jarbear

Whoops, glitch, disregard the double post! Disregard it I say!

Hal 9000 said:

To address an idea from Dom’s thread: I will more than likely end up releasing the regular (Rey Palpatine) version before a Rey Nobody version. In case there’s some huge issue that gets glossed over, I’d rather just fix one than two!

That makes sense … things always come up.

I was thinking about things … well, mainly how Disney screwed the pooch with Star wars sequel trilogy, that the whole “Skywalker Family Saber” arc is quite silly-er. Especially with Rey being a palpatine, the scene in TFA makes even less sense … why would the saber call out to a palpatine?

Anyway, nothing to do with this edit specifically … just how … disconnected these movies are and add things that just don’t makes sense.

Sigh.

For the castle stuff, I think my idea of a sign behind Kylo can say “Vader’s Castle 2.2 miles and Darth Cupcakes 3.1 miles” would work so well!

NeverarGreat said:

CMMAP said:

Octorox said:

I think nerdy forum geeks like us act broken.

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Hal 9000 said:

Kewlfish, I can’t seem to make anything of the clip you posted of Rey’s training sequence. It appears to be in a codec none of my tools can process. Any ideas, or could you perhaps export to ProRes?

Here’s a clip anway, with my audio but no visual changes yet. The effect isn’t super audible very often, nor should it be. https://vimeo.com/442788429

It’s subtle. I like it.

JakeRyan17 said:

jarbear said:

Ah yeah, that’s the order. My bad about the intel timing and all. Never mind.

Still personally again the corny fortnite lines.

I get that the Fortnite message is corny, and I agree… but it’s still a better way to give this information. So much of the film is corny that if you cut all that’s corny out, you might have slightly more than a trailer.

This new villain, who was presumed dead for over 30 years within continuity and in the real world has very little setup to being a threat still. That’s why I’m one that thinks this message should be in The Last Jedi after Snoke does and just before Luke arrives on Crait and Kylo’s travelling to Exegol (with the Mustafar sequence fully cut) should replace Rey travelling to Ahch-To in The Force Awakens.

For those that don’t like seeding Palpatine into the other films, I think having this broadcast, or at least part of it, in this Resistance meeting helps act as proof that Palpatine has returned, it’s something they can tangibly witness (unlike Poe’s “Somehow, Palpatine returned” line).

I get that thinking. At least for me, using Poppa or Hal’s Hal’s Last Jedi already hints at Palps. As well as a small taser in Hal’s TFA. (The TLJ in both versions is a heavy imply right at the end.)

So using either of those two edits for TLJ already “warms us up” to Palpatine’s return. Hench, still in my head, this is not necessary with those edits in mind as well as not using the silly lines.

No, not the timer!

jarbear said:

Ah yeah, that’s the order. My bad about the intel timing and all. Never mind.

Still personally against the corny fortnite lines.

Ah yeah, that’s the order. My bad about the intel timing and all. Never mind.

Still personally again the corny fortnite lines.

The board conversation talks about Palpatine, the fleet, etc. Not sure what the hang up is. Yes, the baddies talk about a spy. So what? Many bothans were killed for intel for the rebellion … did that stop the rebellion? Did they just … not listen to the intel because people died getting it?

What does it matter if Kylo says he’s going to hunt her … the resistance are always being hunted by FO and Rey would not go and do anything if Kylo says he is looking for her? The Psuedo Sith hunting the psudo Jedi? That’s kind of par for the course. Why would that stop her from doing anything?

Plus on Pasaana they have a line to keep low since their are FO patrols … so … that fits with being hunted too.

Also, as a simple audio thing too, there can be a small clicking sound and some point during the board room discussion at some point, which could be the starting point of the “leaked” conversation to the Resistance. It such a small thing but people could recognize that if they watch the movie again and make the connection. Nothing super obvious, but just a “hint” to the audience if they watch it again.

Ok, so its based on that line of Poe, not that the Resistance got the intel. Ok, that clears up that part since that was a bit confusing.

I think the better solution if people or really hounding on needing the resistance hear something. Forget the goofy broadcast. Just have part of the conversation of the First Order in their board room. Put some radio affect on it and THAT is the intel they got. Essentially, Hux recorded the conversation and sent it, with out intel, to the Spy to relay. That way, the Resistance hears part of that recording, that the audience has heard, and the next scene is the Resistance all together.

