jarbear

Simple solution: Have a news team on Exegol and a reporter reports on it:

“This is John FranchiseKiller with Canon news. I’m here on an apparent ‘Sith’ world where the battle between Resistance aided by everyone in the galaxy, a civilian militia in some ways, that outnumbers the Nazi-like Regime First Order … or Final Order … whatever they are calling themselves right now who are equipped with some vintage ships is just about over now. As you can see behind me these so-called Star Destroyers are being destroyed by both Resistance ships and many, many Civilian ships. It’s a slaughter Tom.”

“John, does this civilian militia seems to be connected with those attacking the First Order or Final Order around the galaxy?”

"It could be Tom, it appears to be like the reports we have been hearing that people around the galaxy decided the First Order was bad and it’s time to get rid of them. Unfortunately for the First Order that quickly took over the galaxy with their mighty fleet just a short time ago, they seem to have been easily eradicated by the people.

“They may have Star Destroyers, but the civilian militia has plot-destroyers. Back to you Tom.”

I am not too certain of the Sun criticism since … it’s exactly the same in the theatrical release.

Why is it suddenly jarring if it’s EXACTLY the same … but instead of seeing BB8 and Rey standing, we see the falcon fly off. Take a look:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo2pjiwh8pk

So nothing has been altered to adjust timing or the sun position. Does it only seem “less” jarring if we see the two stand in front of the suns … even though we saw how drastically different the two sun’s locations were literally a moment ago?

The falcon scene makes a whole lot more sense for the suns’ new position since there is obviously some time between the suns’ first position and then the falcon flying off since it naturally takes time for Rey and BB8 to enter the falcon, as opposed to Rey just taking a few steps close to BB8.

You can’t fool people on the internet!

DZ-330 said:

I thought this thread was for a discussion of Hal’s edit. Not what is canon versus what is not? Are you editing Darth Jar Jar into the Sith Eternal crowd still???

Mesa all da Sith-a.

Hal 9000 said:

Not when it’s buried in the wreckage of the second Death Star.

Pfft you don’t know that Hal, that TIE could have taken its time to get its Masters in HyperDrive Mechanics via online classes buried in the wreckage.

Hal 9000 said:

A hallmark of Star Wars is a constantly changing sense of continuity. There’s nothing smooth about it. The EU are nanobots trying to heal somebody constantly being injured in all manner of ways. You can appreciate the effort and do some of it in your own head, but the ST renewed the franchise’s commitment to never planning ahead and constantly retconning everything.

Applauds loudly

Who cares about “canon” when doing fan edits. Part of fan edits is to fix issues. So let’s be real, even before Disney stepped in with their “Let’s not plan anything and see what happens” approach Star Wars cannon had some blaring holes and inconsistencies. And no, I don’t want to turn this into a general discussion thread but the idea of adhering to “canon” is silly and not going to happen with this edit.

Plus, just for fun and giggles, to adhere to “canon” then we would have to remove everything about Leia and training with Luke, since does not train AT ALL to be a Jedi in the canon book Bloodlines. (Just involved in politics) Boy … that’ll really mess up with the last part of the movie removing that part AND Leia’s lightsaber for the sake of canon.

See why adhering to “canon” is silly?

Copy that Red Rooster.

Adywan, it makes sense if you don’t think about it!

But in all seriousness I am looking forward to the clean up … plus your plan to do something with the B-wings. It drives me crazy how Star Wars describe how awesome these things are BUT THEY DID NOTHING. In Rise of Skywalker, THEY DO NOTHING.

Need some B-Wing action.

Hal 9000 said:

Eh, I still prefer predominately fan-made ship names. I don’t think it’d be a great idea to reach out to him for this.

Wait … would nasty butler count as fan made? 😄

adywan said:

There is no “love triangle” in Star Wars OR Empire. In ANH Han only says he’s interested in her to wind up Luke. Luke is the only one to show any interest in her but there is nowhere that Leia shows anything more than friendship towards Luke. The kiss on the cheek during the chasm sequence is nothing more than a kiss for luck. In ESB Leia only kisses Luke in the medical bay to wind Han up. The kiss she gives Luke after they rescue him is nothing more than a friendly kiss. She has already announced her love for Han by this point. Luke doesn’t show any romantic interest in her at all.

