CaptainFaraday

TestingOutTheTest said:

CaptainFaraday said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

It’s already clear in the actual movie Holdo believed there was a spy, as no one in the Resistance believes that hyperspace tracking even exists.

That’s nowhere in the text of the movie. But I believe it would be easy to contextualise events so that it unequivocally reads as such, rather than one of many post-facto surmises.

It’s called an inference. It does not have to be spelled out to you.

Yes. I’m suggesting making that inference, one of many possible interpretations of the text, into the actual text itself. Leia and Holdo never talk about spies, they talk about following orders and being heroes.

To return to the key topic: has anyone hunted for any useful audio from either Dern or Fisher? Or would I be the first to go looking for this specific purpose?

Absolutely, and I don’t think it hurts to float it here as a concept.

Allow me to rephrase, cos I didn’t phrase myself well: even if Hal doesn’t personally want to use it in Ascendant, it’s something I think would be interesting in another edit, and I’d personally watch it.

TestingOutTheTest said:

It’s already clear in the actual movie Holdo believed there was a spy, as no one in the Resistance believes that hyperspace tracking even exists.

That’s nowhere in the text of the movie. But I believe it would be easy to contextualise events so that it unequivocally reads as such, rather than one of many post-facto surmises.

TestingOutTheTest said:

On the TRoS Redux Ideas thread I suggested an idea to have Palpatine be speaking in the Sith language entirely all the way until he says, “The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be… unnatural,” (that line is in English/Basic), to preserve his reveal even more and make it more surprising when he is first SHOWN to us.

Subtitles will be there, obviously.

Also have him speak in the Sith language when he is giving his entire ritual speech.

Thoughts?

There’s no reason this wouldn’t work, but it would be a lot of work to preserve a surprise everyone already knows. I’m not actually opposed to that - I think that’s the right attitude to have, that improving the current piece of media takes precedence over meta-knowledge of its surroundings. I’m not sure this would fit with the goals of Ascendant, but in another fanedit, I’d enjoy seeing that put together.

In the eternal quest to make Poe and Holdo’s subplot make thematic sense:

Dub Holdo’s “flyboys” line (it’s already a pretty obvious bit of ADR in the theatrical version) with Holdo saying they may have a spy, then back to Poe being impetuous etc.

Then, on the smaller transports, instead of Leia saying Holdo didn’t want to look like a hero (which seems unrelated to the actual events), have her point out that Poe didn’t tell Holdo about the hyperspace tracking - thus actually making what he did impetuous.

This way, the actual theme of the subplot (Poe needs to learn leadership) isn’t undercut by Holdo’s abysmal interpersonal skills and inability to inspire the people she’s leading. Instead, if Poe had just listened to what she was telling him, and more importantly had actually shared his plan with the Resistance he’s supposed to be learning to lead, things would have turned out okay for them. Lesson learned for Poe.

The challenge, of course, is finding audio of Laura Dern and Carrie Fisher that can be dubbed into those scenes as replacement lines. Maybe from another film either was in? Or a press interview/video? Even finding a soundalike as a last resort. Has anyone ever gone searching for anything like this, or is this new ground to scour?

I’d also like a link, please.

jarbear said:

I like the idea of the Sith eyes, but only have it when she does the Hissy thing. I feel like having it the whole time is a bit too much.

Also … the idea if the “real” Rey gets a super subtle yellow eye whenever she “kind of” commits to anything dark side would be interesting.

That could be a really neat addition.

Also there is some work about the dagger? Changing a bit of C3P0’s dialogue? I am so down on that if it can be accomplished. Oh my goodness. What’s the plan on it?

Right now, RogueLeader and I are figuring out a new dagger inscription for Sith-3PO to say, then I’ll have a go at recording it, and see how it goes.

CourtlyHades296 said:

As I mentioned in the PT thread, the Deutsch-Grammophon album Across the Stars has violin arrangements of Yoda’s theme, Rey’s theme, Across the Stars and Luke & Leia that could be useful in a rescored edit.

JEDIT: This is a serious suggestion

I just looked these up; I feel like Rey’s theme in particular could be of a lot of use to TROS faneditors.

Yoda’s theme is just exquisite.

This is really cool.

sherlockpotter said:

sade1212 said:

Might be neat if evil vampire Rey had the Sith eyes.

Edit: Something like this mockup; or maybe subtler. Or even more vampiric.

Then again, making vision Rey even more obviously evil just sort of reinforces the general idea that Rey isn’t actually tempted towards the dark side at all. It’d have been more compelling, in my opinion, if there was something in that “cave” that actually appealed to her in some way. Alas.

Edit 2:
EBSynth test. Unfortunately it squishes the pupils around so I’d have to do those manually, I think. Still, plausible if desired.

Hmm, personally, I think this might be a little much. BUT! I think it would work if her eyes only change for that brief moment when she goes all Bilbo/Gollum/shark on herself. Kind of like how Anakin’s eyes only turn when he’s being super-duper evil, but are normal the rest of the time (e.g. when he’s choking chatting with Padmé). I agree with your second-thought that it strips the nuance from her temptation; she’s just very obviously an evil monster now.

