jarbear

Although Jar Jar and Hal’s rational has merit, which I don’t disagree with.

But … remember the comedy/banter/“make the audience feel good” after Han’s death?

…

Nope. Let us feel. The reward of knowing Chewy is ok is that much sweeter for teh audience instead of laughing the way till we see him.

Also, there is merit for the Zorri/Rey stuff, which I get that rationale … but it’s so bad. What if it’s just Zorri saying “I think you’re ok” or whatever after Rey puts the saber away and stretches out her hand? That way you still get across a bit that Zorri isn’t just having a gun to her head to help out, but she actually appreciates Rey’s skill and character. Kinda like BECAUSE of her acknlowedging Rey she is choosing to help out, in a sense, or at least agreeing to do it because of Rey’s merit.

I watched your video and like it MR.

It’s really clean and fits with the “seriousness” of what’s going on with the situation and does seem more “respectful” of the events of Chewy’s “death.”

There’s already so much banter in other spots in the movie … so it isn’t missed.

This is really great, I can’t believe I missed your post about the drive. I was more than happy to chip in.

I look forward to your edits.

Hal 9000 said:

Here’s sherlockpotter’s medal shot and placement in a full test, LUTs applied and everything else the way it will be in the final:

https://vimeo.com/517559221

Bro … Nice.

Ah the Hayden Shaw Ghost topic. It isn’t an easy answer and I personal don’t think there is a real wrong or right answer on this, since you got both the reality problems (Movie made years ago with a different actors) and then weird lore implications due to the special edition. (Wait … why is he young and the others are old? Que?)

In my, erm, “head canon,” the lava bath Anakin took messed him up physically obviously, and his voice. (Lava up to his head and neck, so it could affect his voice box.)

So in some ways, I am “ok” with the Hayden ghost, since the ghosts we see are based on how they look at the time of their death, just minus any problems. So if you lost an arm, you git it back! etc. Got “ugly” from some lava? No problem! It their “natural look” at the time of their passing.

The issue I have is it being “young” Hayden change in ROTJ special edition. Now I know, because of the timing of the prequels Lucas made the change.

So, for me, although I grew up with Shaw, for the sake of the saga to all connect it makes more sense with Hayden.

Although with the new Vader series having Hayden back, I’d use his face/picture to change ROTJ to line up with an aged Anakin as well as with what Jonh has down with his scene.

I agree it shouldn’t be too crude like tlj, this is a dedicated puppet show, not kids using trash and scraps.

RogueLeader said:

I mean, I could make a walker and a Kylo puppet, film a few different elements, and then let people decide whatever they want to use.

Make it so …

RogueLeader said:

Chase Adams said:

RogueLeader said:

Another alternative for the puppets, it would be funny if there was a puppet Kylo that took a swing at puppet Luke, but the puppet went below stage, then popped back up behind Kylo. Then we see kids laughing.

Basically, we see Luke taking the wind out of the First Order’s sails, making the next generation less afraid of the First Order. And since the First Order rules by fear, then their authority will fall apart. I think it all ties back to the themes we’re trying to hit pretty well.

I love this! 😄 RogueLeader, how do you come up with your ideas? 😉

I’ve just put way, way too much thought into Star Wars…

But like I said, I could make some puppets. So if MR gets a clean plate completed, filming some puppets wouldn’t be a problem. I kind of have an idea of how to design the Luke/Kylo puppets.

Lol, I picture a Kylo puppet “bouncing” towards the Luke puppet and the Luke puppet quickly gets pull down and the Kylo Puppet stops bouncing and the Luke Puppet pops up and bounces around to “mock” him. That would make kids laugh me thinks.

Interesting idea about the puppet idea Rogue. Im very, very curious what can be done.

This is all fascinating … can it be done?

Not very techy, at all, as for inserting “Skywalker” in it … is it possible or helpful to remove or voice over him with a “new voice” and says whatever he says, but the “new voice” then uses the “Skywalker” line whenever. I would think that may help it sound more natural than how he sounds and then a random “Skywalker” that doesn’t quite match it?

Movies Remastered said:

Hal 9000 said:

Wow, MR, I’m beginning to worry about you. That looks insane. I’m sure the rest can be covered by foreground puppets or objects.

And lol @ just having them watch TLJ on a CRT.

I worry about me too!! Haha. I’m my worst critic so this isn’t anywhere near where I want it.

I think the puppet show should remain basic and fun, How about a gorilla walker firing a few bolts at Luke and have him kinda twist and bob up n down like he’s dancing to deflect them? Kids love that stuff. Could even add a few “pew pews” in there 🤣

I demand the Pew Pews now. Hahah!

Jar Jar Bricks said:

jarbear said:

Also, for dialogue sake, if it helps, maybe even a simple line of “The Jedi” could help if it is easier to implement than “Luke Skywalker.” Dunno if that helps with anything, but maybe for the alien dialogue? Jabba the Hutt did use, in “english”, “Jedi” and “Jedi Mind trick.” It may … feel more natural?

