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#153894
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Watching in order 1-6 is screwing up the original SW for newcomers!
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Lucas was right in the PT to make the saber duels "faster, more intense." than the OT. Newbies need to understand this was by design and for a good reason.


By design? Yeah, it seems logical, but weren't there "rules" for saber fightin' in the OT that were just ignored to make the PT fight scenes "faster, more intense"? i.e. holding lightsabers with two hands?

As for special effects, some CGI work just looks bad. End of story. Not just ignorant, uninformed, budding filmmakers think so. Moviegoers and film lovers in general have a valid opinion, and not everyone is misguided when daring to point it out. Jar Jar Binks is not only an awful character, but piss-poorly done. Like many bad digital effects, it looks like something out of a Playstation game gone wrong, and like you could peel it right off the screen. It's totally unnatural, and that often rips me out of the movie, and makes me ponder, as someone said earlier, the number of pixels or whatever it took to make it. Not to mention, Liam Neeson seems like he's looking at something else when he should be looking into Jar Jar's "eyes." Not that there aren't bad effects in all eras of film. But personally, more organically done bad effects irk me less than bad digital ones. And once something is done poorly in digital, it sticks out like a sore Gungan. I don't see how one could *not* think that Lucas used CG as a crutch during the PT. Look at that ridiculously busy opening of ROTS, for cripes' sake. And every damn window has to have 800 ships flying by. I guess it's always rush hour in a galaxy far, far away, huh?

I love The Frighteners, and there are a ton of great effects and shots and work put into it-- models, digital, makeup, the whole shebang. But for example, the CG "grim reaper" oily blob crawling on the ground after it was shot is pretty bad. Every time I watch it, I think, UGH.

Sure, there are people who probably think they're "experts" while picking apart every sci-fi flick. But you don't always *have* to be an expert to spot some particularly bad efx shots.
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#152655
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Prequel total rewrites...?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/152655/action/topic#152655
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I still think it would be a cool extra surprise if it was revealed in Sith that Obi-Wan was actually Luke's real father. Yeah, the OT is awesome and Darth/Luke still resonates, but it's almost like, in those movies, DARTH is Luke's father. The PT Anakin's character is such a whiny douchebag that it's a bummer to think he's Luke's dad. It would almost make more sense since Obi-Wan is 10x more noble of a character. Anakin could just *think* that he's the dad because he was with Padme, but Obi's unrequited love for Padme could've culminated in one night of bliss while Anakin was out doing bad Dark Side stuff. Or something. Crazy, I know, just some interesting speculation that I started thinking about when I saw ROTS.

With Obi-Wan and Padme having more chemistry than Padme and Anakin anyway, and if there was no OT, Obi as the pop would be neat. To me, anyway. Like, if only the audience, Obi-Wan, and Padme knew, but Anakin assumed it was his.
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#152582
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My theory on when O-OT will come (Just a theory)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/152582/action/topic#152582
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
I really hope Lucas never releases the OOT, otherwise all preservation efforts are useless


I don't think that's necessarily true. If the OOT makes it to DVD someday, it's probably safe to assume that it will still be botched (colors, music, whatever). I doubt Lucas will ever put anything out like the Classic Edition, Editious edition, etc. He doesn't seem to be much for preserving (even THX-1138 was released on DVD altered/updated).

Judging by the hack job that Lucasfilm has done on some official releases, I think it's possible that the X0 project will have taken more care to preserve than Georgie's team.
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#152576
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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/152576/action/topic#152576
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And every theatrical viewing I saw (3) that shot got one of the biggest, if not the biggest, laugh out of the audience.


What bearing does that have on an edit? Or, even on its existence in the first place? Jar Jar and his unnecessary fart jokes were supposed to be "funny", too. People laugh at a lot of stupid stuff. And movie audiences aren't exactly the best barometer of comedy. Look at all the crap that sells millions of tickets. I mean, there was a Scooby Doo 2 .
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#152560
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My theory on when O-OT will come (Just a theory)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/152560/action/topic#152560
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Originally posted by: casualimp
When at the stores yesterday looking at all the Star Wars displays, there are still a lot of OT boxsets out there for purchase. It still strikes me as odd that they're releasing another boxset in December.


