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DrDre said:

crissrudd4554 said:

DrDre said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Like before?

Well, it was slightly different in 2015. The day before the digital release dropped (which was the same week as Celebration IIRC) there was a report citing a “source” within LFL that the Han/Greedo scene had been altered yet again, this time back to its original pre-SE edit.

That report may yet turn out to be true. It could be a change that’s being saved for the 4k remaster.

Anyway, yeah, it wasn’t an OOT rumor that time. But Greedo shooting first is arguably the most controversial change George has made to these films. Changing it back to its original state would be a big deal all on its own.

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s important to note that the article’s source didn’t specifically say that we should expect the OOT the way that every other rumor has. They kind of hinted at it, but again, the point was more that there were 4K restorations happening, not that we’d get the original versions. That, to me, makes the article a bit more credible since it isn’t as speculative.

Yeah, but they also mention that Lucasfilm is thinking at least three discs per movie and that this Skywalker Saga release will “please fans.”

For the OT films, just what in the world could that possibly mean other than the unaltered version on one of those discs?!

Just visit some other Star Wars boards, and you’ll find that most fans are pleased with the SE. Many of them will argue, that they wouldn’t mind an OOT release, but they don’t view it as essential, and some don’t care for it at all. The OOT fans have sadly become a monority, so “please the fans” doesn’t have to imply an OOT release. The SE in the best state possible with a ton of previously unreleased extras will do that for most fans.

The whole “who shot first” thing is still widely associated with the Star Wars fandom. Pleasing the fans is an obvious nod to the OUT in this context. Whether this will happen or not is a different question.

To me this is nothing more than projecting your own views on the entire fandom. The days that “who shot first” was a big thing in the fandom are long past. The fans are a much wider and diverse group than our little community here on OT.com, many if not most who grew up with the PT, and the SE, and many who consider the SE superior to the original versions, and more consistent when viewed in the context of the saga as a whole. When people at Disney talk about pleasing the fans, they are most likely talking about the growing majority of fans, who would like to see the saga in the highest quality possible in combination with unreleased material, not the dwindling minority of OOT fans.

You are aware that those who want the OUT is not restricted to just this site correct?? I’m not saying the market for the OUT isn’t/hasn’t shrinking/shrunk with each passing day but I would not go as far to say this site represents 99% of those who want it. Just because there isn’t others who post about it doesn’t mean they don’t want it.

Hal 9000 said:

I only take issue with Star Wars fans’ opinions when they say they would the OOT not to ever be released alongside the ‘official’ versions.

That would literally be the only scenario it would happen. It ain’t gonna be like E.T. where Spielberg ultimately reversed his opinion and now the theatrical cut is only the available version. The SE’s of Star Wars are here to stay whether we’re happy about it or not. Whether they will coexist someday with the OUT is another story.

I’m very aware, because I’m also active on other boards, and one thing that struck me is, that you often meet the same people who advocate the release of the OOT, while the majority doesn’t seem to care all that much, beyond viewing the OOT as a curiousity, that they might be interested in owning, while their go-to versions will remain the SE. In other words as I said before, the OOT seems nice to have, but not essential to the majority of fans.

Anything could happen. Some could argue 5 cuts of Blade Runner wasn’t essential but for a time they were all coexisting together.

DrDre said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Like before?

Well, it was slightly different in 2015. The day before the digital release dropped (which was the same week as Celebration IIRC) there was a report citing a “source” within LFL that the Han/Greedo scene had been altered yet again, this time back to its original pre-SE edit.

That report may yet turn out to be true. It could be a change that’s being saved for the 4k remaster.

Anyway, yeah, it wasn’t an OOT rumor that time. But Greedo shooting first is arguably the most controversial change George has made to these films. Changing it back to its original state would be a big deal all on its own.

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s important to note that the article’s source didn’t specifically say that we should expect the OOT the way that every other rumor has. They kind of hinted at it, but again, the point was more that there were 4K restorations happening, not that we’d get the original versions. That, to me, makes the article a bit more credible since it isn’t as speculative.

Yeah, but they also mention that Lucasfilm is thinking at least three discs per movie and that this Skywalker Saga release will “please fans.”

For the OT films, just what in the world could that possibly mean other than the unaltered version on one of those discs?!

Just visit some other Star Wars boards, and you’ll find that most fans are pleased with the SE. Many of them will argue, that they wouldn’t mind an OOT release, but they don’t view it as essential, and some don’t care for it at all. The OOT fans have sadly become a monority, so “please the fans” doesn’t have to imply an OOT release. The SE in the best state possible with a ton of previously unreleased extras will do that for most fans.

The whole “who shot first” thing is still widely associated with the Star Wars fandom. Pleasing the fans is an obvious nod to the OUT in this context. Whether this will happen or not is a different question.

