AuggieBenDoggie said:Ady, if you don't need my help just let me know.
didn't you get my PM?
for those that aren't happy with my decision to remove the refinery well i just couldn't resist doing this. The refinery always reminded me of something when i watched it spinning in the clouds and i couldn't figure out what it was, until now. now hopefully you'll all get this image stuck in your mind when you think of the refinery and never ask about me putting it back in ever again. lol
:)
doubleofive said:Speaking of Force Ghost Obi-Wan, what did you decide about this scene
i've fixed the size problem and have him standing behind the stump and at a more realistic size.
corellian77 said:Ady, how's the wampa coming (if at all)? How much of the creature are you intending to make? And are you hoping to replace ALL previous wampa shots with your model?
i'm still in the designing stages at the moment. I hopefully have most of the materials i need for the wampa now. I'm replacing every shot that you see the wampas face and even maybe the arm too. i really want to make an atriculated hand that will open and close to give it more life. So i will be building a new head & shoulders and maybe a full arm.
dark_jedi said:I have the same damn problem,I have been trying to change my avatar to and cannot,and I am within the pixel range and below 5 kbs,so I just gave up.
i was having problems changing my avatar but i figured out what the problem was. I'm using firefox and everytime i uploaded a new avatar the old one would show up. Then i cleared my cache and up popped the new avatar.
hope this helps
ben_danger said:is there a set date for the trailer? or is it just may (excited!)
May 21st. ESB's original release date 29 years ago
AxiaEuxine said:I think the Cloud-Car flyby and leaving in the gas refinery would be ideal. It only makes sense that the refinery would be there, it is a Tibanna gas mine after all.
i have stated all the reasons why it won't be included, as have others. i'm not going to comment on this subject any more.
oh yeh. i've also added the "jedi ghost" glow to the scene where Obi-Wan appears to Luke on Hoth.
Sluggo said:Sevb, maybe you could stop using Ady's logo on your own mock-ups.
yeh i would be grateful if anyone that uses my screengrabs for mockups can please remove the logo first
well i finally finished all the wampa cave shots today (minus the wampa of course). i've managed to fix the continuity errors of Luke's legs being spread apart one minute then together the next and the lightsabre is now partially buried to match the shots when he uses the force to retrieve it. again one minute its fully on show then the next shot its half buried.
doubleofive said:Question: Should Cloud City cast a shadow on the clouds when seen from a particular angle? Something to think about.
no it shouldn't . as you will see when the shot is moving the foreground clouds are quite a distance from the city. its hard to explain really so you'll just have to wait for the trailer to see what i mean. lol
Sevb32 said:Then why didn't you try making it look "BETTER COMPOSITED" with all your skills?
why the hell should i make it look better composited when i have said i prefer the way the shot was originally in the OUT?
as sketchrob pointed out making the refinery smaller and placing it lower in the frame, where it would need to go if it were to be include, throws out the whole perspective. In fact the perspective was out in the SE. i can't recomposite something that has a portion of it missing due to a badly composited blend into the clouds. The refinery is gone and will not return.
Thanks for posting the comparison shots 005. it really does show just how bad the colouring is in the GOUT
i've done a bit of tweaking to the latest preview shot, so here is the final version
Sevb32 said:Ripplin said:^Who said it was hated? Lots here like it. I seem to remember Ady saying he liked it, too. Or at least sort of liked it.
In Post 8642 Ady says he's always hated it. Why? I don't know.
i hated it because it looked so out of place in that shot. its so badly composited and the original pod car was so much better. It always stuck out like a sore thumb to me.
Husker said:Thanks Ripplin!Wish I had more free time to work on that kind of stuff.
Ady, I already sent you an email. Don't know why I thought waiting for a PM was a good idea, LOL and I already downloaded the models so we're good to go!
:D
Just got your email, thanks. Its a little to late for me to reply (almost 5am here) but i'll reply tomorrow and send you the clip so you can see what i am after.
AuggieBenDoggie said:Ady, I have Maya, and can animate ships. If i could get a hold of a model thats maya friendly I could see what I could do.
It doesn't look like any are Maya friendly, but here is the link to the models over at SCI-FI3D
http://www.scifi3d.com/list.asp?intGenreID=10&intCatID=32
Husker said:adywan said:i can't reproduce this with a model so i desperately need someone who can recreate the pod car using CG.
