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That would be great if someone could clean it up, or has access to the game could rip the audio files? I dunno how that would work on an Occulus thing.

I have Clone Wars 1-3 ripped on my computer. (Maybe I can get the DVDs cheap for the rest … could be helpful for C3p0 lines.

Anyway, there is a pretty clean line from 308 Evil Plans that has hims saying “I shall take that as a yes.” That could be used with some other lines possibly.

Asides from using the C3po shot, there is that shot where the one guy that kind of stares at the crew/Jannah. That also can buy time if needed.

I was browsing on YouTube to get some ideas maybe from Clone Wars if anything can be salvaged from that if needed.

If it is possible, that’s where I am thinking using the clip of 3PO that could deliver a line to ease Jannah and crew, so when Rey reveals why they need to go to the DSII.

If there was NO follow up with Jannah and crew and their motivation, then yes, it may seem strange they would help them. But later, we have the Jannah and Finn scene that they were storm troopers who left. So that in itself gives us a bit of explanation why they did not gun them down or anything, but decided to help. Even if this new portrayal of them are not actively helping the “good guys” (No more of the “We got a transmission from some random guy that you are the last hope, we wanna help!”) and they are kinda portrayed as like Finn’s moment on TFA (Finn was willing to help a bit in TFA, but not enough to go up against the FO at Maz’ Castle) … However, they wouldn’t act against anyone who is NOT on the FO side and especially those who are working against them. Why would they help the FO and gun such ones down? Wouldn’t make sense.

That is why fortunately, we have that scene between Finn and Jannah. That gives us some rational reasoning.

So maybe, it makes me think even if it “breaks the tension/shortens it” it would be good if C3PO, who has no problem blurting stuff out (even reprogrammed) something like “We are on a mission to save the galaxy” or something on those lines. Doesn’t have to be specific, but maybe something that he reveals they are the “good guys” and that prompts Rey to explain what they are doing. That’s the gamble now, double down on what side they are when Poe was not ready to reveal it.

EDIT: Is there less tension? Sure. But does it give us a more “at the moment” rationale why Jannah is willing to help? Yes. Even if it seems strange she would outright help them, does the movie later give us more explanation on Jannah and the crew, on why they would possibly have helped them then and later? Yes.

The saving grace regarding reddubing C3P0’s lines is his voice is completely different than his usual voice … that makes it very possible.

Since I don’t have a way to separate channels (and other techy things) I did some quick clips to start the ball rolling. Again, it is VERY rough and I am limited on what I can do, it is more of a visual check on it.

Rough Idea 1

https://vimeo.com/533712755
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Pretty much per Rogue’s suggestion. Again, it doesn’t have any sound adjustments and I just took out the sound on certain segments when someone was talking.

Rough Idea 2

https://vimeo.com/533713963
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This has a little change. One aspect per Rogue’s idea was there to be a pause and no one is speaking after Poe says “it depends.” It is probably just me, but because of the camera movement, it didn’t feel right to have a pause and the camera is zooming in during the quiet. That may be fine when the music/ambient sounds are playing. However, we go to zooming onto Poe and Rey and then get a shot change to Rey up close. So it kinda felt off to me, visually.

So this idea instead jumps to C-3p0 who “breaks the ice” which seems precisely what he does. We can re-dub him introducing himself. We cut to the one guy who kinda looks at the crew and then Jannah. Then we go to Rey. It seems more natural in a filming sort of way since the first example zooms in on Poe/Rey and then cuts to her. It felt like it needs something to break it up slightly.

I’m not sure without messing around with the resolution/proportions of the original shot since I am using Hal’s 1080 source. It would be nice to not have to cut off too much time to allow a little extra breathing room as the shot zooms in on her.

(Plus I am using iMovie, not sure how many good tools I have! Haha!)

I’ll play around with a rough idea like that Rogue. Last night I was playing around a little bit and a good chunk of your suggestion is what I was coming up with too (minor differences). It is a good time to actually let things “pause” for even brief moment and have Rey cut the tension. I did cut out the beginning part where Rey is about to speak since it showed Poe lowering the blaster, but there wasn’t a reason for him to do that. I’ll post a rough idea based on Rogue’s concept once I get home.