Yet when we get to ROTJ, Han suddenly thinks Luke is a rival and becomes this jealous idiot? All that has to go. Han became a pretty much useless character as it is in Jedi, but this jealousy crap put it over the edge.

Yep, that’s how I’ve perceived it all. Yes please remove the jealous Han stuff. It was just … bad and didn’t make sense in the context of the movie itself … let alone in ESB.

Poor Hal, having to decide since it seems to be split. Although I still would rather not have any of the Fortnite dialogue at all, I can live with what’s in the work print. It’s still corny to me, but if it’s just the one short line it is acceptable and plays better with people’s reactions to the scene.

Cinefy said:

I like the original Palp. Short and sweet with good impact.

Weren’t you against adding the message in the first place…

Yep, I still personally don’t see a need for it, but if Hal says pick Version A or B, then I will make a choice.

No prob Hal, I was playing around with a line from Finn … but it doesn’t work so well. I think the added grass/walking sound at least helps without being distracting. It is minor, but maybe it works subconsciously for the viewer?

I like the original Palp. Short and sweet with good impact.

Hey Hal still been playing around with adding some other line. I am not sure how great it will work. For kicks and giggles, I tried another attempt with this scene. It is rough for a few reasons, mainly my RIP from the blu ray can’t seem to come out clean and makes the video a bit choppy and kinda … i dunno, weird-ified. So my timing may not be great with what I did since I literally “can’t see” frames. But what do you think?

https://vimeo.com/449780343
PW: fanedit

Here is my rational after watching the video:

• Prior to this scene, we see Poe make the jump through a wall of ice (may or may not have been light speed, but for the audience, we assume that’s what he does.)

• So when Rey and Finn are talking, Chewbacca roars. I am implying he said “Poe made the jump through an ice wall!” Remember, he was not too happy/shocked with Poe’s thinking of “How thick do you think that ice is?” since that was pretty dangerous and gutsy.

• I overlay Poe saying RIGHT at the end of the roar his line about "Well i got us through/safe or whatever he says.

• Rey looks over towards Poe and we cut to her walking towards Poe and starting the argument about the dampers.

• Rey says you can’t light speed/ cut that part and have Poe jump up and say “Apparently I can!”

I was implying she was bout tot say “you can’t light speed jump through an ice wall!” … a further extension from Chewy since we see he wasn’t too keen about Poe jumping through the ice and extending that from his roar at the base.

So that’s my logic since we SAW Poe jump through an ice wall and that was understandably dangerous. Also, we see he hit a wall while flying the falcon too. He is rough with the ship … so no wonder we see it in bad shape.

I am hoping this is not making too many assumptions for the audience, but we the audience see that:

1.) Poe is rough on the falcon.

2.) Jumps through and ice wall despite Chewy’s protest.

3.) We have not scene a ship make the jump THROUGH a solid object before.

EDIT: Another logic I just thought of, since she talks about the “downed dampers” that could have been her next argument of “You can’t Lightspeed-” … “without the dampers” could have been another logic to it. Poe cuts her off since he is already annoyed, his mood and demeanor screams of that. Kind of like “Hey, we are here and I’m at least doing something” attitude which he laters takes a swipe at Rey about not “helping” as the best fighter.

Hey Hal,

While I am at home looking at the original cut, there is a few POSSIBLE lines to use for Finn to “appear” in the scene using the cut parts of the scene. I’ll try to mess with it if I can get the movie over to the office and it’s quiet:

Every Time

Rey

No anikin at the end.

As much as I hate how this entire new trilogy takes a dump on all the previous trilogy’s lore, what’s done is done.