I can and will help you with this, Ady. Just send me the details in a PM and I'll send you my email address so we can tlk further about what you want/need.
:)
thanks, i'll send you a PM tomorrow when i get a bit more time to write down the details of what i need.
Erikstormtrooper said:adywan said:i did start a thread to try and ask someone from the SCI-FI3D site but the forums have moved over to TFN and my thread was deleted almost as soon as it was posted. I guess they don't like me messing with Lucas' work over there.
That is the saddest, lamest crap I've heard in a long time. And I've been dealing with a lot of crap lately.
Can your CG guy from Episode IV help you out with this?
i have tried to contact him a couple of times lately but i haven't heard anything back from him. I'm just hoping he is using the same email address. They have a couple of great CG models over at SCI-FI3D of the pod cars too. unfortunately the best one hasn't got any pilots in it.
vaderios said:ImperialFighter said:However, I'm so conflicted..... The city itself looks terrific, and definately an improvement compared to the SE (and GOUT) versions. But while the clouds look great too (and I'm sure will have a nice 'motion' to them), I really liked seeing the long 'stem' in this shot previously (which was a really great design element of the floating city), which has now been obscured by some of the new cloud pattern. I also liked the overall composition of the previous original shots because of the 'foreground' cloud bank on the left of the frame, which gave some real depth to the scene.
Yeah. A slight movement/variation (turbulance noise or whatever) will give more life/.
-Angel
oh there's a lot of movement in that shot. i have used video footage of flying through clouds. No more artificial 2d movement like in the SE
the only thing is that this new shot is in danger of being omitted from the finished movie. I hated the gas refinery they added for the SE and always preferred the cloud car fly-by. now the problem i'm having is that i am having to use the cloud car from the GOUT and, as we all know, the quality of that sucks ass big time. even with loads of filters applied it looks crap. i can't reproduce this with a model so i desperately need someone who can recreate the pod car using CG. i did start a thread to try and ask someone from the SCI-FI3D site but the forums have moved over to TFN and my thread was deleted almost as soon as it was posted. I guess they don't like me messing with Lucas' work over there.
ImperialFighter said:And Thursday has come round again, yay! Looking forward to the latest preview shot. :)
and here it is........
Jedi Dark Knight said:adywan said: Adding a display of any kind for this scene would be a case of "adding it just because you can".
you pretty much checkmate-ed me there man....ok, since the idea is precisely not fall into tweaks and changes just because you can then ok.....
And that is why the design in the OT is so much better than the PT. Things seem more functional in the OT and the design elements made it look like a different time. Now look at the Pt and everything is just so flashy yet a lot of it looks like elements from today's society. Just because the falcon design was around in the PT era doesn't mean that it should have all the fancy displays we see. Look at today's cars for instance. there are so many varying features you can get with a car depending upon how much you are prepared to pay. The one thing i really want to do when i get to the PT is downgrade a lot of the technology and design. yeh, i can imagine that the queen of naboo would have a very expensive craft with the latest tech but other ships & environment do need the downgrade (which they actually did a bit for the jedi starfighter in ROTS)
Just as a side note just because something has buttons and switches doesn't mean it's more functional, but rather it's less sophisticated. A lot of it looks like elements from today's society? back in the seventies everything looked like the Falcon: switched and buttons, technology has advanced to the point you don't have to have a dashboard with fixed buttons, but rather it can reconfigure to the situation in a nice touchscreen. You put the example of the Jedi fighter and that ship still has a lot of screens.
Corellian77: your comment seems to forget that back in the day everytime you wanted to show sci-fi/futuristic stuff you strapped a jetpack into the hero and there you go, same with flying cars, and same with a lot of things, it's because those things speak to us of future, holograms are futuristic because they are not yet here, but buttons and switches? they are here since waaaay back, it actually makes things look old and dated and unrealistic now, and the key is "now". Back in 1977 star wars looked futuristic, now? the ships don't. I don't want to start the debate like Josh put it, but if we are not here to debate about certain things then what? if these days something speaks of future tech is touch screens since we all know that CRT screens are old and out. it's just the way it works, look at other sci-fi movies from the day, before star wars and you'll see old looking things.....with buttons and switches.