That's what I thought when the news first came out, and now that it's November and there are zillions of the first box set still in every store, it makes even less sense that another release is coming.
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#152063
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other new Sith/SW DVD store exclusives
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/152063/action/topic#152063
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Just to recap the plethora of new retail DVD exclusives (that are annoyingly frequent now):
Along with the Wal-Mart The Story of Star Wars Bonus DVD, these other Sith and SW-related goodies came out on Tuesday:
[--info courtesy www.dvdfanboy.com (which contains summaries of current and upcoming bonus discs) and starwars.com]

- Best Buy : Bonus Lithograph: This Limited Edition Shepard Fairey Lithograph is free for Reward Zone Program Members only with the purchase of the Star Wars Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith DVD and/or the Star Wars Battlefront II Video Game.

- Target : Limited Edition Bonus Coin: With purchase of Revenge of the Sith DVD.

- Target : Star Wars: The Corellian Edition CD which features music from all six episodes of the Star Wars Saga and is composed and conducted by John Williams. And despite what the Target advertisements imply, this is not a separate 2-CD set. This is a single CD in a cardboard sleeve that is bundled with select copies of the Star Wars Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith CD.

- Target : Star Wait DVD: This documentary DVD features Star Wars fans waiting in line to see Star Wars Episodes II and III. This DVD is on sale exclusively at Target for $4.99.

- Wal-Mart : 3 Sith three-figure collections:
--Jedi Knights Collection (with Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Mace Windu)
--Sith Lords Collection (with Darth Vader, Emperor Palpatine and Count Dooku)
--Clone Troopers Collection (with a squadron of three Coruscantclone troopers)

(aside from similar past documentaries, wasn't something kinda close to the Star Wait DVD suggested or planned here?)
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#152056
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/152056/action/topic#152056
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Originally posted by: Commander Courage
but the difference is everyone knew there was going to be a big clone battle at the end of the film. That was a huge advertising point of AotC.


Yeah, why make Oz a mystery when you can just tell everyone, "Hey, it's not a wizard, it's a man behind a curtain!"?

If Empire came out now, guaranteed Luke/Vader would sadly be on the internet way before its release.
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#152052
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If George had only changed Special effects for the SE and DVD, would people have complained as much?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/152052/action/topic#152052
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Instead we got flipped off by one of the worst transfers in memory AND a press that sucked up to Lucas rather than calling him on the carpet for all the technical misdeeds of the official DVD.


Not helped by Lucasfilm's official statement. "Deliberate creative decision" = "denial."
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#151794
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Info: Halloween Criterion Special Edition LD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/151794/action/topic#151794
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Was the TV cut possibly full frame on the original 2-disc limited Anchor Bay release, and then widescreen when it was released separately as the Extended Edition?

Looks like there are a couple nuggets from the laserdisc not on any of the DVD's (i.e. Siskel & Ebert). Maybe an extra features collection disc would be cool. And is the LD commentary w/Jamie Lee Curtis the same as the DVD one?
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#151782
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***The Official NON-Star Wars FAN EDIT*** Release Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/151782/action/topic#151782
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That Pulp Fiction sounds very intriguing. I've always dreamed about a chronological cut, and I think I burned myself out on the theatrical version, imagining it more every time. I am currently a non-downloader and can't burn/trade DVD's now, but would love to check that take out whenever, however.

the opening prologue, which I wanted to cut as a split screen with the later scene


What a GREAT idea! Too bad it didn't work out. Would it have been WookieGroomer style?
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#151070
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Ghostbusters: We're Ready to Believe You (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/151070/action/topic#151070
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Glad to assist on this cool project. Some possible names:

Ghostbusters:
-I Love This Town
-What About the Twinkie
-Print Is Dead
-Light Is Green, Trap Is Clean
-10-Foot Cattleprod
-You Can Keep the Five Bucks

Originally posted by: Number20
Was the making of documentary "On the Scene with the Ghostbusters" included in the DVD or laserdisc releases?