What Jonh has done with the Palpatine “duel” is great and Is the best that can be done of adding Anikin, and the others, without it being a blatant fan service since it contributes to the scene in a meaningful way.

hedgesmfg said:

jarbear said:

Hal 9000 said:

Yeah, if there’s an appropriate sounding “come on,” that would work. Leads into his, “We just landed, okay?”

I don’t have the original cut of the movie at the office, but Finn does say “come on” during the last briefing that was cut since he refuted the 1 in a million shot.

EDIT: The only issue is there is music in the scene and it overlaps with the line. The tone and delivery is good for this idea though. Dang.

Couldn’t you open the multi-track audio file and extract just the dialogue, or at least the dialogue with as little music as possible (if the dialogue track is itself not isolated)?

With the right mixing, it doesn’t seem like it’d be too hard if you know the timestamp. I just did this for the narration of the introduction in my Clone Wars movie edit.

I am an über noob, I just got iMovie and am not a big time video editor. If anyone can isolate that, it could be helpful. Also, I could use the “rey” he used that was cut from the scene, lower the sound and try to mess with it so it sounds like he is approaching the group.

PM sent Hal, hope it’ll work for ya.

Maybe even a “hey” line or something could work. I think it needs to be short so its not a talking overload with people talking over each other too much.

Here is a quick mock up with some walking sound. I hope this will help us “hear” Finn coming. Also, to make sure the sound isn’t isolated to just his appearance, I added walking sound with all three walk away too.

https://vimeo.com/449436899
PW: fanedit

I would like to add a line some point during the “you are difficult” part or something. Or even earlier where you can here Finn in the background.

EDIT: Oh, the new Naboo shot looks great! That’s the best yet.

Hal 9000 said:

Yeah, if there’s an appropriate sounding “come on,” that would work. Leads into his, “We just landed, okay?”

I don’t have the original cut of the movie at the office, but Finn does say “come on” during the last briefing that was cut since he refuted the 1 in a million shot.

EDIT: The only issue is there is music in the scene and it overlaps with the line. The tone and delivery is good for this idea though. Dang.

There are some free walking/running on leaves sounds to play with, I’ll see if I can mess around with it … gotta convert the video file to work for iMovie here at the office.

It doesn’t have to be super loud, but enough you can get a sense of movement and I would see if there is some kind of line to use like “hey” or “come one” or something that goes from soft to louder really quick just so we get SOME presence he is coming into the scene, even if it is quick.

Hey watching Workprint 5 … I gotta say, its so refreshing with the removal of the lightspeed skipping scene and the 16 hour timer. Praise the Maker!

Initial thoughts thinking about the Poe/Rey/Finn conversation, maybe it would help to add some walking in leaf sounds and even some kind of Finn line or something that goes from a “far” away sound to “closer”? It may make that feel a bit more natural with him “suddenly” appearing.

Still watching so I’ll keep posting some thoughts.

Hal 9000 said:

Okay, having thought about it some more and letting a break take place first, I will reiterate my prior decision to edit out the mention of lightspeed skipping. I think this is less distracting overall. It’s a tough call and you can make a good case for either route.

In other news, Skenera sent me a great Naboo shot based on snooker’s output without the SD and explosion elements. I will include this in the workprint, which I hope to have ready by the weekend.

Both of those statements sound good to me, I think that sequence with the crew and the Falcon is “less problematic” with it’s jumpy-ness compared to the DSII stuff. However, even with that I am fine with that too. I am ECSTATIC that Light Speed Skipping and Gooney Dagger are dead. So glad.

As for the dialogue about light speed skipping, IF it had to be left in, couldn’t one refer to making the jump WITHOUT the calculations? He SKIPPED the calculations.

Of course, I also understand it could be viewed as “sloppy” to leave in that dialogue for a fan edit, I am personally “ok” with leaving the dialogue since it could be implied making the jump without the calcs.

Or my ice speed skipping comment from some time ago could work. 😉

Granted, it would be ideal if it that scene can be edited smoothly with its removal.

The issues I have with that mock up is 1.) teleporting Finn and Rey to the next conversation with Poe and 2.) Rey’s lips are not moving right before that transition. It’s too jumpy.