I think the motto: "don't change something just because you can" is a good one, but let's not stay away from screens "just because.."
The thing i was trying to get across is that in the Ot the designers and set builders did a great job making things look like they didn't come from our time and universe even with the limitations of what stuff could be used, whereas the PT many things look like we actually could have these things on your desktop PC or car etc. I don't think that any of the sets in the OT look dated at all. from a design point of view they work perfectly. you have to remember a few words that start the movie...."a long time ago......" . everything in the OT universe had that lived in look which went against the grain of usual sci-fi. The PT could have been any old or modern day sci-fi using character names from Star Wars. The PT will date a lot worse than the OT ever will. All the buttons and switches gave the sets character which most of the PT sets sorely lacked.
I remember when i was a kid and i always wanted to redecorate the rooms in my house into sets from the movies. i actually still would love to do something like that now. But there isn't a single set piece in the whole PT (accept fro reused sets from the OT like the stardestroyer bridge or the Tantive IV etc) that i would even want to recreate. i found that kinda sad. The whole design element in the PT is very forgettable
Octorox said:As someone who uses my ipod touch everyday, I think the PT starfighters seem a lot easier to use. I wouldn't know where to start with the Falcon, the PT ships probably have a step by step set-up wizard and nifty one-touch autopilot. :)
and there is the problem. wasn't Anakin supposed to be a great pilot but if everything is so easy to pilot then that means anyone could pilot a starship. the OT ships all looked like you would have to actually learn how to fly them and not rely on a computer and idiot proof interface to do all the work for you.
Jedi Dark Knight said:Consistency is great, have the ships in the OT equipped with the touchscreens whenever is right would be wonderfull, that way they look like advanced spacecraft from another time and not like a Boeing 737
no ships will have touch screens in the Revisited OT. From a design point of view the PT should be changed to fit in with the OT and not the other way around.
doubleofive said:Figured you'd say that, Ady. Oh well, someone else can use it. Davnes, you can post it to the Wishlist thread for other people to be inspired by.
So, Ady, any comment on my translations?
i was editing my post above just as you posted yours. lol
corellian77 said:Davnes007, like everyone else, I think you did a great job on that clip. How you managed to whip that up in one night I don't know. With some of the refinements mentioned (i.e., smaller text, different colouring, juggling the placement of the images and text, etc.) it could work.
However, for the purposes of ESB:R, I'm not sure it'd be a good addition. Although pop-up HUD displays look OK in the PT ships, I ultimately think it would be out of place in the Falcon, whose instrumentation is very rudimentary and consists of physical parts (buttons, switches, etc.), just like all the other ships in the OT.
Even though it was fun to see the mock-up i have to agree with what corellian77 said. The Falcon is a "heap of junk". adding HUD displays just doesn't fit with its character. Adding any sort of display is getting too close to PT territory (where every detail seems to have to either be explained or shown) for me. Its obvious they are looking at the display but do we need to see it? i say not. The focus is supposed to be on the interaction between Han & Leia. Adding a display of any kind for this scene would be a case of "adding it just because you can".
Jedi Dark Knight said:I think one of the reasons the OT looks dated now is what precisely corellian77 pointed out: most of the OT ships have their cockpit full of knobs, switches and buttons, while most of the PT ships boast touchscreens, a middle ground must be found otherwise it makes the OT seem dated, not just by PT standards, but by any movie nowadays......nothing wrong with pop-up holos or nice screens, as long as they don't become too obvious, it would enhance the experience (ANH:R rebel war room anyone?) Let's take into consider how much an X-wing with screen similar to the Jedi-Fighter would gain in terms of giving a perspective of what the pilot saw. same with MF, furthermore with MF since that ships HAS been around since the time of the PT (EP 3 shows it) so it's only natural that MF would have touchscreens and all.....
