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The 25th Anniversary DVD did not have the mono option. I’ll have to do some cross checking but I never noticed a drop in volume in that section on the mono on the 30th Anniversary DVD (that’s personally my go to version for the mono). Below are some clips. Based on what I’ve listened to over the years on various releases I’m pretty sure this is the source of these tracks.

Laserdisc

https://youtu.be/N_AIcVMStCg

30th Anniversary DVD

https://youtu.be/Bp1clW-73M4

Blu-ray

https://youtu.be/EQMZC_7KyIE

One thing I don’t really like about the LD track in this instance is the gun shot when he says ‘bitch’ lacks the punch it has in the other two examples. Just my personal opinion over what’s the best version of the mono, the LD version is a bit more definitive while IMO the track on the 30th Anniversary DVD is a bit more crisper though it has some audio issues in some spots such as audio crackle during the cage attack scene (an issue that also plagues the Blu-ray mono).

NeoMatrix said:

crissrudd4554 said:

JayArgonaut said:

For the benefit of those, such as myself who are unaware of problems with the mono tracks on DVD and Blu-ray, can you elaborate please?

https://vimeo.com/166704816

And because it’s a long vid I’ll break it down.

1. Cassidy burps at the end of the opening scene. The burp is audible on the LD while its only faintly present on the DVD and BD mono tracks. The burp is missing completely on the DVD and BD surround tracks.

2. This isn’t an issue with the BD or DVDs. Some pre-1995 video releases had different music playing in the background of the beach scene where the boy on the raft is killed. Subsequent releases have the correct music, mono and surround.

3. When Brody and Hooper cut open the Tiger Shark, the sound effects on the 2012 BD/DVD mono are a fraction of a second out of sync. The LD and 2005 DVD mono have the correct syncing.

4. When the shark tugs the Orca, the dialogue being shouted by the three leads is much clearer on the LD as well the DVD and BD surround mixes. On the mono track on the DVDs and BD the dialogue is a bit drowned out in spots.

5. When the engine overheats and explodes, the sound effect of the explosion is in the wrong pitch on the 2012 BD/DVD. The LD and 2005 DVD mono has the correct pitch.

6. When the rigging for the shark cage collapses Brody lets out a scream when the rigging lands and just misses him. The scream is audible on the LD as well as the DVD and BD surround tracks. The scream is a bit drowned out in the DVD and BD mono tracks. Additionally a shot of the shark wrecking the cage just before the rigging collapses has an odd drop in volume on the 2012 BD/DVD.

7. When Quint and Brody bring up the wrecked remains of the shark cage, Brody lets out a subtle ‘yeah’. This is heard on all but the LD.

Plus there is a sharp drop in the audio when Brody laughs at the shark’s demise

On which release??

JayArgonaut said:

For the benefit of those, such as myself who are unaware of problems with the mono tracks on DVD and Blu-ray, can you elaborate please?

https://vimeo.com/166704816

And because it’s a long vid I’ll break it down.

1. Cassidy burps at the end of the opening scene. The burp is audible on the LD while its only faintly present on the DVD and BD mono tracks. The burp is missing completely on the DVD and BD surround tracks.

2. This isn’t an issue with the BD or DVDs. Some pre-1995 video releases had different music playing in the background of the beach scene where the boy on the raft is killed. Subsequent releases have the correct music, mono and surround.

3. When Brody and Hooper cut open the Tiger Shark, the sound effects on the 2012 BD/DVD mono are a fraction of a second out of sync. The LD and 2005 DVD mono have the correct syncing.

4. When the shark tugs the Orca, the dialogue being shouted by the three leads is much clearer on the LD as well the DVD and BD surround mixes. On the mono track on the DVDs and BD the dialogue is a bit drowned out in spots.

5. When the engine overheats and explodes, the sound effect of the explosion is in the wrong pitch on the 2012 BD/DVD. The LD and 2005 DVD mono has the correct pitch.

6. When the rigging for the shark cage collapses Brody lets out a scream when the rigging lands and just misses him. The scream is audible on the LD as well as the DVD and BD surround tracks. The scream is a bit drowned out in the DVD and BD mono tracks. Additionally a shot of the shark wrecking the cage just before the rigging collapses has an odd drop in volume on the 2012 BD/DVD.

7. When Quint and Brody bring up the wrecked remains of the shark cage, Brody lets out a subtle ‘yeah’. This is heard on all but the LD.

I have the High School Reunion DVD which is basically a repackage of the first DVD release. It has the mono.

ChainsawAsh said:

Was that ever released in the US? I know we got some OT box sets with the GOUT discs, but I don’t remember any of them being tin cases/steelbooks.

Yes there was. At Best Buy. I have one.

Sorry. I’ve been sidetracked. I will try to get to it this week.

regularjoe said:

Is there any concrete statement from someone that would know that there is a re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-release slated for next year?

Not that I am aware of. It’s really all speculation at the moment as always.

I knew Vader’s face seemed off in that shot but couldn’t put my foot on it.

I will try. Probably won’t be able to get to it for a days since I got a tight work schedule this week. I’ll try to have it done over the weekend.

I have the 1994 VHS (basically a reprint of the 1991 VHS) copied to a DVD. Haven’t actually ripped the audio though.

Officially you can get it on any Region 1 DVD or the remastered LD from the ‘90s.