I still believe it would be more beneficial than not to keep the mythology of the Dagger. It accomplished a few things with, I think, doable changes/edits to accomplish it.

1. It benefits Ray’s character building. This movie is, trying to tell us, she is struggling between light and dark. She does clearly struggle with the light at the beginning. However, the movie is telling us she is struggling with using the dark … but not really? The only instance, prior to her encounter with Palps, is the “one time” she unknowingly used force lighting. Which in turn scarred her. So … she is wanting/struggling with the light but freaking out about the dark. That’s not really a struggle of choosing a side.

By having the dagger be a Dark Side thingy that actually aides her, like she has done in the previous movies of using the dark side “without a problem” it continues the struggle on to use it or not?

2. Why would Babu Frik send a broadcast out to the galaxy: Hey Ya’ll, we have the crew that is our last hope going to Endor. If you are/or support the First Order, please disregard. I’m a black market guy who has to live in secret, so please don’t spread this around too much. Thanks!

3. It would be nice that Finn’s conversation with Jannah works out to be a motivation for Jannah and crew to join up with them. You know, actually have Finn’s origin story of Storm Trooper turn good to help recruit others. Crazy concept, I know!

Lol, that’s probably it, though it is not confirmed at least.

But we also have the “movie logic” that the Knights have been on their trail … so there’s at least another explanation that is implied already in the movie.

I think that would also be a bonus too, which even if this wasn’t a direction Hal is going/even thinking about from just messing around this dagger/Jannah/Frik stuff would add that as a “side bonus” regarding Finn … which all be honest, a stupid lost opportunity on JJ’s part.

If I have some spare time I may mock up a rough idea.

I think Rogue is on to something for the scene as well, if you remove the Babu Frik comment, it can work.

Oh yeah, I am sorry, I did miss that completely, thanks Jar Jar.

That does even further give a good reason to remove it since … why send a … erm, public broadcasted message out about a group going to Point A (Endor) to essentially try to “save the day.” I don’t think they would want any FO people to pick it up, or even sympathizers for them too to get a hold of it.

SO yeah …

@sherlock I get that and don’t disagree with that assessment about it, no worries here with my initial thought.

You also bring up a good point about Frick and Jannah. When you think about it … why did Babu contact them? Do they know them? Doesn’t Babu only deal with the crew? Is Jannah and them part of the crew? Why would they know each other?

Just cutting out that works fine as Sherlock’s recut.

We get the whole “why trust each other” later with Fin and Jannah’s scene … so that covers that.

Been away for a bit and got caught up a bit. Ah yes, both Burbin and Captainfaraday brought up those important points about the dagger. A house of cards in deed Jar Jar.

So, the one simple answer is to unfortunately have the dagger specify Endor, but it would certainly remove the idea of the dagger being ancient, which then gets us back to the way it is from the start.

However, to still try to keep the idea of it being ancient, I dunno if your view on this has changed now Hal about having a chosen one/prophesy angle on it, but here is my thought now tying it both these points with Lando (Orchi has a clue on him about the Wayfinder) and the comment about Frik.

The blade can be viewed as something ancient if it does indeed have a “sith prophecy” like the Jedi had about a Chosen One in the PT (that in turn affected the OT, technically speaking)

So the Dagger can have an inscription about “the one to take the throne … Where the Emperor/Sith have fallen … the blade will guide to the Wayfinder.” Again, just something on those lines and can have more specifics since it is a “prophetic” ancient dagger. Something kind of “big deal” like the Chosen One prophecy was a “big deal” to the Jedi. So it could connect with some verbage based on part of Palp’s speech later, or even some of the wording on the “broadcast” people like. I dunno, something like that.

Also, since Hal removed Palp’s explicit intentions with Palpy and Rey (Not saying it was to kill or not, or however) but this could be implied now that Palps sent Orchi, with the Dagger, to see if Rey is either chosen or whatever by the dagger.

People know where the battle of the DSII was and where he “died,” so Frik would have contacted Jannah and them about their arrival.

Again, just initial thoughts and will need to ponder longer.

I think you’re right it was chase. But I agree, I thought it was great as is.