To me this is nothing more than projecting your own views on the entire fandom. The days that “who shot first” was a big thing in the fandom are long past. The fans are a much wider and diverse group than our little community here on OT.com, many if not most who grew up with the PT, and the SE, and many who consider the SE superior to the original versions, and more consistent when viewed in the context of the saga as a whole. When people at Disney talk about pleasing the fans, they are most likely talking about the growing majority of fans, who would like to see the saga in the highest quality possible in combination with unreleased material, not the dwindling minority of OOT fans.

You are aware that those who want the OUT is not restricted to just this site correct?? I’m not saying the market for the OUT isn’t/hasn’t shrinking/shrunk with each passing day but I would not go as far to say this site represents 99% of those who want it. Just because there isn’t others who post about it doesn’t mean they don’t want it.

Hal 9000 said:

I only take issue with Star Wars fans’ opinions when they say they would the OOT not to ever be released alongside the ‘official’ versions.

That would literally be the only scenario it would happen. It ain’t gonna be like E.T. where Spielberg ultimately reversed his opinion and now the theatrical cut is only the available version. The SE’s of Star Wars are here to stay whether we’re happy about it or not. Whether they will coexist someday with the OUT is another story.

I believe Fast Times at Ridgemont High had some changes as well. Some home video releases had different songs due to licensing but I think this was resolved by the time the film made it to DVD. The surround mix first introduced on the 2005 DVD had some minor effects changes I believe. That DVD as well as the BD does not have the mono. The original DVD and the High School Reunion DVD as far as I know has the correct original mono!

SpacemanDoug said:
For Halloween sadly only the Shout! Factory blu-ray set includes the original unaltered mono.

The 2007 BD I believe has the correct mono as well. The 35th Anniversary single BD (non-box set version) and the 40th Anniversary UHD use a mono downmix.

moviefreakedmind said:

Fang Zei said:

ChainsawAsh said:

That’s what he’s saying - disc 1 would be the SE in 4K, disc 2 the SE in 1080p, disc 3 the OT in 1080p, and disc 4 is extras (in 1080p). The standard BR release would just drop the 4K disc.

Exactly, which would once again be giving the two versions unequal treatment (both versions get 1080p but only the SE gets released on UHD).

Honestly, I wouldn’t complain at this point. If I got a good restoration of the original trilogy in 1080p all from original film elements done right, then I’m going to be a happy camper. If that’s what this release turns out to be then I hope that people don’t boycott it based purely on that.

This^

moviefreakedmind said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

The part about “Four discs per film for the 4k, three for the standard blu” made my heart sink a little, since that might mean they’re once again going to give the two different versions unequal treatment, with the 4k UHD only including the SE in 4k and relegating the unaltered version to 1080p.

When we have actual 4k transfers of these movies made by the fans and LFL actually has the ability to do us one better with a professional cleanup from a scan of higher quality elements only they possess, it would be a real shame if they gave us the OOT only to lock it into a level of quality from 13 years ago. Deja vu, man.

Again, this is assuming anything in this article isn’t total clickbait bs. The timing makes it highly suspect.

My guess is, that they will respect Lucas’ wishes by not restoring the OOT as a whole. What they might possibly do, is to release a whole bunch of restored unreleased footage at 1080p, and in those same extras include the restored OOT scenes.

I’m not convinced that those are exactly his wishes. Lucas is not against film restoration.

Yep. Also if he truly never wanted them released again in any capacity he wouldnt have caved with the GOUT. Yes he cheated us by using LD masters but it at least shows he’s not fully against them being available. If Disney/LF made the decision to fund a restoration of the OUT and have it released, I really doubt George would care (it’s not his money).

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

All I’m saying is there is no reason Celebration is the only way they will release news about the impending 4K release of Star Wars. It could be Celebration, it could be May 4th, it could be some random Thursday afternoon in July. No need to pin your hopes/fears on just this week 😃

This^

LordZerome1080 said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

LordZerome1080 said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

LordZerome1080 said:

VHS>GOUT

You’re really going to have to tell us why. There is no reason why this could plausibly be the case.

VHS has no motion smearing that I can notice

maybe check the soap-opera effect settings on your DVD player

it has superior sound and visual quality

Objectively false

it has awesome cover art

besides the point

it is anamorphic

VHS is not anamorphic…

and it doesn’t include the SE with it.

besides the point

I’m not talking about the regular faces, I’m talking about the THX certified version.

There is no version of the Faces set that ISN’T THX certified. As outdated as those masters were by 2006, they looked much better on the GOUT than on any VHS.

Non-anamorphic widescreen DVDs sourced from masters that even at that time were over a decade old? Not a particular victory if you ask me plus they’re no longer available.

Yes I know. Like I said ‘even without the complications of Fox’. If they had wanted to they could have worked a deal to co-distribute the films on video but they did not.

I wasn’t but no release of the OUT two years ago for the 40th Anniversary pretty much has made me more or less permanently doubtful of any such release even without the complications of Fox. Doesn’t mean I don’t wanna see it happen though.

LordZerome1080 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

[LordZerome1080 said:]
Only 5 more days until an announcement will occur.

Evidence???

Evidence it won’t occur???