Plus, if it’s only a brief flash when she “submits” to the dagger, and only a brief flash later on, that would reinforce the two points, and help to ground them a little more, I think. Adds a bit of weight, like, “Oh sh-t, she’s actually falling to the Dark Side!” (Rather than, “I guess she’s already fallen.”)

+1 to this.

sade1212 said:

Might be neat if evil vampire Rey had the Sith eyes.

Edit: Something like this mockup; or maybe subtler. Or even more vampiric.

Then again, making vision Rey even more obviously evil just sort of reinforces the general idea that Rey isn’t actually tempted towards the dark side at all. It’d have been more compelling, in my opinion, if there was something in that “cave” that actually appealed to her in some way. Alas.

Edit 2:
EBSynth test. Unfortunately it squishes the pupils around so I’d have to do those manually, I think. Still, plausible if desired.

That test footage is so incredibly unnerving and I think it’s great.

Hal 9000 said:

I hit a kangaroo on the way to work while trying to eat vegemite and got hit by a boomerang when I got out of the car (on the left side of the dust road).

Hopefully it was just your mate playing funny buggers to distract you while tryna bum a durry off ya and not some bogan on ice planning to glass you.

I agree, a new line playing up another of C-3PO’s character flaws could work just as well.

I’m personally fine with Poe being an ex-spice-runner, but I can appreciate why you’d want it gone (it’s not a very good idea to begin with) and changing it as described would work well, I reckon.

Chase Adams said:

Victoria is where I’m at. NSW is gross.

But to answer your question about the C-3PO scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Vo-cNvVQI

I’m thinking of the bit where he stares at them and Poe asks what he’s doing, then he says he’s farewelling his friends.

Obviously, it’s for a very good and useful editing change, which is why I’m asking in this thread.

Does anyone have the scene of C-3PO farewelling his friends that they could send to me?

Chase Adams said:

Well that depends, I ain’t setting foot in New South Wales. (Joking!)

Chase Adams said:

Bin chickens, you say?

CaptainFaraday, you wouldn’t happen to live in Australia would you? 😮

Edit: wait I thought you phrased it “wouldn’t happen to be Australian,” now my gif doesn’t work, have this one that doesn’t play properly instead

Chase Adams said:

CaptainFaraday said:

Digitally insert trash all over the streets, open sewage lines, add insert shots of people pinching their noses when they go outdoors.

Probably belongs in the Best Edit Ideas thread, as this may actually benefit the setting.

Well, ANH was notable for being quite a grimy-looking universe, rather than the crisp and gleaming settings that were in fashion for sci-fi cinema in the 70s. Let’s make these changes to every planet visited, and add some bin chickens making a mess.

I can design some graffiti images in photoshop. I used to work as a cartoonist.

If someone sends me a script, I’ll take a crack at a Sith C-3PO.

RogueLeader said:

I like comedic 3PO too! Maybe another funny line could be played around with? I’m just iffy on this one because it make it seem like 3PO is going back on his decision to make this sacrifice.

For me, C-3PO occupies this great space between courageous and cowardly. He moans and complains and he needs constant cajoling; he suggests surrendering to the Empire when things get tough in ESB before Han switches him off, and constantly berates R2 for any suggestion of taking an active role. But at the same time, he never goes to pieces (other than literally, I suppose), and he actually does what’s needed of him - he walks up to Jabba’s Palace in ROTJ, he gets on the ship in AOTC, he bluffs to an Imperial officer on the Death Star, he walks through a blaze of stormtrooper fire on the Tantive IV.

He’s also quite vain and egotistical, but seems aware that what he’s saying is of limited use to the situations going on around him, which despite his large amount of knowledge, he’s constantly unequipped and unprepared to deal with (“Fine, go that way!”/“A transport! I’m saved!”). He’s basically a droid with anxiety, which is a great comedic device, but also a strangely compelling character concept.

Having his “final” act be a genuinely brave and heroic sacrifice, where he simultaneously starts to suggest some cockamamie plan to avoid it, is so utterly on-brand for him that it pulls my heartstrings in the exact right way.

Wait, is C-3PO actually my favourite character and I never realised it?

Also

• Add details to Kijimi to establish that it is revolting.

Digitally insert trash all over the streets, open sewage lines, add insert shots of people pinching their noses when they go outdoors.

Lol, isn’t the English language awful?

Jean-Pierre Jeunet digitally removed trash, graffiti, and grime from Paris for Amélie, just revert his changes back to his original footage and insert those shots. Simple.

Don’t remove Rey’s Fourth Line.

RogueLeader said:

Here are some of the ideas I had written down.

Some thoughts on the Kijimi sequence: Kijimi in Revolt, 3PO’s Irreversible Sacrifice, and Poe’s Past.