Quick rough draft idea of the translation based on my concept to make it so the dagger isn’t specifically tied to the Wayfinder. This helps give a reason why Orchi has it and why Rey needs it. To help ease both Rey and the audience, I am using the words: Sith/Way/Finder which also plants the idea in our minds, subconsciously. Again, rough draft and hopefully not to wordy to fit the scene with C3p0 (how long is it and how many words?)

“Only this blade will guide the Sith,
Who choose the dark path to find their Way,
For your heart’s desire, the blade is the Finder,
Your path may be revealed if you heed the calling,
If it accepts your hand, Only this blade tells.”

Again, I wanted it to be not specifically connected to the Wayfinder and thus, Orchi is using it for his mission. Also, I added the “hand part” so part of her vision can be Kylo/Ben which can cut to the part she says “no!” and then the flashes of the Wayfinder. Again, we have Sith/Way/Finder in her mind and ours.

I know I may be the minority now, but it would be helpful to have the dagger not be specifically tied to the Wayfinder but again assist those who follow the dark side/sith ways it will lead to their desire. But there could be a play on words to help “connect the dots.” Even in the translation it says Sith … Way … Finder so she could subconsciously view the dagger as something she can help.

Heck, again the vision that could be used when she picks up the dagger at the destroyer can either show footage of the Wayfinder (literal or from teh book), Endor and DSII wreckage or something on those lines that it confirms to her it will lead her to what she wants.

I only mentioned this since it could help reason why Orchi has the dagger. He knows where Exegol is, he doesn’t need the blade. But using a more “vague” purpose (Not leading to Wayfinder specifically) the blade helped guided him to find Rey’s parents, his desire (Following orders/revenge for the pappy clone betrayer) So we get, at least a reason, why Orchi has it and why Rey needs it.

Chase Adams said:

Finn:
“The Endor system? Where the last war seemingly ended but actually didn’t?”

LOL. Crying of laughter front that!

“The war that ended up meaning nothing and we just rebooted it?

^agreed

AH thanks for the explanation. I have to admit … I really don’t remember too much from the movie since I really havn’t sat down and watched it since … it came out? I think? Lol. So a lot of this goes over my head. Hahah!

So Hal, keep it where you see the "speeding falcon/Quick cockpit scene/Finn and Rey.

I do agree to try and work on the whisper sound. Is it playing too loud and causing the distortion? IF anything, I’d have a mix of different whispers that go from quite to mildly loud. That way you still hear finn’s line and there isn’t any sound “corruption” maybe?

I’m liking this. If the sound is cleaned up a bit, it does connect the dots on them going to Endor, since Rey told him/them about it and she is focused on the “sith whispers/voices” in her head now. Is it Vimeo or something that is causing the sound to feel distorted regarding the whispers? Or is it my end?

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I like the idea of having the Sith eyes toggleable. So normal eyes in one shot on the throne, and Sith eyes replacing the milky eyes in the following shot.

Later with the clone, normal while speaking, Sithy while hissing.

It reminds me of ROTS where Anakin’s eyes are Sithy while he’s really deep into the dark side, but otherwise appear normally. Only Palpatine and Maul had Sith eyes that were permanent.

Agreed with that assessment and that’s what I am thinking would probably work out the best in terms of the Saga in general, but also seem more … Natural? to the audience that way.

I wonder how hard it would be to “paint” the yellow eyes in the milky eye shots? It’s not like doing a color change to the eyes but really a full on replacement. Maybe using Fakeapp to “put her eyes back in” and then color them?

(I say this like I know what I am saying, which I don’t. Lol)

Anakin Starkiller said:

I interpreted the white eyes as Palps having gone blind because that’s how badly his body’s deteriorated.

Agreed, basically its from his decaying body … it seemed very clear to me that’s what was going on that’s what they were going for … which made some sense.

But why the milky Eye’s for Rey in that vision … made no sense. Sith eyes would have made both sense in the context of the vision AND actually connects to the previous movie’s portrayal of Sith Eyes.

It could certainly work out that way, i’d like to se both. One with both eyes and the other with just the last “empress shot” in her earlier vision. I may lean just the 1 shot in the beginning so it’s more of a “build” up or it hits more to the audience at that moment. I could be wrong though, it may look great with both!

But dear lord … I forgot about the Milk Eye Rey … ugh. Lol. It’s so much clearer using Sith eyes since it actually connects to the past previous trilogies. Lol.