This allows 1.) Show and not tell (just need a section of the “board room meeting” audio distorted to achieve this). and 2.) The good guys can still can be at a disbelief on what they’ve heard and keep the lines of “Can we believe this?” and “Somehow he is alive” if needed.

Win win.

(The fortnite lines are just too corny, sorry.)

Wait, the resistance never got the message? Huh? Im a bit lost on that one Jake. What do you mean by that?

JakeRyan17 said:

jarbear said:

Hal 9000 said:

Eh, we just start the scene with the Palpatine message already playing, concluding right before Rose asks, “Do we believe this?” The audience doesn’t need to be told it’s Palpatine; we met him already.

It feels like people are getting all hooked up on the resistance not hearing something or having something played for them? Palps has been revealed to the audience, does their need to be some like … more confirmation of that? The resistance is already surprised by this and can’t believe it … do what’s the issue? I’m trying to follow this rational but don’t quite get it.

Because he was revealed to the Audience, not the Resistance. There are a lot of things that get revealed to the audience but not the heroes, such as Chewie’s survival. If it’s a major foundation to the motivation of the heroes, it should be in the film.

They decode the intel and Poe says “Palpatine is alive.” They learn of his “survival/revival” from the message. So … it is revealed to them. They get intel from a spy and then tell their group what it says, in which Palps is alive. So … yeah. It is revealed. Both sides know he is alive without them literally having to hear and/or see stuff with the audience. Again. The audience knows, they know it by confirming it on screen.

At the moment it feels like the idea is to shoe horn something in that is not necessary and using a goofy line to be honest.

We also do need to know this is a movie and “the visual and audio reveal” has happened. There is no need for both sides to get the same treatment on screen. They both acknowledge learning of it. No need to keep driving the point in.

Hal 9000 said:

Eh, we just start the scene with the Palpatine message already playing, concluding right before Rose asks, “Do we believe this?” The audience doesn’t need to be told it’s Palpatine; we met him already.

It feels like people are getting all hooked up on the resistance not hearing something or having something played for them? Palps has been revealed to the audience, does their need to be some like … more confirmation of that? The resistance is already surprised by this and can’t believe it based on the intel they have … so what’s the issue? I’m trying to follow this rational but don’t quite get it.

What seems kinda odd about this approach is … are they playing that message over the ship’s comms so everyone on board is listening to it? I feel like I’m walking in a hallway at school during the morning’s announcements.

If there was an extended scene of all those generals and whatnot sitting in the room to have them listen to part of the message could work, but we don’t have that kind of footage.

And the other half is the dialogue. I’m sorry, i still just don’t get the appeal. For fans of it, I do apologize if it comes off as rude … I just don’t get it personally.

Hal, stay on the high ground! No silly broadcast from a random video game thingy. Lol.

<Insert Kylo your still holding on Meme.>

Hahaha had to do it.

jonh said:

Hello!
Sorry for not having done anything these weeks, I have started the work and we are shooting during July and August, in September I will have more free time to finish the clips of Ben Solo Force Ghosts and Luke’s hair on the island. 😃
MTFBWY for everyone! 😃

No excuses Jonh! Forget work, your focus should clearly be on a fan edit for a bunch of Star Wars fans. Get your priorities straight! 😉

Ah I stand corrected. My goodness George needed another guy during the making of those movies. My apologies.

I still stand by my removing of the timer. Lol.

JakeRyan17 said:

Revenge of the Sith takes place over the course of about a week or so. She’s been hiding her pregnancy, and Anakin had been away from home or about six months. The twins might’ve been slightly premature, but Revenge of the Sith doesn’t stretch out for months.

She started with no baby bump at the beginning of the movie to giving birth at the end of it. What are you talking about?

Are you saying a woman only has a baby bump a few weeks before giving birth?

Ed Slushie said:

JakeRyan17 said:

regularjoe said:

Generally agree about the time lock tied in with the beacon.
However.
They have 70 bajillion souped up Star Destroyers hanging out there.
You destroy the beacon…um…they build another one. Or two. Just to be safe.
Unless they’re out of building resouces from crafting 70 bajillion souped up Star Destroyers.

