crissrudd4554

timdiggerm said:

crissrudd4554 said:

timdiggerm said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Yep I’ve never to to anything as the GOUT except those 2006 DVDs.

Well, except for the thread title

I didn’t make the thread. 😉

Somehow I had read “I’ve never to to anything” as “I’ve never heard of anything” instead of “I’ve never referred to anything” as I now assume you must’ve meant.

Yes and to be fair I didn’t realize I miswrote my original post until you quoted it. But yes ‘I’ve never referred to’ was what I originally meant.

Just the same what is their connection with Star Wars??

timdiggerm said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Yep I’ve never to to anything as the GOUT except those 2006 DVDs.

Well, except for the thread title

I didn’t make the thread. 😉

JawsTDS said:

We need a Jaws equivalent of hairy_hen here to analyze all these mixes thoroughly.

I’ve been thinking of making another comparison video. Can someone rip the mono track from the BD and send it to me??

SpacemanDoug said:

The laserdisc isn’t even perfect as some are making it out to be. The LD mono accidentally excludes a line of dialogue during the scene where they’re pulling the cage up from under the water. In the original version you were able to here Brody quietly say “Yeah”, but on the LD mono it was omitted. Note that the line is restored on the 2005 DVD and BD mono versions.

Yes this has been noted.

crissrudd4554 said:

https://vimeo.com/166704816

7. When Quint and Brody bring up the wrecked remains of the shark cage, Brody lets out a subtle ‘yeah’. This is heard on all but the LD.

However aside from that one missing line everything that is ‘flawed’ with the other tracks is not so on the LD.

The only oddities for me on the BD mono track is the out of sync sound effects when they cut open the Tiger Shark, the engine explosion in the wrong pitch, and the drop in volume during a shot of the shark ripping the cage up. I’ve never heard these on any other mix. My guess the elements may have shifted or deteriorated over the years but then again they were just fine 7 years earlier so who knows??

One thing that the BD mono does ‘correct’ over the 2005 DVD mono is on the latter there was an audio glitch during the shot of Hooper’s spear falling towards the ocean floor. The glitch is gone on the BD.

Moiisty said:

So what is ultimately the best version as of now

For content the LD.

For quality the 2005 DVD.

JawsTDS said:

The LaserDisc / VCD mix is the best audio source if you’re wanting something faithful to the original mix - because it is the original mix, and isn’t tweaked with like the 2005 and 2012 mono tracks.

I don’t think it was tweaked per se since the older MCA VHS copies not to mention the old MCA DiscoVision disc which I have burnt to a DVD sounds closer to the mix on the DVD/BD releases.

Yep I’ve never referred to anything as the GOUT except those 2006 DVDs.

Yes but from a quality standpoint the mono on the 2005 DVD is a tad better though it lacks some of the effects noted above that the LD has. It’s a pick and choose situation. But yeah the BD mono is inferior to both.

Would that be the same as this video??

https://youtu.be/pQDhMuKj1bY

That may likely have the replaced music during the earlier beach scene.

SilverWook said:

It took me all of two minutes to find it on youtube. I expect the price of unaltered DVD and Blu-Ray copies to skyrocket.

Good thing I got all 3 on DVD last year all together for like $15 while I still could.

Omni said:

You did though, by saying it’s been making the headlines for the last 10 years to no release. The SEs were released in Bluray, so you could only be talking about OUT. And yeah, CHEWBAKAspelledwrong has it pretty much right.

Yes but even within these last 10 years there’s been rumors of a 4K release up the wazoo. Sure they didn’t really start up til circa 2014 but nonetheless within this decade. So fine. I partially misquoted, I partially misinformed. I was wrong and I wasn’t wrong. But again my only argument was I take everything with the words ‘rumor’, ‘(unidentified) sources say’, ‘reportedly’ blah blah blah as nothing more than rumors. I’m far past the speculation stage by now with or without the OUT. Just give a confirmation already. That’s all I was saying. And again I agree 4K is the next logical step. But again as of now it’s just further unconfirmed speculation.