I believe that *might* be the "1984 Featurette" on the DVD, but don't quote me on that.
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#151025
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Ghostbusters: We're Ready to Believe You (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/151025/action/topic#151025
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The music video *would* be great to include.

Counting the most recent DVD re-release, the theatrical trailer was left off it, as well as the production notes subtitles and the "video commentary" that had been on the previous DVD. So maybe those could be included as well (although maybe not the subtitles and vid. commentary, since the whole flick would then have to be included). And I know there are deleted scenes from Ghostbusters II, but unless someone happens to have them on a video or something, they've never seen the light of day on any release.

For reference, from Ghostbusters Laserdisc page (I tacked on the rest of the mentioned extras below it). Also, this site has some multimedia stuff for both flicks elsewhere on it (and for sale a DVD with GBII EPK and other clips), and the Ghostbusters music video (regular version, and VH1 "pop-up video" version) for download. So depending on how crazy you wanna go with it, there's a bunch o' stuff that could be included.

LASERDISC EXCLUSIVES
Materials NOT found on the DVD or in the "Making Ghostbusters" book.

Deleted Footage: The Stairway
As Ray, Egon, and Peter walk down the stairs and enter the Paranormal Studies Laboratory, they discuss who should win the Nobel Prize.
*note: I saw one other scene mentioned a couple times on other sites involving Ray and a ghost getting frisky with him while he's lying down (?)

Two Split-Screen Before & After Special Effects Comparisons:
1. Library Ghost -- The scene where Ray says "Get Her" and the ghost in the library turns gruesome.
2. Ballroom -- The scene where the Ghostbusters trap Slimer in the ballroom of the Sedgewick Hotel.

The Theatrical Teaser
A promotional teaser shown in theaters before the film itself was complete and before the final music had been recorded. It contains footage not used in the finished film (such as the original theme song).

The Original Theatrical Trailer
Even though this IS on the DVD, the one on the DVD is NOT in Letterbox and is missing the "Coming Soon to a Theatre Near You" screen at the end.

Ruth Oliver's Library Ghost Scream Test
The actress who portrayed the library ghost practicing how she will be screaming the word "Quiet" for when she transforms into the hideous ghost.

Hundreds Of Still Photos/Drawings/Storyboards:
It should be noted that all of the laserdisc's still frames (photos, drawings, etc.) are full-screen and of higher resolution than the DVD's still frames (which are shown on a very small portion of the screen).
* Several "Special Effects" Photos/Drawings -- such as the effects crew group shot, the Real Ghostbusters "Slimer" pics (such as this one), one or two of the building of the Shandor Building pics, probably more.
* Several "Stay Puft Marshmallow Man" Photos/Drawings -- such as a few of the Stay Puft drawings, and a few of the production photos, maybe more.
* Several storyboard sequences -- such as a storyboard shot of the library ghost, a couple shots after the "Dogs Drag Dana" sequence (objects in her kitchen fly across the room and stick to her icebox)
* A few frames of textual trivia -- some facts not really found elsewhere)

DVD Features and Other Extras:
- Full Screen Theatrical trailer on 1st DVD release
- Ghostbusters II Theatrical trailer on 1st DVD release
- The trivia subtitle track from 1st DVD release (?)
- Video Commentary from 1st DVD release (?)
- Ghostbusters- Ray Parker, Jr. video
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#151018
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Idea: for an edit of Batman Begins
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/151018/action/topic#151018
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Editing Begins to relate to the previous Batman movies is silly (sorta like tailoring the OT to fit the PT)-- there isn't even a Jack Napier character in the comics, and the Joker didn't kill Bruce Wayne's parents anyway. "Joe Chill" DID originally kill his parents in the comics, but they changed that in early '90's (I believe) to an anonymous killer (or "no-name bum") to make Batman's quest make more sense (he'll never find or catch the killer), and for his fight against crime to be more focused than always be shadowed by an ongoing revenge for something that happened in the 1940's (real time)-- a change which I actually like.