• Add details to Kijimi to establish that it is revolting.
• Add graffiti to one of the walls of the Kijimi streets. Rebel symbol, crossed-out stormtrooper helmet, or Luke posing like the original Star Wars poster, with lightsaber overhead.
• While they’re sneaking around, add civilian protest shouts in the distance, maybe something like, “For Skywalker!” Maybe then we could hear blaster shots or an explosion.
• When Zori says, “I’m still digging myself out of the whole you put me in when you left to join the Resistance”, cut “-to join the Resistance”, or “-when you left to join the Resistance”. This gives us more ambiguity so people can interpret the situation in different ways. 1) The canon explanation, where Poe left to join the New Republic, which he was a part of before he joined the Resistance. 2) Maybe Poe only worked as a spice runner undercover as a Republic operative, and messed up their operations during his mission.
• Or, have Zori say, “I’m still digging myself out of the whole you put me in when I left the Resistance”, which would help explain why Zori knows the “more of us” phrase that Lando uses later, implying it is some kind of Rebel phrase, and why she flies a Y-Wing at the battle of Exegol. It would also nicely parallel Finn bringing in ex-stormtroopers into the fight. Doesn’t explain why Poe used to be a spice runner, but those references could potentially be cut.
• When Rey whips out her lightsaber, add offscreen dialogue of Zori’s awestruck crew saying, “Jedi!”, or “The Jedi!” Maybe Zori and her crew just thought she was a “scavenger” at first. But when they realize she’s a Jedi, Zori becomes more willing to work with them. It gives more of a reason as to why she thinks Rey is “okay”, and why she goes from pointing a gun at Poe’s head, to helping him, in 30 seconds flat.
• If C3PO’s memory is permanently deleted, cut Finn asking if R2 backs up 3PO’s memory, and 3PO’s response, but replace 3PO’s line, “Artoo’s storage unit is notoriously unreliable” with a different line so we can keep the shot of Rey contemplating. Maybe we can push C3PO’s line, “There must be some other way” to that shot, and completely cut the shot where Finn asks about R2 backing up his memory.
• Cut 3PO saying, “I just had an idea of something else-“ before Babu turns him off. It kind of takes away a little bit from 3PO making this sacrifice. So maybe 3PO could say something like, “Tell R2 I-“ or “I have a bad feeling about-“
• Cut Poe’s line’s about no one coming at the Battle of Crait, and everyone giving up. Maybe he could just say, “I can’t turn my back on this war. Not till it’s over. Maybe it is. Everyone’s so afraid(?). They’ve given up(?).” This might take some work to get the shots and music to still flow appropriately. I’m thinking cut everything after “Maybe it is” and put that line over the shot of Zori say, “No, I don’t believe you believe that”, but either cut “No” or change her line to just “You don’t believe that.”

Making the Dagger an Ancient Artifact

• In order to make the dagger distinctly ancient, redub Red-Eyed 3PO to give a new translation of the dagger. Instead of giving the exact coordinates, the new translation instructs the wielder to hold the dagger and embrace the darkness it holds. If they accept this “test”, the dagger will show them the way.
• Cut Finn saying, “The Endor system? Isn’t that where the last war ended?” This will be pushed to later. They don’t have time to react to the translation, because the First Order shows up.
• After Rey senses the dagger on the ship, cut Poe asking why they need it, and Rey saying, “A feeling.” The new translation makes it clear that they need the dagger to find the Wayfinder.
• When Rey picks up the dagger and stares at it, she begins hearing whispers/screams and eventually sees a quick glimpse of the Death Star ruins. Kylo Ren interrupts her right after this moment. (This would tie in well to the whispers guiding her to vault on the Death Star, as Ascendant currently has it.)
• At the beginning of the scene with Rey and Finn fixing the Falcon, add a part of Finn’s earlier line, “The Endor system? Where the last war ended?” (Either sentence, both likely won’t fit). Rey continues “All that matters is finding the Wayfinder. Finding Exegol.” Adding the line here helps clarify that Rey told them about her vision of the Death Star after they regrouped, and now they are heading there.

These are all interesting ideas. Kijimi being in revolt is a really good addition in my opinion, and I especially like the Rebel graffiti one, referencing the movie poster. The Dagger changes would really improve things as well, I reckon.

I personally like 3PO having a comedic line right as he’s deactivated; the contrast works for me. It’s a funny line, but also, it reminds us that 3PO is this unintentionally funny bumbling droid we like, and now he’s gone. I’m realising I like C-3PO being comedic in TROS than most people do, though, so your mileage may vary.

Also

• Add details to Kijimi to establish that it is revolting.

Digitally insert trash all over the streets, open sewage lines, add insert shots of people pinching their noses when they go outdoors.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

“Nothing’s impossible” - Rey’s fourth line

But some things in the SW universe are canonically impossible, so to bring TROS into line with greater canon, Rey’s fourth line has to go.

We should probably move this discussion over to the Rise of Skywalker: Rey’s Fourth Line Removal discussion thread, though.

I love those soundtracks, but it does feel like one of those completely out-of-left-field suggestions that the Worst Ideas Thread is comprised of. I’m not saying it couldn’t work, though! I’d watch it.

Well, if it ain’t broke! (Edit: That sounds kind of dismissive now I read it back! I used what you wrote with minimal changes because I liked the way you phrased it. Especially the line about becoming a Dark Sider before the end of the journey.)

3PO’s infodump was in the original text, so that was a great opportunity to add the extra ideas about the forest moon. I just changed the info he subsequently dumps to yours instead.