(Breathes in and out)

Ok we’re good. On a positive note let’s hope these ‘rumors’ come to fruition.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

crissrudd4554 said:

A rumor is a rumor. It can be trusted or not trusted. My point is I will not get hyped for anything until something is confirmed. ‘Rumor’ as far as I’m concerned means nothing because ‘Rumor of Original Trilogy reissue’ has been a headline that’s come out like once a year for like the last decade! Give a confirmation then you’ll have my attention.

The rumor isn’t OUT, it’s OT, to which I say, “Star Wars in 4K soon? No shit.”

Is 4K the next logical step? Yes.
Is it confirmed? No.

Again my point is until I see a confirmation everything is a rumor and that’s that.

And to be fair I did not say OUT.

Not to mention the screening was to compare and contrast visual effects aspects of the original trilogy era to the effects in Rogue One. Given the Special Edition only has about 30-40% of the original work intact of those present at the screening, this was likely why George needed some convincing to allow the screening of the original film.

I guess add Toy Story 2 to the list.

https://news.avclub.com/in-light-of-metoo-disney-quietly-deleted-a-blooper-1836044123

A rumor is a rumor. It can be trusted or not trusted. My point is I will not get hyped for anything until something is confirmed. ‘Rumor’ as far as I’m concerned means nothing because ‘Rumor of Original Trilogy reissue’ has been a headline that’s come out like once a year for like the last decade! Give a confirmation then you’ll have my attention.

Someone brought this up on another site and I suppose there is a good point with this. Yes it is a good sign that Lucas gave the OK for this showing but at the same time needing his ok to showing the original version publicly may still be a sign that the issue of getting the originals restored and released on video is still an issue that needs ok’ing from the former head honcho.

LordZerome1080 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I’ll say the same thing I’m sure I’ve said on at least two or three occasions. Until I see the word ‘CONFIRMED’ I take nothing with a grain of salt.

Why just a grain? Why not a whole fucking pillar?

Because unlike you, I refuse to delude myself on the subject.

I’ll say the same thing I’m sure I’ve said on at least two or three occasions. Until I see the word ‘CONFIRMED’ I take nothing with a grain of salt.

TheHutt said:

Isn’t “bitch” in “son of a bitch” in the final scene also muted down (to be suppressed by the shot) on the BluRay? Or was it just the 5.1 audio that has this?

It’s drowned out in the surround mix due to the replaced gun shot being so loud.

https://youtu.be/FpxOLhuNXfM

Also I do have captured audio files from the LD and 2005 DVD sync’d to the BD which I got from users on FanRes. Anyone needs them PM me.

I think I know what you’re talking about and yes I have noticed this before. However, I’m not sure if it’s exactly a ‘volume spike’ since the quality of the laugh seems different before and after the jump. Before the jump it seems a bit garbled, after it sounds a bit better. This may have been a mixing issue. Given I was born many years after Jaws came out and I’ve sadly only caught a showing of it in the theaters a few years ago with the surround mix, I can’t comment on what this instance was in the theatrical release. However this seems to have been a recurring instance in all the video releases including in this clip (skip to 7:06) so who knows?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gimx8kxykQ8

The 25th Anniversary DVD did not have the mono option. I’ll have to do some cross checking but I never noticed a drop in volume in that section on the mono on the 30th Anniversary DVD (that’s personally my go to version for the mono). Below are some clips. Based on what I’ve listened to over the years on various releases I’m pretty sure this is the source of these tracks.