The kids at the end of TLJ are speaking in another language and still say “Luke Skywalker”. It sounds natural in that scene. I think it would be best to simplify it to “Skywalker” though, as it matches the title more accurately.

Oh crap, that’s right. Nevermind. Lol

I completely get what you mean Dominic,

At least for me, it’s not so much of “kids dissing at Luke” with laughter is the exact thought on this topic. I think its more of … how it could come across of the “audience” watching the children laugh as Luke “faces the FO and then disappears.” one could IMPLY they are “laughing at the cowardly Luke” or “He got blown up, funny loser”

So to help streamline things, since we have laughing children … why not make the portrayal of the scene imply some comedy. Having “puppet luke” essentially hit them with, or knock them back with “The FireBall of Destiny” would probably make a child laugh when you see the big ole walker puppet fall down from it.

Kids … and adults … laugh at people/animals/things hurting themselves or falling down.

It’s a simpler way to convey it, and this is a story based on “what they’ve heard.” So the exact events do not need to follow exactly what happened in TLJ … Only Luke and FO saw what happened. Events and stories get distorted … but the idea of the “legend of Skywalker” who created the spark for the galaxy to start raising up is key.

Also, for dialogue sake, if it helps, maybe even a simple line of “The Jedi” could help if it is easier to implement than “Luke Skywalker.” Dunno if that helps with anything, but maybe for the alien dialogue? Jabba the Hutt did use, in “english”, “Jedi” and “Jedi Mind trick.” It may … feel more natural?

Add a banner somewhere:

“The Luke Skywalker Show”

😛

Hal 9000 said:

Ideally we could communicate something worthy of the laughter of the child crowd, but if not we could resort to cutting the shot.

As usual it’s hard to imagine what to do here because I don’t know what will end up being possible for you guys. Luke hitting a home run and taking down a walker? Having a walker collapse in sync with lowering his hand? Kylo Ren’s pants falling down?

One thing that pops in my mind, which you or someone may have mentioned, that the “show” does not have to actually match what happened on crait. It’s hearing from somebody, who heard it from somebody, who heard it from somebody. It’s more about the legendary confrontation of the Jedi Master against an army.

So for the puppetry, it really can be mostly what we see, and basically have a “large puppet” that looks like a walker get’s hit by a flame thingy and falls down quickly. (If that is what already happens, than roast me since I don’t watch this movie much obviously)

Is that enough for the kids to laugh? Probably.

The other tough part to help it feel connected is even having the name “Skywalker” used to sound convincing from the alien … even during the time the children are laughing maybe?

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Joking aside, I always thought it was strange how Darth Vader was the only character with a TV. Everyone else uses holograms.

Dude had a Castle and a TV … he was livin’ it up.

Easy fix:

Add a tv monitor that plays the clip Luke dusting off his shoulders.

Boom.

Movies Remastered said:

This is around 8 hours of work so far on the Puppet removal. It’s really tricky to get the pattern of the material looking like it hasn’t been clone stamped and mimicking the wind blowing in the background. It’s probably going to take another 10 mask layers to get right…

https://youtu.be/qqyof6r0iqg

My goodness, it is shaping up though because yeah, the wind and material would be a son-of-a-rancor to work with!

<Insert Palpatine’s “good … good” meme>

I like the idea. It is such a “simple” easter egg / makes sense / actually connected to something / idea to do which again, this movie (and trilogy in general) baffles me.

I look forward to seeing your next pass!

RogueLeader said:
And speaking of Luke’s legend sparking hope in the galaxy, I wonder if you could somehow make it clearer that people of Kijimi are revolting against the First Order. The patrols, stormtroopers going door-to-door questioning people, the distant explosions later on during Poe and Zorri’s convo. Though that might contradict Poe’s whole speech about people giving up.

That’s an interesting idea … especially since it seems like that’s kind of what is going on. From Poe’s perspective, he thinks people has given up BECAUSE of his experience from Crait … which is completely understandable on his viewpoint from that specific event. However, because of Luke’s “legendary” appearance, it has sparked hope so now people are beginning to “raise up” which is also reinforced later in the movie with Lando & Crew of 1000tm and the destruction of FO star destroyers around the galaxy.

What a shame from the original cut.

However, what kind of adjustments could work for that? I don’t remember the dialogue very well in that scene to make those adjustments. If possible.

Octorox said:

I like this idea. I’d love to see the Luke puppet brush the dust off his shoulder, eliciting a laugh from the children.

If that was possible to do, it would work perfectly for the kid’s laughing.

Chase Adams said:

Knight of Kalee said:

It’d be great if someone could tinker with the Sith statue behind Kylo Ren to make it look like Darth Nihilus or Revan.

Gave it a shot:

https://youtu.be/LLmAaf8SRwA

Mind you, this is a first attempt.

Very nice, nice “simple” easter egg. Very good.

Nice job with the saber MR, good work!

Kinda would be odd it being quiet …

Some time ago there was work done with Rey responding to the lady as “just Rey” if you want something different then the “Rey Skywalker.”

Only option I can think of if you want some dialogue that’s different.