And that is why the design in the OT is so much better than the PT. Things seem more functional in the OT and the design elements made it look like a different time. Now look at the Pt and everything is just so flashy yet a lot of it looks like elements from today's society. Just because the falcon design was around in the PT era doesn't mean that it should have all the fancy displays we see. Look at today's cars for instance. there are so many varying features you can get with a car depending upon how much you are prepared to pay. The one thing i really want to do when i get to the PT is downgrade a lot of the technology and design. yeh, i can imagine that the queen of naboo would have a very expensive craft with the latest tech but other ships & environment do need the downgrade (which they actually did a bit for the jedi starfighter in ROTS)
and 005, good work on the translation. i can't remember exactly what i wrote on the rebel briefing displays but i'm pretty sure it was lines of dialogue from the movies
to be honest i would't recommend using Vegas to render an mpeg for dvd. Vegas uses the main concept mpeg encoder and it isn't all that good. it seems to soften the image and its bitrate handling isn't all that great. Your best bet is to render out your finished project to a lossless avi (lagaryth codec works best with vegas) then use Procoder 3 to render the mpeg for the DVD. you can import presets into procoder and i could always give you my settings that i used for ANH:R if you needed them.
doubleofive said:adywan said:doubleofive said:rcb said:has anyone noticed that when luke's in his ship and R2's talking and the dialogue shows up on his translator, u can't read it? i know Vaderios did a naboo mock up of it, but can we fix it so we know wat R2 is saying?
That was the first thing I ever suggested on this thread. Ady says that he will be stabilizing the text, but I'm sure he'll also give us an actual translation. Which means that someone has to come up with lines for R2-D2.
i've already redone the readout for R2's lines using the basic font. There is now a real conversation going on but i'll leave that up to someone else to translate cuz i'm keeping that secret. its more fun that way. lol
Yay! I went through ANHR once and translated all of the text to english. This time, I hope its more than your kids' names over and over again. ;-)
Are you sure you translated it correctly? i only put my kids names in there a couple of times. there was lots of other things in there too, mainly silly stuff, but i knew that someone would try and translate the text so i thought i'd have a little fun. lol
no, there will be no subtitles for the R2 translation. You'll all have to figure out what R2 is saying on the readout for yourselves. lol
doubleofive said:rcb said:has anyone noticed that when luke's in his ship and R2's talking and the dialogue shows up on his translator, u can't read it? i know Vaderios did a naboo mock up of it, but can we fix it so we know wat R2 is saying?
That was the first thing I ever suggested on this thread. Ady says that he will be stabilizing the text, but I'm sure he'll also give us an actual translation. Which means that someone has to come up with lines for R2-D2.
i've already redone the readout for R2's lines using the basic font. There is now a real conversation going on but i'll leave that up to someone else to translate cuz i'm keeping that secret. its more fun that way. lol
it sounds like your messing up the framerate conversion somewhere along the line.
ok. heres a quick run through.
open up the demuxed ac3 audio from the 24fps original in besweet. now change the framerate from 24fps to 25fps exactly as in the screencap below
now click on the AC3 & OGG tab in besweet ,marked with the arrow in the screencap below., and change the bitrate to 640
now export your AC3
next convert the AC3 from 25fps to 23.976fps using eac3to.
once that is finished import the demuxed video file and AC3 into TSMuxer. make sure you click on the video stream and change the framerate to 2400/1. now before you create the new blu-ray folders you want to create a sample to test for sync. click on the "split & cut" tab and tick enable cutting . input the start time to about 100m and end time to about 105min (you can change these to whatever you want but towards the end of the movie will give you a good idea of the sync)
now check your sample. if this is in sync then you are good to go. if possible check on the media player you will be watching it on instead of using a pc player because sometimes sync goes out in a software pc player even though there is no sync problems with the file.
Kurtyboy said:Well, the 24->25FPS then 25->23.976FPS slowdown almost worked. The sound is still running slightly too slow but the delay in the death star explosion is only 8 seconds now.
Maybe converting from 24 to 25 in besweet and then 25 to 24 in eac3to might work?
thats what i said to do. don't use eac3to to convert from 24 to 25fps because it will only do 23.976 to 25fps (they call it 2400/1 which is 23.976 and not true 24fps.) you need to do the 24fps to 25fps in besweet first
you did make sure to change the framerate in tsmuxer of the video to 2400/1 from 24fps didn't you? because that would account for the slight delay now is the video was still running at its 24fps framerate but using eac3to to do the first step of the framerate conversion would also account for the sync problems