jarbear

3/4?

I voted with my heart on this one, although logical probably will dictate. Lol.

RogueLeader said:

I did do that, actually! Rogue One was one of my first edits, and I wasn’t editing in 5.1, so it was a pain to try to get the cut in music to flow naturally. I think my first rough cut it was worse, but you can still notice it a little bit (at least I can). So I didn’t patch in music, I just cut the dialogue out and tried to have the cut in the music be less noticeable.

I was going to mention that I did it, but I felt like it was really rough so I didn’t bring it up! It was a funny feeling pulling up that video and thinking, “Did I do this?” Hahaha.

Good, makes sense since I don’t have much skill, lol!

I’ve played the scene on my TV with surround sound and it all sounds right, at least to me!

If either DigMod or RogueLeader don’t take credit for it (I used their edits as a base for mine) then maybe I did it and forgot? Haha!

But it really works well. The pieces are falling together! haha!

Oh, I think RogueLeader did this change already in his edit.

Attached is the clip removing the comment about “Find Saw Find Father”

https://vimeo.com/508596088
password: fanedit

This goes along with the change of the briefing room scene at the beginning. The mission is to find the pilot, not about finding Galen. Which then, later on, Jynn becomes the motivator to go to Eadu to retrieve her father. Jynn is not proactive. With Burbin’s change to keep the “kill order” quite until the very end, in which Chirrutt senses it in the force … man, this really helps out both the story and the characters.

I dig it.

It’s choppy, the lighting and shadows are off, the fluttering leaves in the air literally just appear out of now where and the the textures on everything are unrealistic. It sticks out really bad. I’m sorry … I just don’t get it…

Of course he can do whatever he wants and it should be easy to “reinsert” the “original” cut for Fett to line up with the current stuff. (The special edition Sarlac pitt with its … Alien-style extra mouth … seemed to make it more of a "chew the prey a bit before digesting) So the pre-Special edition sarlacc does at least leave the possibility of it’s victims not instantly dying since it is a slow digestion without any “chewing”. So with Fett’s armor and gadgets, he would have a chance to get out.

So at the end of the day, Adywan can do whatever he wants since he doesn’t have to follow any canon or what’s going on lately. However, I would ask if he could at least provide the scene with his color correction so it matches with the rest of the film so people could choose to replace whatever he does to “line it up” with what’s going on with Boba and the shows.

For me, I cannot color correct and am color blind … so having that “alternate” version would be helpful.

On no, please, no video game footage. Sticks out bad.

It would be nice if that line can be removed, if possible. Hope Digmod could work some magic to remove it.

EDIT: If I find some time, I may try to see how it looks to cut it out and stitch the scene together … I think it’s just ambient sounds and not music, but I gotta check to remember.

The transition scene is, very game render look and is jarring. It’s impressive what games can do, don’t get me wrong, but it sticks out big time.

@JakeRyan17 … Good question!

Those are good points DigMod about the intro and keeping that part out. I don’t think his intro is needed for this “new” trust narrative when changing the “death orders” till the very end concept.

Also with your rational on more of his character’s merits, makes me think about removing his “intro.”

As for Hal, that’s a shame but ok. Not a major issue. The new direction, if you go with it, doesn’t really affect things too much. Random, yes, but hey, it could be considered a hint of sorts for the audience … maybe?

If someone was extra skilled with CGI, instead of seeing trees up with the castle, what out trying to add stuff behind the castle’s valley? It may be such a quick spot, but it could subconsciously weave the scenes together. Or it would stick out. I dunno, it’s very apparant a bunch of stuff was cut out of the film at the beginning to make it feel so rushed.

Xhorkis said:

Hey Hal, do you have any plans to maybe fix Cassian opening his eyes and looking towards the camera just before he dies, to have them remain closed? That bit always bugs me, it’s like they were supposed to be shut the whole time but Diego Luna opened them early and it somehow made it into the film

The simplest approach, that Digmod did (I believe, sorry memory is bad) is to white out the screen before you see his eyes open. Simple fix, but works well.