That’s a plot hole written by JJ Abrams and Chris Terrio… luckily Palpatine explodes or something and all the ships blow up too? It’s kinda unclear… They do blow up a few by destroying the canons, but the majority just… ¯_(ツ)_/¯

They get stuck without the navigation signal from the capital ship.

That’s the beauty of simply removing the timer. The plot, and motivation for the resistance is to destroy the navigation stuff. That’s the main goal. Of course we can all argue “but why wouldn’t they build another navigation system or other reason.” That’s all moot since the movie/plot tells us what the heroes need to do, even if it doesn’t make sense. It’s there. Just use it.

Plus, again another major issue I have is this movie is saying all these major events occurs
In 16 hours, in which revenge of the Sith lasted the time padme was pregnant and gave birth. Let that sink in for a moment.

REMOVE THE TIMER.

Hal 9000 said:

I hadn’t considered it like that but you’re right: the rush is the logistics of the fleet taking off. My only concern is that this may not be clear until late in the film. There are a few times during the adventure when characters say “We don’t have time to X.”

And that’s an interesting read on the Leia death, with Rey feeling responsible for it. That makes sense! I’ll have to play with the scene, though, unless there’s a mock-up out there I may just not be remembering right now. If Rey stabbing Kylo is followed by Rey dropping headphones, there’d be a lot to cram in from Leia before seeing her give out altogether.

For the first part, yes, they don’t have time for “x” because they need to hurry up and stop the fleet. Why the rush? It is explained at the briefing. We can stop them in their tracks if we destroy their beacon. Once they are out, it’s game over. That’s how they even HAD A CHANCE to win with a small fleet. Destroy the beacon, they are trapped. Game over for the baddies.

I really think this is simple, no other work needs to be done, just remove the timer, which makes no sense. What’s 16 hours in a galaxy? How do you do it if we are talking about different planets, different solar rotations, planet spinning, etc. Just removing that stupid timer is such a breath of fresh air. We get an explanation on the rush. Think about this all, the movie itself doesn’t explain things. How did Palps live? (Disney still hasn’t given a clear answer, they go back and forth.) What did Finn want to say to Rey (RJ Tweeted it since it was explained or talked about in the movie) How did the Wayfinder survive in Kylo’s TIE when it EXPLODED? (Oh yeah, plot armor) How did Ben reach Exegol in a standard TIE Fighter? (Oh yeah, RJ tweeted it was a special TIE with hyperdrive even though its been established those TIES do not.)

Let’s not get too caught up on full on explanations.

Hal 9000 said:

If someone can come up with an alternative line that still does the trick, I’m open to it!

I still don’t think much needs to be done to alleviate it if we understand the plan to stop the fleet.

During the intel, they got the details they need about the ships and the planet: They can’t leave unless they are guided out. Destroy their “beacon,” they are stuck. So the “hurry” aspect is, you gotta stop them before they leave. They are all “grouped” together in one spot that rely’s on a “beacon” to get them out. Once they are out, how can they even try to stop each destroyer before they “blow stuff up?” It would be impossible.

That is where the hurry is. There was NO need for a timer, the stakes are there: Stop the ships before they leave. They have a weakness: They need to be guided out. Destroy their guide, the threat is eliminated.

There is your more logical timer. The audience doesn’t need to have an explicit timer told to them since the war room explained the situation and the logic on why you need to “hurry up and stop them before they leave.”

When you have a container of water with a hole in it. You don’t need a timer to know when it’s too late to recover the water. Your finger needs to quickly plug the hole since you can’t really scoop all the water back in with your hands once it is all out.

EDIT: Chainsaw, that’s how I view that scene too, Rey FORCEFULLY stabbed Leia. Hence her exile. She “messed up” like Luke did, hence the pattern she was following

It has been awhile since I’ve watched the original film, but is the mention of their planet destroying abilities tied into the kijimi destruction? Wasn’t it mentioned before that happened? If that line is NOT tied to that sequence, we don’t need to see it happen. It is strange in itself that ONE destroyer is let out no problem but a whole fleet can’t? That part in itself was odd.

If the LINE about their planet destroying ability is kept in since it is separate from the planet destruction scene, we don’t need that scene at all and it keeps the “stakes high” as well as not needing to wonder “How did they survive the planet’s destruction” thought with Babu and crew.