Of course Begins is substantially better than Schumacher's crap (Forever gets too much credit, and it's more stinker than winner)-- but that wasn't gonna be hard to pull off, and I think as "better" as this flick was, it was overpraised by a lot of people because the last one was just so bad in comparison. As a Batgeek, I thought it was a good but not great movie. The suit was cool, and its origin was very well done. The Scarecrowe was a good, if slightly underdeveloped villain (a little too Joker-esque near the end, though). Michael Caine made a suprisingly wonderful Alfred, as did Gary Oldman=Gordon, and Morgan Freeman was a good, if kind of pointless gadget man (Batman didn't used to get his stuff from Q or M, but whatever, it worked).

Bale was not bad, but not all that great. Any number of current, random, similarly aged actors would've done as serviceable of a job. It doesn't help that once again, Bruce Wayne wasn't given all that much to do (only a couple neat scenes), and few chances to actually be a detective. The training sequence was overlong, and the sight of a bearded Wayne is laughable (I may be wrong, but in 60 years of comics, he rarely, if EVER had a beard). Plus, Bruce Wayne trained himself to be a fighter and detective, not under the tutelage of some mysterious guru in Tibet or whatever. The Wayne parents murder *was* done poorly, and the father stuff was overly soap-operatic/melodramatic. The childhood stuff with the little girl was garbage. The Joe Chill angle was blah (and why remake that portion if it was already filmed previously?)-- and Bruce Wayne contemplating shooting him was ridiculously out of character. Katie Holmes' character was a waste of space, and yet another excuse to give Bruce a "love interest", when Batman is probably comics' loneliest superhero (rightfully so). The Batmobile tank car was an ugly joke, I don't care how "practical" it was-- the Batmobile is one of the coolest and most iconic images (even in its many incarnations), and to take all the design and style and visual flair out of it is just sad. The fight scenes, which are the money shots in a Batman flick, were piss-poorly shot, and super-zoomed-in so you could barely make out what was going on (why?). For the ever-dumbed-down audience of the masses, the constant reminders that Bruce feels guilty about his pops (but apparently, not his mom?), and that Gotham is a cesspool of crime were annoying-- okay, I GET it. Gotham itself (apparently just Chicago with some CGI assistance) lacks the comic-book grandeur of Burton's sets and films-- it wasn't as much of a character as it was before. Batman letting Ras meet his doom was out of character (so was him letting the Joker croak, but that doesn't make it any less inappropriate here). The sequel set-up was kinda cheeseball-- if Bats ain't dead, of course he lives to fight another villain another day. Show that symbol and fade out.

Okay, so I'm nitpicky. As flawed as Burton's '89 Batman was itself, it was more of a unique, cinematic vision and the merging of his weird style with the Bat motif still holds up well to me. A lot of things were sort of left for you to figure out, and it was more atmospheric, instead of beating you over the head with the plot, and Bruce's plight. I don't think Begins captures the character's essence any better than Burton's attempts. Actually, I think pound for pound, the animated Batflicks are better overall movies (esp. Mask of the Phantasm and Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker). I just think, as much of an improvement over the previous drivel of Batman & Robin of course Begins was, it still missed the mark enough for me that I wasn't that satisfied.

I'd love to see an edit addressing the things I mentioned. [I mean, why edit it if you're not gonna tinker?] But right now, that's for some industrious, would-be editor with the necessary equipment to decide, and for me to ponder. Or make a rough, Macrovision-laden edit of.
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#151005
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Revenge of the Sith DVD EASTER EGG
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/151005/action/topic#151005
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Originally posted by: none
Why would LFL want to contaminate the official release of the last installment of a galaxy far far away with some soon to be forgotten pop tune video.... sad.

For the same reason Disney insists on ruining its releases of old classic movies with crap like songs performed by modern pop artists.

Originally posted by: JackLucas
I'll be waiting until the Hollywood Video 5 for $20 bin on this POS.


I was thinking the same exact thing. Blockbuster now even lets you rent something, and then buy the same copy like 2 weeks later. I don't think I paid full retail price for the prequels so far. Why start now?