That helps, thanks for doing that!

DigMod said:

These are great ideas and I hope no one minds that I’m going to use them 😄

Hal I like saving the reveal until Chirrut says it. It makes his character stronger (in the force) and adds weight and urgency to the following scenes where Jyn is attempting to save her dad while Casian battles with his inner demons.

Oh crap, I didn’t realize that really props up Chirrut more too. Man, this is good.

You still could decide to remove or leave in the Cassian intro scene based on your preference, but this fairly “simple” change helps out a lot of characters and plot. Part of RogueLeader’s thought on his edit, which also included making the initial briefing room scene about just finding the pilot, is this movie is having a narrative about “trust.” By removing Bohdi, the pilot’s reveal until “we” see him in jail, we don’t know if his intel is good/trust him yet. By removing the killing orders until the very end, do we trust Cassian, after either seeing him killing a guy at the beginning (or not based on the editors choice) and the conversation he had with Draven, can we/Jynn trust him fully?

Very interesting narrative and helps keep the mystery of things without showing or telling us everything at the beginning.

So … any mad skilled editors able to age/ruinize Vader’s castle?

Hal 9000 said:

I think keeping his orders a secret until Chirrut’s comment about killing would work even better in an edit where we see that Cassian is willing to kill people in cold blood from his first scene.
I could see either approach working well. I’ll have to think about it I guess. Good conversation, you guys.

In my edit, I did keep in the initial Cassian scene because of the removal of his “kill Galen orders” early on, changed the hyperdrive scene so Jynn motivates them going to Eadu, and then learning about “kill orders” en route.

However with Burbin’s approach … it improves on this greatly since we still keep the mystery and learn things as she does.

Of course you may or may not keep the initial Cassian scene, but I just love the flow, the motivation of Jynn and the mystery of the orders that get confirmed as she sees it. Heck, he admits it all right after and Draven confirms it in the briefing room. Works so well.

Burbin said:

For the scene en route to Eadu maybe you could switch Draven’s dialogue around so that he says: “Tell him to proceed with haste and keep to the plan, tell him my orders still stand”. That way there’s emphasis on these mysterious orders but we don’t find out what they are yet.
Here’s a crude version of how it could play out:
https://vimeo.com/507707620

Oh I like that. when connected with removing the conversation with him and Cassian at the beginning and now with this, it really adds more to the “mystery” for the audience.

We see them at the beginning discussing something, but we don’t know what.
This then reinforces that Cassian did get some order earlier, but we still don’t know what.

We then find out later, mostly in line with Jynn figuring it out/knowing.

Heck, later in the movie Draven DOES confirm his orders later, about “a decision needed to be made” so it’s still touched on even later, despite people not agreeing with his decision earlier, aka the air strike/assassination of Galen.

The edit goes something like this:

Transition from Tarkin scene (Aka security breach, Galen erso is at Eadu)

goes to Jynn sitting staring at the wall on U wing. The dialogue between Chirrut & Baze about “Tell me … the whole city” has a line between them talking where you hear Cassian say “Set a course to Yavin 4”

So you see that the scene has changed that they are heading back to Yavin 4 after witnessing the weapon’s fire power. Now most of the dialogue in the rest of the scene has Jynn talking about the message and how to destroy the death star. So she recommends going to Eadu to get her father to explain it to the rebels. Then it cuts to Yavin 4 establishing shot, and shortens the scene with Draven saying “Proceed … my orders still stand, yada yada gotta kill Galen Erso.”

Establishing shot of U wing in hyperspace and cassian then tells K2 to set a course to Eadu.

What I like about this change, is it get’s Jynn to be more proactive now, especially after hearing that message. Since the original scene was:

“we are going to Eadu”
“where my father is?”
“yes”
“His message talks about a weakness in the death star, we can destroy it!”
“Where is it?”
“Well … it’s destroyed! but everyone is behind me/believe me, let’s go get him! Rally Call!!”
( … we are already going there. She was … kinda motiving people to do what they were already seemingly going to do.)