The fact that Disney has owned LF for over half a decade without anything to show on the subject?? The fact that a 4K version of ANH was apparently completed around 2014ish and was apparently confirmed to be the SE?? The fact that any form of restoring the original cuts is will roughly take 1-2 years to complete so any hopes of a restored OUT within the next year or so seems out of the realms of reality!

Your evidence it will??

[LordZerome1080 said:]
Only 5 more days until an announcement will occur.

Evidence???

LordZerome1080 said:

Only 5 more days until an announcement won’t occur.

FTFY

[Tantive3+1 said:]
If the scene was realsed on DVD then it wouldn’t count

Understood. I was only mentioning it because the current editions don’t have it.

The VHS, LD, and first DVD editions of Ace Ventura Pet Detective has this scene that wasn’t in the theatrical release. Subsequent DVD and Blu-Ray releases are the theatrical cut.

https://youtu.be/4bKDug_GaJc

Older VHS and LD releases of The Santa Clause has this scene that was ultimately cut from later releases.

https://youtu.be/AiOwAbjhyDo

Not an ‘alteration’ alteration but worth mentioning. This is regarding the movie Indian in the Cupboard. For the US Theatrical release and International video releases the film was distributed by Paramount. For International Theatrical release and US video releases it was distributed by Columbia. For the Paramount release, Paramount gets first billing in the opening credits. For the Columbia release it’s reversed.

Paramount

Columbia

Same for end credits. Note the Paramount version has 1995 in Roman Numerals while the Columbia version is regular numbers??

Paramount

Columbia

nl0428 said:

LordZerome1080 said:

nl0428 said:

It would be great to have a nine film box set of all three trilogies. The unfortunate truth is that the unaltered versions of the original trilogy will never be released (most likely something George Lucas made clear when selling his property to Disney in the contract). It would be nice is Lucasfilm color corrected the Special Editions to remove the color timing issues that were introduced in the original 2004 DVD release.

We don’t know for sure whether it’s true or not.

This interview confirms that Lucasfilm is not releasing the unaltered trilogy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZO0_yYvmxo

For the last time NO it doesn’t!

George is not part of the equation in any form. Plus this interview basically confirms it’s Disney’s decision at this point. George is not the issue.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Interview-with-Marc-Wielage-colorist-Star-Wars-2004-DVD-releases/id/61328

ChainsawAsh said:

Fang Zei said:

Anyway, what’s so special about the 70mm ESB? Didn’t ANH also have picture and sound differences between the 35mm and 70mm versions?

Sound, yes, picture, no. ESB is the only one to have visual/editing differences between 70mm and 35mm, which was just down to a few VFX shots in the final scene being unfinished when the 70mm prints were struck IIRC.

I seem to recall reading there were also slightly different scene transitions between the two. Some of the audio changes were carried over to the SE. ‘It’ll keep you warm until I get the shelter up’ ‘You were lucky to get out of there’ etc.

Infinity said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Given I’m still attached to DVD (nothing wrong with HD, just not mandatory to my viewing needs), I just recently got the 2007 Blade Runner Ultimate Collection DVD (just the DVD set, no carry case or whatever) and pretty happy with what it is. If the GOUT had been non-anamorphic widescreen I’d probably be content with that as well. That said I agree all cuts of Blade Runner should be included on all future formats (given the state of physical media at this point who knows if there will be) no more than all cuts of Star Wars should be.

GOUT was non-anamorphic widescreen.

Sorry. I meant to say HADN’T been Non-Anamorphic Widescreen.

Given I’m still attached to DVD (nothing wrong with HD, just not mandatory to my viewing needs), I just recently got the 2007 Blade Runner Ultimate Collection DVD (just the DVD set, no carry case or whatever) and pretty happy with what it is. If the GOUT had been non-anamorphic widescreen I’d probably be content with that as well. That said I agree all cuts of Blade Runner should be included on all future formats (given the state of physical media at this point who knows if there will be) no more than all cuts of Star Wars should be.

DominicCobb said:

Everyone points to Blade Runner as the best way to do multiple versions on disc, but ironically for the past couple years the Final Cut has been the only one in print.

There is a box set in the U.K. with the Final Cut on UHD and the other cuts on a regular Blu-ray. Not exactly the same but it’s something I guess and at least it’s region free.

screams in the void said:

never tell me the odds !

LordZerome1080 said:

With March almost over what do you think are the odds of a celebration announcement?

0/0

Tobar said:
Tobar: So do you think they’ll ever release the original theatrical versions?
Rudedude: Excuse me? Why would I want incomplete films?!?

I don’t know what’s sadder. That they actually agree that the originals are incomplete or that they actually agree the current versions are truly complete. To think they’ll look at Jedi Rocks and think ‘this movie would be incomplete without this’ but hey beggers can’t be choosers I guess.

Though to be fair with that attitude they likely only know of the originals by word of mouth, not actual viewing.

Was going through a can of old tickets we have saved (mostly concerts) and I did stumble on these. Tickets for Star Wars Special Edition and Revenge of the Sith.