crissrudd4554

moviefreakedmind said:

Fang Zei said:

ChainsawAsh said:

That’s what he’s saying - disc 1 would be the SE in 4K, disc 2 the SE in 1080p, disc 3 the OT in 1080p, and disc 4 is extras (in 1080p). The standard BR release would just drop the 4K disc.

Exactly, which would once again be giving the two versions unequal treatment (both versions get 1080p but only the SE gets released on UHD).

Honestly, I wouldn’t complain at this point. If I got a good restoration of the original trilogy in 1080p all from original film elements done right, then I’m going to be a happy camper. If that’s what this release turns out to be then I hope that people don’t boycott it based purely on that.

This^

moviefreakedmind said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

The part about “Four discs per film for the 4k, three for the standard blu” made my heart sink a little, since that might mean they’re once again going to give the two different versions unequal treatment, with the 4k UHD only including the SE in 4k and relegating the unaltered version to 1080p.

When we have actual 4k transfers of these movies made by the fans and LFL actually has the ability to do us one better with a professional cleanup from a scan of higher quality elements only they possess, it would be a real shame if they gave us the OOT only to lock it into a level of quality from 13 years ago. Deja vu, man.

Again, this is assuming anything in this article isn’t total clickbait bs. The timing makes it highly suspect.

My guess is, that they will respect Lucas’ wishes by not restoring the OOT as a whole. What they might possibly do, is to release a whole bunch of restored unreleased footage at 1080p, and in those same extras include the restored OOT scenes.

I’m not convinced that those are exactly his wishes. Lucas is not against film restoration.

Yep. Also if he truly never wanted them released again in any capacity he wouldnt have caved with the GOUT. Yes he cheated us by using LD masters but it at least shows he’s not fully against them being available. If Disney/LF made the decision to fund a restoration of the OUT and have it released, I really doubt George would care (it’s not his money).

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

All I’m saying is there is no reason Celebration is the only way they will release news about the impending 4K release of Star Wars. It could be Celebration, it could be May 4th, it could be some random Thursday afternoon in July. No need to pin your hopes/fears on just this week 😃

This^

LordZerome1080 said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

LordZerome1080 said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

LordZerome1080 said:

VHS>GOUT

You’re really going to have to tell us why. There is no reason why this could plausibly be the case.

VHS has no motion smearing that I can notice

maybe check the soap-opera effect settings on your DVD player

it has superior sound and visual quality

Objectively false

it has awesome cover art

besides the point

it is anamorphic

VHS is not anamorphic…

and it doesn’t include the SE with it.

besides the point

I’m not talking about the regular faces, I’m talking about the THX certified version.

There is no version of the Faces set that ISN’T THX certified. As outdated as those masters were by 2006, they looked much better on the GOUT than on any VHS.

Non-anamorphic widescreen DVDs sourced from masters that even at that time were over a decade old? Not a particular victory if you ask me plus they’re no longer available.

Yes I know. Like I said ‘even without the complications of Fox’. If they had wanted to they could have worked a deal to co-distribute the films on video but they did not.

I wasn’t but no release of the OUT two years ago for the 40th Anniversary pretty much has made me more or less permanently doubtful of any such release even without the complications of Fox. Doesn’t mean I don’t wanna see it happen though.

LordZerome1080 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

[LordZerome1080 said:]
Only 5 more days until an announcement will occur.

Evidence???

Evidence it won’t occur???

The fact that Disney has owned LF for over half a decade without anything to show on the subject?? The fact that a 4K version of ANH was apparently completed around 2014ish and was apparently confirmed to be the SE?? The fact that any form of restoring the original cuts is will roughly take 1-2 years to complete so any hopes of a restored OUT within the next year or so seems out of the realms of reality!

Your evidence it will??

[LordZerome1080 said:]
Only 5 more days until an announcement will occur.

Evidence???

LordZerome1080 said:

Only 5 more days until an announcement won’t occur.

FTFY

[Tantive3+1 said:]
If the scene was realsed on DVD then it wouldn’t count

Understood. I was only mentioning it because the current editions don’t have it.

The VHS, LD, and first DVD editions of Ace Ventura Pet Detective has this scene that wasn’t in the theatrical release. Subsequent DVD and Blu-Ray releases are the theatrical cut.

https://youtu.be/4bKDug_GaJc

Older VHS and LD releases of The Santa Clause has this scene that was ultimately cut from later releases.

https://youtu.be/AiOwAbjhyDo

Not an ‘alteration’ alteration but worth mentioning. This is regarding the movie Indian in the Cupboard. For the US Theatrical release and International video releases the film was distributed by Paramount. For International Theatrical release and US video releases it was distributed by Columbia. For the Paramount release, Paramount gets first billing in the opening credits. For the Columbia release it’s reversed.

Paramount

Columbia

Same for end credits. Note the Paramount version has 1995 in Roman Numerals while the Columbia version is regular numbers??

