jarbear

Lots to go through! Haha!

I admit my eye can see things well, and the BF footage sticks out to me because of both lighting and movement is not natural. Specifically when the troops are “out in the open.”

That being said, the shots of t he landing ships and the troopers inside it are ok since it removes the issues of lighting and “people” movement.

Now for what poppa did with the squeaky wheel stuff, that’s looking very promising, good work!

I’ll admit it, it does seem very disjointed with the mix of video game footage and different sources that personally don’t jive for me.

I commend the hard work people did on it and I know I have no room to say much since I can’t even come close to doing work like that at all.

I downloaded the file too and have to say it looks a lot better poppa!

That is already an improvement! I’ll take a look on my computer to get a bigger screen look!

Oh yeah baby, liking that! Anything to remove that pointless subplot!

I haven’t taken the time to comment on some of the new clips.

For MoviesRemastered, those look really good and seamless so far, especially the “quick” execution scene. Fantastic. The quicksand scene as well is seamless to me as well. May not be as “needed” to be shortened, but is done very well. I like it.

For Poppa’s Orchi stuff. it is looking better, but it isn’t quite there yet. It still sticks out to me, which is a combination of it being a still image simply shrinking and has soft edges.

I think the only way to make it look convincing is if there is a 3d model someone can rig to be used as opposed to a still image, it will continue to stick out since we need some subtle rocking and a not so smooth trajectory. Of course, that’s just my own opinion.

Your removal of Klaud is fantastic, not to mention you ending scene with the Falcon is great.

Ok, I had some spare time and came up with a ROUGH idea on what to do.

The biggest issue I had was cutting out Rey and Fin’s quick conversation. People’s positions change during that and we are then cut with Poe leading the way with C3PO and the rest of them in different spots. It seemed to “choppy” to go from Poe and Rey holding up their “lights” and then cut to the scene they are walking. I needed a buffer, or a way to express some time passed to “explain” their different “line up.”

It hit me. “Wait, after they get out of the “Snake Cave of Dreams” don’t we get the spinning Knights of Ren scene AND another establishing shot right after that!?” And we do!

So you will see that I moved the “Spinning Knights” to make that buffer. Take a look!

Again, it is ROUGH and no changes to music/sounds/etc. Just a rough draft. I also placed a still image of the Rebel base dialogue for a few seconds instead of uploading the whole scene to save time and Vimeo space.

https://vimeo.com/431974515
PW: fanedit

poppasketti said:

Here’s the two Klaud removal shots:
https://vimeo.com/431939234
pw: fanedit

Link is downloadable and it’s also in the “Master Clips” folder!

Nice work! Your work is awesome!

Hal 9000 said:

I’d be okay with removing the confession thing as long as it’s reference underneath the sand can be handled in a way that is not jarring. Cutting abruptly to Poe leading the way with the flashlight is.

I may play with that a bit one of these days and see. Initial thought is remove all references of it and do away with the Poe and Finn bickering before they “execution” … basically tightening that scene up would be easy.

Poor Finn, his character was so mishandled. The most interesting thing about him from TFA was a stormtrooper who turned (showing storm troopers could be more than just drones) that would have been something totally new and have his character build upon that with the Star Wars brand. (Which the leak Dual of the Fates script built upon, that was a good direction IMO)

… and then in this movie … the crew meets up with A WHOLE PLATOON OF TURNED STORMTROOPERS who essentially said “Hey, you know what was cool and unique with your character at the beginning of the trilogy, not so unique anymore! (cue in Nelson’s “Ha Ha!”)”

Anyway, with the whole thing regarding Finn’s proclamation of not telling Rey something. It was still baffling in theaters what HE wanted to say to her, but also, the context of the scene. (Yes, we see throughout the movie it heavily implies he is force sensitive, but again, not really points to what he wanted to say to her.)

The crew, made up of close friends, are probably about to be buried in quicksand and die. The last thing while he wants to say before he dies to his close friend is “I may be force sensitive?!”

Just think about it. The logic and context of the scene is baffling. Let’s say you are with a bunch of friends swimming in the ocean and you all get caught by an under current. You are all about to drown, and one of your friends turns to you and says: “INSERT NAME HERE, I always wanted to tell you I can bowl a perfect 300 game!”

Impressive. Yes. Interesting? Sure. But in that context, makes no sense to blurt out as his/her dying last words.

So although I don’t think you can get around that scene, the context of it MAKES NO SENSE for him to shout that out. You ASSUME you are about to die. That’s what his last dying word(s) will be for that moment? So for me its the context of the scene. That’s what I have a problem with it, personally. On top of that … he then keeps it as a secret the whole time? Really?

That ends my TED Talk.

Hal 9000 said:

Clips (but no chips) (but ships!):

https://vimeo.com/431236341
https://vimeo.com/431236376
https://vimeo.com/431236416

OH yeah, nice work! Digging this direction.

That’s good idea to add a whisper when she’s on the Destroyer to grab the dagger. Nice idea.

Hal 9000 said:

Yeah, you all convinced me on the “come home” point, provided what Dominic or anyone does with it sounds natural.