Laserdisc

https://youtu.be/N_AIcVMStCg

30th Anniversary DVD

https://youtu.be/Bp1clW-73M4

Blu-ray

https://youtu.be/EQMZC_7KyIE

One thing I don’t really like about the LD track in this instance is the gun shot when he says ‘bitch’ lacks the punch it has in the other two examples. Just my personal opinion over what’s the best version of the mono, the LD version is a bit more definitive while IMO the track on the 30th Anniversary DVD is a bit more crisper though it has some audio issues in some spots such as audio crackle during the cage attack scene (an issue that also plagues the Blu-ray mono).

NeoMatrix said:

crissrudd4554 said:

JayArgonaut said:

For the benefit of those, such as myself who are unaware of problems with the mono tracks on DVD and Blu-ray, can you elaborate please?

https://vimeo.com/166704816

And because it’s a long vid I’ll break it down.

1. Cassidy burps at the end of the opening scene. The burp is audible on the LD while its only faintly present on the DVD and BD mono tracks. The burp is missing completely on the DVD and BD surround tracks.

2. This isn’t an issue with the BD or DVDs. Some pre-1995 video releases had different music playing in the background of the beach scene where the boy on the raft is killed. Subsequent releases have the correct music, mono and surround.

3. When Brody and Hooper cut open the Tiger Shark, the sound effects on the 2012 BD/DVD mono are a fraction of a second out of sync. The LD and 2005 DVD mono have the correct syncing.

4. When the shark tugs the Orca, the dialogue being shouted by the three leads is much clearer on the LD as well the DVD and BD surround mixes. On the mono track on the DVDs and BD the dialogue is a bit drowned out in spots.

5. When the engine overheats and explodes, the sound effect of the explosion is in the wrong pitch on the 2012 BD/DVD. The LD and 2005 DVD mono has the correct pitch.

6. When the rigging for the shark cage collapses Brody lets out a scream when the rigging lands and just misses him. The scream is audible on the LD as well as the DVD and BD surround tracks. The scream is a bit drowned out in the DVD and BD mono tracks. Additionally a shot of the shark wrecking the cage just before the rigging collapses has an odd drop in volume on the 2012 BD/DVD.

7. When Quint and Brody bring up the wrecked remains of the shark cage, Brody lets out a subtle ‘yeah’. This is heard on all but the LD.

Plus there is a sharp drop in the audio when Brody laughs at the shark’s demise

On which release??

JayArgonaut said:

For the benefit of those, such as myself who are unaware of problems with the mono tracks on DVD and Blu-ray, can you elaborate please?

https://vimeo.com/166704816

And because it’s a long vid I’ll break it down.

1. Cassidy burps at the end of the opening scene. The burp is audible on the LD while its only faintly present on the DVD and BD mono tracks. The burp is missing completely on the DVD and BD surround tracks.

2. This isn’t an issue with the BD or DVDs. Some pre-1995 video releases had different music playing in the background of the beach scene where the boy on the raft is killed. Subsequent releases have the correct music, mono and surround.

3. When Brody and Hooper cut open the Tiger Shark, the sound effects on the 2012 BD/DVD mono are a fraction of a second out of sync. The LD and 2005 DVD mono have the correct syncing.

4. When the shark tugs the Orca, the dialogue being shouted by the three leads is much clearer on the LD as well the DVD and BD surround mixes. On the mono track on the DVDs and BD the dialogue is a bit drowned out in spots.

5. When the engine overheats and explodes, the sound effect of the explosion is in the wrong pitch on the 2012 BD/DVD. The LD and 2005 DVD mono has the correct pitch.

6. When the rigging for the shark cage collapses Brody lets out a scream when the rigging lands and just misses him. The scream is audible on the LD as well as the DVD and BD surround tracks. The scream is a bit drowned out in the DVD and BD mono tracks. Additionally a shot of the shark wrecking the cage just before the rigging collapses has an odd drop in volume on the 2012 BD/DVD.

7. When Quint and Brody bring up the wrecked remains of the shark cage, Brody lets out a subtle ‘yeah’. This is heard on all but the LD.

I have the High School Reunion DVD which is basically a repackage of the first DVD release. It has the mono.