So it kinda gives actual purpose to Jynn’s speech and motivation, to actually “rally” the troops to do something based on a moment of defeat or uncertainty of what to do next. She is helping to move the plot, not just being there for the ride. In a sense.

Hal 9000 said:

Sure thing, thanks.

It’s too bad that this edit removed my legit favorite moment of the movie: when Forest Whitaker gives Bodhi an intense look and says what sounds like “Boogalee!”

I don’t disagree, lol, I liked the line … it was the execution and what it actually was. Lol.

Although it’s probably outside of your edit goals, but RogueLeader’s minor change to the opening briefing scene and the “lets go to Eadu” section helped Jynn out motivation wise.

@RogueLeader You are right there were some other changes you made that did change the briefing room scene a bit. I do remember what you did with the scene before it that did a slight alternation about the mission too. I forgot about it because it was so simple and clean! haha!

If I could also make a minor suggestion too Hal. Asides from some other neat things RogueLeader came up with, I think based on your removal of the Bor Gullet scene, I think you need to shorten up the exchange with Bodhi and Cassian once the prisoned crew sees the pilot. Although the idea still can come across that “The Pilot” was tortued … he does seem to act more like he has some memory lost/brain issues instead of being fatigued from possible torture.

I can’t remember if this was from RogueLeader or Digmod, but shortening the exchange really helps fix it up so it makes the scene look natural and not "The leftovers of removing the Bor Gullet scene. (Kind of like removing the “Lightskipping talk” from your Rise of Skywalker edit after removing the scenes.)

So it goes like:

Cassian “Are you the pilot”
Pilot “I am the pilot”

The way Bohdi says it still fits with the scene due to his delivery of it. Just a thought! Not to make you busier or something! haha!

I’ve been playing around with Rogue One with my own edit and I like it, but rethinking some changes based on your V2 and waiting for V3. Rogue One does not really need many drastic change asides from some clean up/removal of unnecessary things. (Cameos and reduction of whiplash at the beginning of the film)

Although your edit is fine as is, minus the clean up for V3, a simple but neat thing from some of RogueLeader’s idea (and buddies liked this) is about trust with the removal of Cassian and Draven’s conversation about “killing Galen” on his mission. By having that conversation removed and you just see them talking, it really adds more weight to Jynn’s comment about Trust going both ways and helps the audience stay in the same boat as Jynn, not knowing or seeing everything yet.

Granted the audience will get to know about the killing orders before she does, we get to stay in the boat of “the unknown” with Jynn. What was the conversation about? Who is the pilot? Is the Pilot really “on their side?”

JJ loves his Mcguffins, especially if they make no real sense. Lol.

Nice observations Burbin, especially the first one. That is a simple fix that makes more sense. Heck, from the beginning of the movie one he gives the order they shoot without hesitation … now I can’t unsee that issue with the DeathStar crew.

I admit for the current C3P0/R2D2 cameo, I did use Digmod’s approach to cut it out since I admit, although there can be an explanation about how they go from being on the base of Yavin, to boarding Tantive IV … which then eventually goes into Radus’ ship … but it’s more of a logical assumption than a reality that makes it more of a hole than anything.

So yeah, logically we can rationalize how they get from Point A to Point C, but it’s not depicted in the movie. Even if they said a simple line during the “transferring” of the plans to the disk someone says “Is the docked ship ready?/something on those lines” helps to bridge the logical step … audibly at least.

It’s somewhat similar to the Doctor & Ponda’s cameo (We see them in a city that then get’s destroyed … logic dictates they leave, but we don’t see them do that and just witness the utter destruction of it … so makes it more of a plot hole than not), but at least the droids are not a cheesy/shameless fan service cameo since seeing them makes sense in the story at this time.

The music sounds really nice. Very nice indeed Hal, I personally think it fits well.

It’s not the Dual of the Fates copied and paced from TPM, it’s different but familiar. Very nice.