Shoot this guy a message.

https://originaltrilogy.com/user/Colson/id/22811

He has the Criterion mono ripped and synced to the UHD release.

SpacemanDoug said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Blu Ray 1977 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I believe Fast Times at Ridgemont High had some changes as well. Some home video releases had different songs due to licensing but I think this was resolved by the time the film made it to DVD. The surround mix first introduced on the 2005 DVD had some minor effects changes I believe. That DVD as well as the BD does not have the mono. The original DVD and the High School Reunion DVD as far as I know has the correct original mono!

It’s me Pete 1972! You remember when we commented on the Jaws videos? Looks like another film is getting the audio revisionism treatment. According to Digital Bits and some fans, Batman 89’s Dolby Atmos mix has a lot of changes with the sound effects. Gun shots have been altered and the starting up of the Batmobile is changed too. Also Digital Bits said that the Dolby 5.1 on the 4K is a downmix and not the 5.1 that was on the previous Blu Ray.

Figures. (Rolls eyes) Apparently the 4K release of Blade Runner also has audio revisions though I’m not sure off hand what they are.

And yes I do remember you. Nice to see ya again!

actually the audio revisions on Blade Runner date back to when the 2007 Blu-ray was released, and the revisions are only on the final cut, the other cuts have the original sound effects

No I’ve seen comments on bluray.com that apparently more revisions were made to the Final Cut mix for the UHD release.

Here’s part of a quote from one user.

“As for the audio, I must apologise to whomever it was who mentioned that the sounds of the fire plumes in the opening ‘hades’ shot were different, because they ARE different and it’s patently obvious. This isn’t just Atmos affecting it (which I don’t use anyway, listening in straight 7.1), this isn’t just better quality, this is noticeably different audio. This continues into the opening scene at Tyrell Corp, like where you can now hear the distinct ‘woosh’ of the fan blades overhead during the wide shot in the ‘mother’ exchange between Holden and Leon, then when Leon actually shoots him the sound of his first gunshot is largely unchanged but the second one has been altered to a more normal sounding gun and Holden hitting the table is palpably ‘sharper’ sounding, for want of a better description.”

Blu Ray 1977 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I believe Fast Times at Ridgemont High had some changes as well. Some home video releases had different songs due to licensing but I think this was resolved by the time the film made it to DVD. The surround mix first introduced on the 2005 DVD had some minor effects changes I believe. That DVD as well as the BD does not have the mono. The original DVD and the High School Reunion DVD as far as I know has the correct original mono!

It’s me Pete 1972! You remember when we commented on the Jaws videos? Looks like another film is getting the audio revisionism treatment. According to Digital Bits and some fans, Batman 89’s Dolby Atmos mix has a lot of changes with the sound effects. Gun shots have been altered and the starting up of the Batmobile is changed too. Also Digital Bits said that the Dolby 5.1 on the 4K is a downmix and not the 5.1 that was on the previous Blu Ray.

Figures. (Rolls eyes) Apparently the 4K release of Blade Runner also has audio revisions though I’m not sure off hand what they are.

And yes I do remember you. Nice to see ya again!

I’ve been using the 2010 version of DVD Architect. Works fine on my Windows 10 computer.

Sad day. RIP Peter. Thank you for giving Chewie life! 😦

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

crissrudd4554 said:

At best! 😂😂

Honestly, if the OUT were officially available, I might find the SE funny. But as it is, it’s just sad that one of the most influential films ever made is presented on official home media only in a not only altered, but laughing-stock, form.

The Special Editions feel like an April Fool’s joke that sadly is real.

At best! 😂😂

Something that came to my mind the other day about how Greedo shooting first conflicts with the Jabba scene. Because Greedo shot first there’s really no point for Jabba to ask Han ‘why did you fry poor Greedo??’. Yes you could argue Jabba maybe wasn’t aware Greedo shot first and Han killed in self defense but given that’s how the dialogue was in the original shot scene with Declan Mulholland this seems to tie in better with the idea that Han shot first.

I disagree. I think even if an official release occurs, the restorations are going to continue.

ray_afraid said:

crissrudd4554 said:

LordZerome1080 said:

If they don’t include the OUT we should boycott.

Dude we all wanna see the OUT get restored and released but let’s be realistic!

If they don’t include the versions I want, I’m not buying.
I don’t buy things I don’t want.
Is that a realistic boycott?

Not buying something you don’t want is realistic. To be able to boycott a release because it’s only the SE despite the SE having been the only version available for years anyways despite fan complaints is not.

LordZerome1080 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

LordZerome1080 said:

If they don’t include the OUT we should boycott.

Dude we all wanna see the OUT get restored and released but let’s be realistic!

The SE only getting released is non-realistic.

Then explain why they have been the only commercially available versions of the films since 2011???

DominicCobb said:

I don’t know why people think there’ll be a “final version.” That’s very unlikely to happen.

This is literally the only thing I took away from that Kathleen Kennedy interview from two years ago. Anyone hoping for a ‘final cut’ type deal are pretty much out of luck.

LordZerome1080 said:

If they don’t include the OUT we should boycott.

Dude we all wanna see the OUT get restored and released but let’s be realistic!

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Ummmmmmmmmmmm…

He’s being sarcastic

Fair enough.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm…