I’m going to take a look at the audio in that scene to see if Merry’s background speech could be removed without deleting the actual visuals.
oooh, that would be nice.
Or you can include a line that he likes DeadPool who breaks the 4th wall.
Am I right?
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I’ll see myself out.
Hahah fair enough MR.
Have fun with that construction stuff.
Appreciate all the hard work ya’ll are doing. One day you’ll sit at your computer Hal to look at it. Lol.
So how’s the puppet work going? MR better not be giving excuses like “sleep” and “Sanity”
Not sure if this is something to be discussed in this thread, but has anyone found a good way to remove Rey healing the worm? I think it works better for the story if the only “force healing” is a result of the Dyad between Rey and Ben.
For the sake of the whole saga, it just opens up WAY too many questions. Maybe it can be adjusted for for the worm creature to be scared of her darkness or something along those lines.
Not sure if that is worth pursuing due to the scene of The Child in The Mandalorian.
EDIT: Rather than make a new comment, I’ll address one of the best head canon answers as to why force healing isn’t an issue. The Jedi at the time of the prequels clearly believe that if someone is about to die, then that is the will of the Force. Therefore, they would view the ability of Force Healing as an abomination (even though it is light side in nature). My personal belief is that they withheld knowledge of that ability from everyone except Jedi masters who had access to restricted knowledge if they wanted to. Thus another reason why Anakin was pissed about not becoming a master. Sorry about the rant.
THat, or they had to do it in Mandolorian to help “justify it” in this movie since it pretty much … invalidates the plot in ROTS. Lol.
Anyway … I think the conversation about the lightsaber disappearing and reappearing error and Merry’s quote would be neat to fix if it doesn’t cause any visual or timing issues.
It’s just one shot that can be cropped? Yeah, that might be fine, then.
Correct, the lightsaber does not appear in her conversation with Leia right after.
I find it funny how Merry of the Resistance was delegated as the “try to explain Palpatine’s return in as many different ways as possible” character. It’s hilarious.
He’s basically the audience trying to “rationalize” how Palpatine came back via a verbal bullet point of possibilities.
So in some ways, he breaks the forth wall maybe? Lol.
Totally I understand. His cut of not worked really well to fix it but I understand wanting the structure to remain the same.
Thought I’d bring it up here incase anyone wants to give it a shot and fix it with vfx
Who ever said it would have to involve VFX? I just removed the portion of the shot where the lightsaber is visible.
Honestly, I would prefer to remove the shot completely. So Rey slips away from the crowd and we don’t see her until she comes back with the book. Unfortunately I was having trouble with the audio because Poe’s line plays mostly off screen.
Also it’s strange how we hear Merry quietly say in the background of that shot, “There were always whispers of his hunger to cheat death.” Like, what? Why would the galaxy at large ever have reason to believe that? Most of them didn’t even know he was a Sith in the OT.
Seriously? Lol oh man this movie. Sigh.
That’s like … nominal.
For a nobody edit making a change to it would be nice. I think someone suggested changing the engine thruster color? That is an “easy” 1st step.
For me, the biggest highlight is the removal of the “take the lightsabers” line. I just really like it.
I do personally like the removal of Luke telling her to take the sabers. It makes the appearance of Leia’s saber in Exegol more exciting.
I like the idea of adding the line, maybe based on what MR is suggesting. Just at the current state, doesn’t quite work. So I am voting yes, in principal, if it can be used … but not by this “test” clip.
I also like the idea too of removing the “take both sabers” line. On a personal note, it makes it better where it is REY choosing to take it, not being told to do it.
EDIT: plus, it is a nice … “mini surprise” when you see the saber lit up?
Fair enough all with your comments, thanks!
Although people are ok with it and come up with “interpretations” or “what he meant was …”
Isn’t that essentially excusing people or bad things/thinsg that don’t make sense.
A person goes to a place known for their steaks. A family comes in with their grand father and he says:
“I hate your steaks.”
Embarrassed, the family says “He didn’t mean that, What he meant to say is …”
It’s concerning we are getting to the point that its “ok” to have lines that make no sense in context to anything but its “ok” since we excuse it and make interpretations of things.
At least with the example of Kenobi in the OT, he was the one who made his explanation regarding his point a view. It wasn’t something that the audience had to come up with for an explanation … or “interpretation.”
Removing the “A thousand generations live in you now” line seems like the better option. Luke is implying that it is only her who can fight Palpatine and yet all the voices and ghosts appear. If it is Rey’s fight then why are they even showing up?!
Maybe removing that whole line and replacing with the below would be even better and lead to less contradictions?
“…someone who would finish her journey. We’ll always be with you. You’ll take both sabers to Exegol.”
To me it makes the Rey Skywalker scene at the end make more sense and is more personal. Luke is assuring Rey that him and Leia will always be with Rey, so when Rey sees them at the end of the movie it is just reassuring the familial bond they now have, and further reinforces why Rey is choosing her last name to be Skywalker. Plus, it removes the contradiction of it being Rey’s fight yet ALL the Jedi show up in spirit.
Whew… that was a lot lol
JEDIT: Plus it allows us to remove the last awful wig shot of Luke that jonh was having trouble with.
JEDIT 2!: It appears to show more of Luke providing wisdom to Rey rather than pushing off the fight on her.