Paramount

Columbia

nl0428 said:

LordZerome1080 said:

nl0428 said:

It would be great to have a nine film box set of all three trilogies. The unfortunate truth is that the unaltered versions of the original trilogy will never be released (most likely something George Lucas made clear when selling his property to Disney in the contract). It would be nice is Lucasfilm color corrected the Special Editions to remove the color timing issues that were introduced in the original 2004 DVD release.

We don’t know for sure whether it’s true or not.

This interview confirms that Lucasfilm is not releasing the unaltered trilogy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZO0_yYvmxo

For the last time NO it doesn’t!

George is not part of the equation in any form. Plus this interview basically confirms it’s Disney’s decision at this point. George is not the issue.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Interview-with-Marc-Wielage-colorist-Star-Wars-2004-DVD-releases/id/61328

ChainsawAsh said:

Fang Zei said:

Anyway, what’s so special about the 70mm ESB? Didn’t ANH also have picture and sound differences between the 35mm and 70mm versions?

Sound, yes, picture, no. ESB is the only one to have visual/editing differences between 70mm and 35mm, which was just down to a few VFX shots in the final scene being unfinished when the 70mm prints were struck IIRC.

I seem to recall reading there were also slightly different scene transitions between the two. Some of the audio changes were carried over to the SE. ‘It’ll keep you warm until I get the shelter up’ ‘You were lucky to get out of there’ etc.

Infinity said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Given I’m still attached to DVD (nothing wrong with HD, just not mandatory to my viewing needs), I just recently got the 2007 Blade Runner Ultimate Collection DVD (just the DVD set, no carry case or whatever) and pretty happy with what it is. If the GOUT had been non-anamorphic widescreen I’d probably be content with that as well. That said I agree all cuts of Blade Runner should be included on all future formats (given the state of physical media at this point who knows if there will be) no more than all cuts of Star Wars should be.

GOUT was non-anamorphic widescreen.

Sorry. I meant to say HADN’T been Non-Anamorphic Widescreen.

Given I’m still attached to DVD (nothing wrong with HD, just not mandatory to my viewing needs), I just recently got the 2007 Blade Runner Ultimate Collection DVD (just the DVD set, no carry case or whatever) and pretty happy with what it is. If the GOUT had been non-anamorphic widescreen I’d probably be content with that as well. That said I agree all cuts of Blade Runner should be included on all future formats (given the state of physical media at this point who knows if there will be) no more than all cuts of Star Wars should be.

DominicCobb said:

Everyone points to Blade Runner as the best way to do multiple versions on disc, but ironically for the past couple years the Final Cut has been the only one in print.

There is a box set in the U.K. with the Final Cut on UHD and the other cuts on a regular Blu-ray. Not exactly the same but it’s something I guess and at least it’s region free.

screams in the void said:

never tell me the odds !

LordZerome1080 said:

With March almost over what do you think are the odds of a celebration announcement?

0/0

Tobar said:
Tobar: So do you think they’ll ever release the original theatrical versions?
Rudedude: Excuse me? Why would I want incomplete films?!?

I don’t know what’s sadder. That they actually agree that the originals are incomplete or that they actually agree the current versions are truly complete. To think they’ll look at Jedi Rocks and think ‘this movie would be incomplete without this’ but hey beggers can’t be choosers I guess.

Though to be fair with that attitude they likely only know of the originals by word of mouth, not actual viewing.

Was going through a can of old tickets we have saved (mostly concerts) and I did stumble on these. Tickets for Star Wars Special Edition and Revenge of the Sith.

rodneyfaile said:

Sorry to be pessimistic. I believe they will show up as a special feature eventually, but I just don’t see a beautiful Unaltered Original Trilogy on 4K UHD with HDR released to huge fanfare. I’m more and more thankful for my Harmy discs every day. Still doesn’t address the need for preserving the original content for future generations though. I hate the idea of something so special being lost. Guess this is all for another thread though.

If the originals are ever restored again it would be as an extra just like the 2006 DVDs. Whether they will be legit restored versions or outdated Laserdiscs masters like before is another story. The Special Editions are now the canon versions so I definitely don’t see a reversal happening should the originals ever be restored which becomes more and more unlikely the more time passes without it happening.

springfeel said:

one flew over the cukoo’s nest has a bunch of added foley and a 5.1 mix.
not sure if the old flipper DVD has the original mono.

This site says the old disc has a 2.0 stereo track.

http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=371

The Decimator said:

I’m watching Scarface on AMC right now, and it sounds like they’ve changed the sound effects for the guns.

Yes.

crissrudd4554 said:
There’s also been examples such as Grease and Scarface where although the original mixes were not mono they still were given 5.1 remixes later on that completely revised everything.

The theatre I saw a few Star Wars films at is apparently getting redone. Not surprising. Hasn’t seem that busy there the last few years. Even when I saw Last Jedi the theatre was only 50-60% full.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pressofatlanticcity.com/business/frank-theatres-says-towne-to-reopen-with-new-name-look/article_5f81797e-7f70-5028-9918-d2cc1f9af978.amp.html