And thanks to all for input, resources, and mockups for the Sith whispers. We should be able to pretty solidly put that to rest. The blade compass thing wasn’t the worst thing in the movie, so I wasn’t really even thinking about it, but it’s good to implement a decent workaround.

I think the only whispers like that occur around the Wayfinders in the movie. If so, perhaps I could revisit the whispers that Kylo hears at the beginning, to make Rey’s more unique, presumably to the dagger.

If you are going for the whispers my route with Rey and the dagger, you can use the whispers you used for your rough draft that came from SWTOR ambient music. Those are more masculine, so they could fit with Kylo’s Sith whispers? That way they are both distinct, or at least not using the same sound if you are wanting to go that route!

Hal, want me to send a full quality of the Sith whispers clip? Or will ya make your own?

I like the more subtle approach if one was to add that to the scene.

Hal 9000 said:

jarbear said:

I did a quick rough draft of the Sith whispers during Rey’s climb up to the throne.

https://vimeo.com/431079011
PW:fanedit

Yeah, that’s the idea! Nice work. The only thing missing is some sort of shot of her holding the knife, but I think it’ll work well enough.

Well, Jonh and Poppa, you are up for the knife being held out at some point! lol!

Edit: finally I did something helpful!

I did a quick rough draft of the Sith whispers during Rey’s climb up to the throne.

https://vimeo.com/431079011
PW:fanedit

Hal 9000 said:

jarbear said:

This was my SUPER rough idea with the Sith Whisper stuff I was working on:

https://vimeo.com/431017550
PW:fanedit

What’s the source for those whispers? They sound more similar to the ones Rey hears when the door opens in the DSII throne room. Not to mention that they are feminine, and better able to tap into her inner conflict.

JKMaxx posted a linked file that had some audio files of “Sith whispers” from a KOTAR game. They were actually characters whispering, but work well.

https://mega.nz/file/uhBVDAhT#_o63vwUfco9RGVtjoC5d3jbUN0MWOnNvzls6hBEhkGw

I’m playing around with the Rey in DSII scenes and I think it may work well.

Lol I re read my comment and I am terrible at writing. Sorry if it’s not the clearest.

So to “finish” this concept of whispers is to have some of those whispers during Rey’s journey through the wreckage. She will need to have some guidance since there is no exact spot reveal now. Fortunately it’s a simple thing to add in. They can either get louder/more frequent/whatever as she gets close.

It’s also a good addition this route since how did try figure out how to get in the throne room exactly? It would have been so easy to get lost in there. Especially during the boat ride would get you a bit turned around and there was no guarantee of an opening right next to the throne room area.

So having those whispers while she is exploring/climbing also is a simple but effective way of being guided to it, again, relying on the dark side once again to make the struggle with the dark and light which kind of later reveals she may have gone through striking down Palps later in the movie if Ben wasn’t there.

Hal 9000 said:

Here’s another test. I just dropped the whispers in, and I’d blend them in and adjust volume once we’re happy with placement. That extra shot helps a lot, actually. I can’t tell if the second whisper makes the cutaway to riders more abrupt, or if it is effective at implying the voices are guiding her into the DSII.

https://vimeo.com/431012689

Oh my so good. Kill the McMuffin’s little McMuffin that leads to the other McMuffin!

This was my SUPER rough idea with the Sith Whisper stuff I was working on:

https://vimeo.com/431017550
PW:fanedit

Hal 9000 said:

Here’s a test for the Sith whisper thing. At least the first chunk of it. It’s unfortunately a little cramped since there’s no extra footage to work with and the arrival of the riders comes up suddenly.

https://vimeo.com/431003047

I was legit working on this yesterday and ran out of time! Haha! I had something like that. It’s already better.

To help add some kind of breathing room before the rider’s appear, there is that shot of Rey looking at the DSII wreckage after she “pops out the pointer thing” and looks at the wreckage before she then raises up the blade. its about 2 seconds of footage.

With that idea, I would have the whispers be softer when she first looks at it, but then when we see her now look at the death start, the whispers are louder?

Hal 9000 said:

Too many things to comment on at the moment!

I think skipping “Leia knew it too” is the way to go.

I’d happily remove Klaud if those two shots can be worked on to remove him.

I’ll try again to remove the lightspeed skipping dialogue.

I’ll try a quick cross fade as Finn senses Rey dying. Good idea!

I plan to include lines for the Knights of Ren from the other thread, but probably just a couple.

Hey there Hal, just watched the edit. It is already a vast improvement on what we got. There has already been quite the discussion on things and to not add on so much, I like this direction you plan on doing. There are still 2 major eye rolls for me, which you plan on fixing by removing the “Leia knew” thing. It totally breaks the first two movies quite frankly. Especially Luke in TLJ.

Anyway, the other eye roll is still the dagger “pop out” on Endor that points to the location of the Wayfinder. A simpler thing to do is to remove that pop out and make use of Sith whispers to “guide” Rey.

It’s a Sith thing, has dark side power to it and she has been guided by it before. (Sensing it on the Destroyer before her first duel with Kylo.)

The pop out part is just so … cheesy. Too Gooney. Also, it really makes no sense why they dude would chose a specific spot on “Endor,” made a design to “line” up with the DSII spot. It’s so bad.

Sith whispers is such a simple solution.

I see it’s available … nice.