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Sorry, Im personally not a fan of the whole "1000’s of generations of Jedi are in you … which is not true on any level. How many generations were in Luke? How about all the Jedi before? Wait, there wasn’t right? (yes)
Also, didn’t the whole “Jedi ghost stuff” appear due to the end of ROTS to be shown in the OT? So it wasn’t possible before? So … how can she have access to 1000 generations of something that isn’t there.
If I started recording something my room as of today … I don’t have access to any videos of my room prior to that since it didn’t start until recently.
SOrry … I just don’t get it and it completely dismisses/at odds with the movies before.
Pie in the sky dream, though not possible:
Palps: I am the Sith (semi call back to PT)
Rey: And I … am a Jedi. (who cares if your THE Sith, I’m a freakin’ Jedi bro!)
note: It’s not possible, but man I’d love that. Rey is NOT all the Jedi … she’s not the last airbender. /sarcasm Lol.
EDIT: Don’t think there is enough footage for this unfortunately. Wish it could work though.
Scrap this I actually have a proof of concept for this idea I can share here. Works pretty well; Luke’s mouth movements match the end of the line.
Yes please!
They are different? Im sure if I look at all the comparisons I can then see a difference, but the movie heavily implies its the same. Trying to make it more visually different would be helpful.
As for line removal topic, I kind of have a hard time with Luke: “1000 generations are in you” line. We do know … that’s not how that works with Jedi. Granted, he may be saying that in a symbolic sense, but we literally see later that Palps says the lines “I am all the sith” and have that whole transfer silly thing.
So to me … it’s like … another retcon of the movies before it that is factually incorrect.
Again, he may be not saying it as literally having jedi in her or whatnot, but with the whole silly Sith thing later … it makes it sound more literally.
Anyway … that’s just me.
I dunno why we get so much over explaining of things.
That is one, of many nags, in TLJ during Rey’s Force Cave Scene has her voice over. That whole scene, while visually interesting, doesn’t really keep my interest or engagement since we have a literal voice over describing everything.
Sometimes, silence speaks volumes.
Can you imagine if Luke was describing to Yoda what he saw in the cave in ESB and that dialogue was placed over that sequence?
Sounds like a Special Edition change lmao.
JJ & Rian: Yes we can.
I dunno why we get so much over explaining of things.
That is one, of many nags, in TLJ during Rey’s Force Cave Scene has her voice over. That whole scene, while visually interesting, doesn’t really keep my interest or engagement since we have a literal voice over describing everything.
Sometimes, silence speaks volumes.
Anyway, it might just work pretty okay to straight up remove the line.
https://vimeo.com/522640034I really enjoy having some silence after the flashback to let it sink in with the audience. We don’t need Kylo to explain what we just saw.
Yes we do, we need our hands held THE WHOLE TIME! That’s the movie’s motto … that and “death fake outs.”
Lol.
Anyway, it works for me Hal.
Remove Finn’s line “He wanted her alive.”
So… you’re removing how Palpatine wanted Rey alive before her parents abandoned her and he had to switch to Ben Solo? ,':I
Not entirely. Finn still says that the Emperor wanted Rey brought to him on Exegol if Ochi caught her. We simply made it up to interpretation whether he would do the ritual or kill her at that point. Imo that ambiguity works much better because it makes Palpatine’s plan easier to follow along for the average person.
Not just average person … like … anyone/everyone. So bad. Lol.
Yeah haha I worded it that way because I was pointing out that we aren’t contradicting canon by removing that line. So the lore nuts get their way, and so does everyone else.
EDIT: Should clarify that I consider myself a nut
I agree!
Hahah just playing. Good work y’all. Making a … erm … movie into something tolerable for me. Thanks!
On a personal note (I don’t care about what books/comics/tweets/media posts … the movie(s) important aspects should be clear … especially at the END OF A SAGA) when it comes to this whole silly transfer thing (I won’t go on a rant, even though I am fundamentally against it, like most of this trilogy to be fair) but I kinda don’t see the point of any “motivation” on Rey’s part for the whole … ritual thingy … of needing hate because just look at Rey during that scene. Was she angry? Was she spiteful?
Nah.
She was in a position to do an action to save her friends and the resistance, she had to strike him down … but she clearly didn’t want to do it. Just look at her face during that. She didn’t want to do it at all. She basically had a gun to her head.
SO to me, the whole “need to do it with hate to strike him down” concept is kinda of dumb. Even on screen, it doesn’t matter or really even try to prove that point or reinforce it. Again, look at Rey. Tell me at one point when she was about to/thinking about striking him (prior to knowing Ben was with her before she could change her action) she was hot with rage and couldn’t WAIT to strike him.
Nope.
To me, keep it simple, strike down the emperor and the stuff transfer. How the person … feels about it … doesn’t matter.
For a Rey Nobody edit, for sure, remove anything about her parents would be great and certainly would make things a lot cleaner … but one would have to do something about the ship.
Remove Finn’s line “He wanted her alive.”
So… you’re removing how Palpatine wanted Rey alive before her parents abandoned her and he had to switch to Ben Solo? ,':I
Not entirely. Finn still says that the Emperor wanted Rey brought to him on Exegol if Ochi caught her. We simply made it up to interpretation whether he would do the ritual or kill her at that point. Imo that ambiguity works much better because it makes Palpatine’s plan easier to follow along for the average person.
Not just average person … like … anyone/everyone. So bad. Lol.
I’ve made a breakdown video of the end scene with the sparking light sabers after the final battle.
Nice video on this, I really like the concept and how you pulled it off. Definitely something Hal should be incorporate as well!