though, because it didn’t pass the eye test for me, and like Nev said, it could just have landed a little farther away. (I can bump it back down if this doesn’t feel right, though).

jarbear said:

The next trick I think is the lighting for the shuttle. I think the shuttle’s lightest light is a little too white or “bright.”

You have a good eye, jarbear! However, I wasn’t trying to match the lighting of the X-wing, I tried to match the lighting of the original Tie Fighter. Both the Tie and the shuttle have very sharp vertical wings which reflected super white in the original shot. I think it’s also because of the angle, where the X-wing is completely backlit from the lightning, creating a different effect.

Oh yeah, I gotcha, that makes sense with the approach then. The increase in size is noticeable, in a good way.

This shot is looking really good. I am living it a lot!

Ok the “foggy-ness” is better on it, very nice!

So now I again watched it and took a comparison of the X-wing and the shuttle.

The next trick I think is the lighting for the shuttle. I think the shuttle’s lightest light is a little too white or “bright.”

For example, when I compare the X-wing’s edges where the light is, it is not as “bright” as the shuttle’s light spots.

Is there a way to tone it down a little?

What you are doing is amazing and I could never, ever even attempt this kind of work! It’s so neat!

It’s looking better and better.

Would it be tough to try and make it more “faded” or look like there is more fog around it like the X wing? When I kept pausing in spots, the shuttle is much more crisp than the x-wing. It may help it blend in a little better.

Still, the shuttle is much better than the TIE fighter since it actually makes sense. Lol.

Hey Hal, out of curiosity, whoever makes the crawl, (I both can’t make one nor write one) could there be a few alternates based on a Mustafar removal or not?

Not that you have to have multiple versions, but the crawls in your edits look so good and I would like to use yours as a base but will most likely remove the Mustafar Minute and use what Popa did.

Hal 9000 said:

krausfadr said:

No lightspeed conversation, smooth and less abrupt:

https://streamable.com/h4chc8

I also cut some of Poe repeating himself.

That’s good! Little is lost and it flows well. In that case, would Skenera or anyone else like to visually extend the end of the iceberg escape scene with the Falcon jumping to lightspeed but without TIEs?

I agree the flow is pretty good. What I would do to help simulate Finn is approaching them is to have some leaf stepping sounds that leads up to his appearance.

Also Hal, yes, please someone take out the TIES making that jump would be perfect.

Jonh? Poppa?

😉

There wouldn’t be confusion if you have a sentence in the crawl. The Mustafar minute raises more questions when you watch the movie with its crawl since it is so rushed without any narrative.

If you have a sentence at the end of the crawl that says Kylo obtained the thing to lead him to a place is far less confusing then what is presented in the movie as is.

Did the original movie cause confusion when it said the rebellion obtained the plans to the Death Star and then see a ship being chased? Was the audience like "How did they get it? What are the Death Star Plans? How hard was it?

No, we didn’t. Why? We got a simple explanation. The Mustafar minute, without any real context or good explanation still is just a lot of stuff happening. It would be better if there was more deleted scene stuff to help it out … but I don’t know if we will get it to help add to it.

The removal of it is an eloquent solution, personally.

poppasketti said:

Love reading the discussion (getting heated, but I think in a good way?!)

So you can better perceive the mockup of the open without Mustafar, I made a (quick) pass at the audio:
TROS - Alt Opening without Mustafar
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Works for me!

^ The issue is not the line, its removing the awkward shot of Luke, which we appreciate Jonh “upgrading” his hair in the other scenes. So if you have to remove a line/shot to improve on his appearance, the line is not important to the movie itself in which if you remove it it “breaks” the movie.

WIth what you’ve done Jonh, it is true we don’t NEED the line.

But the thing Poppa sent is the END of the sequence. So who cares, Rey’s scene later shows how difficult the journey through it was.

Example:
If a person filmed the first person to cross the line of a marathon and then later in the film they highlight someone else running the whole thing, or different sections of it, that doesn’t mean the first person crossing the finish line at the beginning of the film does not diminish how hard the track was for him/her.

poppasketti said:

jonh said:

I personally still think that the movie should start with this clip. And completely erase mustafar. (Which doesn’t seem to mustafar)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4k12QPAh_c

Good call, jonh! Here’s a quick mockup of that idea:
TROS - Alt Opening without Mustafar
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Yeah, I agree. I think of the issues the Mustafar scene has, the simple one I remember raised here is that it was unusual for a Star Wars opening to smash-cut from space to a planet surface. Usually there’s a couple establishing flybys. It’s one of the many pacing issues, and a little scene buffer could help.

Personally, I’m indifferent to Mustafar. Kewlfish, Chase Adams and others have done a good job mining options for this. I do think the battlefront footage, while fun, feels like a lot of extra outside material. If we do add 1-2 establishing shots to this scene, I think they should be simple shots that match well with the Kylo stuff.

I’m personally good with that. My original preference is something like that and was being “hopeful” for those to “make Mustafar work.”

Maybe having two alt openings, this one and one with Mustafar as editors are working on it. (I like this simpler approach. Alternatively, maybe even using some of the fight shots of Kylo could be used during his “vision” scene so not so much used material from the previous movies are used, even just one quick flash of the battle)

Here is an idea to use both the Helmet scene and the beginning but ALSO use Dominic’s new and improved Kylo vision that leads the reforging of the helmet.

To focus more on Dominc’s vision part, instead of using the helmet scene, what if “we” were to use the deleted scene of Kylo on the bridge form TLJ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9SRnq1FiMw

This is shown whenever after his meet up with palps. Then que in Kylo’s vision/flash backs with dialogue that Dominic did and then cut to the helmet being reforged.

Could that work?

For the TIE thing with Kylo, my vote is using Vader’s TIE. Kinda poetic we see Luke’s X Wing and Vader’s TIE together.

We already know we have to dispel disbelief on a many things, so why not that?

As for the crawl idea, I think I am personally not sold on the idea of Kylo looking for a rumored imperial fleet. The reason is we know what is goal is, looking for a Sith Wayfinder to lead him … to something related to the Sith. The Wayfinder he is looking for is his grandfather’s, Darth Vader, who himself said from the very first Star Wars movie “Don’t be too proud of this technological terror you’ve constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.” It’s all about the Force.

If the wording is more on the lines of (Not exact since writing is not my speciality) “Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren has traveled to Mustafar, chasing dark whispers hinting a power to destroy any threat to his empire…”

Anyway, just my two cents. Plus its a nod back to Revenge of the Sith with Anakin’s foolish thought when chatting with Obi-Wan at the end about “His Empire” as well as to Padme thinking he is in control … when he really isn’t.

The poll was fascinating as well as the results.

Sigh, this movie.

But I will be optimistic that these good editors will make it more enjoyable. (Granted if you turn off parts of your mind, you’ll be a bit entertained. My friends are way more positive than I am, they pretty much enjoy every moment in Star Wars movies. Lol.)

Also side note from your post above EddieDean regarding Holdo, it’s fun learning new things! I say that about the hair color since I remembered peopling talking about it and wanted it changed and I don’t remember reading why … so that explained that complaint to me. Thanks! haha!

Wow there’s so much going on, hard to comment on it all!

First the Vader & establishing shots are looking good and progressing nicely! Inserting those will really help out in keeping the Mustafar scene at the beginning. If the Vader helmet scene is used towards the beginning, even inserting a shot or two or whatever would also help sell “Vader” guiding Kylo to the Wayfinder at Mustafar.

It’s all looking great. Also Poppa making those adjustments with the TIES and the removal of the mountains with the Rey Skywalker scene is fantastic!

Also the topic of moving the Han scene with Kylo is interesting and I dod recall this topic some time back. I would need to sit on it and think, since I like it help bolster the idea of “Leia used all she could to project Han’s memory and not just saying “ben” and then die.” That aspect I like and all. But visually it doesn’t jive for me since Ben/Kylo is scarless. Unless someone “put back” his scar to rearrange it … it doesn’t work. A person can rationalize why he doesn’t have the scar for Reason A or Reason B during that sequence … but a person watching it would catch that.

szopman said:

jonh said:

leia, luke and ben force ghost ending…
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ieKbvLXpG5ZHXBicNtOf8PYuM7jqqNGa

For me Ben looks too CGI but I know you will improve it just as u did this amazing force ghosts stuff before 😃

Thats looking pretty good, a great start! I don’t know if its a CGI look as it is he’s so stiff so it makes him “look fake.” IF there is some movement on Ben’s part, it would make it seem more real!

@Dorksyde I understand where you are coming from, but even Disney doesn’t care about Canon from their own work…

(One of the many, MANY, examples: Poe meets Rey for the first time in The Last Jedi in the movie, but in The Force Awakens Novel they meet. Again, just a small example of MANY discrepancies.)

That’s the point of these fan edits in that they don’t have to follow “Cannon.”

“We” Make these edits and Adjustments that makes sense in the context of the movie or the trilogies to “our” liking.

As interesting and impressive of a task that is Jonh … I am the guy who hated everything about Rebels so anything that plays tribute to it, especially the “World between Worlds” and Time Travel crap … it’s a nope for me.

However, again, impressive as always and am still absolutely amazed at what you can do! The Force Ghost stuff you did is masterful!

DominicCobb said:

I’m curious to see what people might come up with putting the helmet scene at the start. The fact that he knows Palps is behind Vader’s voice is definitely an important question. In my edit I tried to solve this by having Kylo hear Palps’s voice when he touches the helmet, so basically it’s like Kylo was checking to see if what he said was true.

Here is a SUPER rough implantation of the helmet scene moving up I put in Hal’s thread:

The mirroring of the Vader Castle does make it seem like its a new shot (along with the removal of Krennic’s ship)

What can also help sell that too is if you don’t use the “whole” clip.

Here is a quick and dirty rough idea if moving the Vader helmet scene towards the beginning. As for the middle of it, I didn’t do anything to it since I wanted to show just the “kylo” footage with Vader’s helmet. Obviously the idea would be to alter all that flashback/imagery/sounds/etc. to fit more on the lines of “Vader” guiding Kylo.

Just super rough idea playing with a bit this afternoon:

https://vimeo.com/418658350
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As for what you did, I like the concept a whole lot. It is a MUCH better implantation than what the movie did with it. I admit, it still makes you wonder why use the helmet if Kylo already knows Palps is behind it … not his grandfather.

The mirroring of the Vader Castle does make it seem like its a new shot (along with the removal of Krennic’s ship)

What can also help sell that too is if you don’t use the “whole” clip.

Here is a quick and dirty rough idea if moving the Vader helmet scene towards the beginning. As for the middle of it, I didn’t do anything to it since I wanted to show just the “kylo” footage with Vader’s helmet. Obviously the idea would be to alter all that flashback/imagery/sounds/etc. to fit more on the lines of “Vader” guiding Kylo.

Just super rough idea playing with a bit this afternoon:

https://vimeo.com/418658350
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