WitchDR

I gotta say after this episode, you may be able to just remove the Pershing stuff altogether as well. Did he really add anything? Most his scenes involved the awful New Rebuplic and everything with him and Kane don’t appear to be going anywhere. Kane felt more like she was there just to reintroduce Gideon back to the plot.

Hopefully next episode we will see something that made all their scenes worth the time spent with them. But I’m kind of doubting it.

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StarkillerAG said:

But what if you think Rey was already a good character? I certainly did, at least until the whole “you are a Palpatine” fiasco. But I feel like a major goal of this movie is to rationalize and streamline some of the messiness of TROS, bringing the sequels’ reception back to the mostly-positive outlook pre-2019.

Remember, both TFA and TLJ had a more than 90% positive critical reception, and I feel like the audience score would look the same way if sequel hate wasn’t weaponized during the Trump-era culture wars. People liked the sequels before TROS, Disney just needs to figure out how to make people like them again.

For one I wouldn’t take payed critics opinions seriously and second - this “Trump-era” culture war you speak of, I don’t think has anything to do with it. What happened is TLJ came out an completely destroyed Luke Skywalker. And people were pissed. You can try to blame outrage culture channels on Youtube for this. But the whole reason they ever rose to stardom in the first place is BECAUSE people were going to these sites to see if people felt the same way they did after leaving the theater from TLJ.

The only reason TFA was so positive is because it was a new mainline Star Wars movie after 15 years of none. And once that high wore off and TLJ came out, people looked at it far more critically. And it especially didn’t help that the movie itself was horrible.

I’d love if this movie was great, but the damage is already done. I’d love to be excited for Star Wars again, but between the OT characters treatment and their bland replacements, it’s too late. Hey if you love these movies and Rey in general that’s cool. I’m happy you and some people found enjoyment out of them. But can we please stop equating “sequel hate” to some kind of “right wing” movement? It’s honestly tiresome… Peoples politics have absolutely nothing to do with how people felt about these movies.

It is truly depressing…

To me the Post-OT novels are the best era of Star Wars. Yeah there are a handful of duds, but even the stuff before the more exciting Thrawn trilogy and beyond is great.

People are really missing out on stuff like Truce at Bakura, Courtship of Priness Leia, and Tatoonie Ghost. All far more exciting than anything Disney has ever put out.

Every idea that Disney has stolen from the EU was done far better in the EU.

Mocata said:

If it really happens that’d be one thing, but if it’s a success that’s something else. Adding more layers to
‘somehow Palpatine returned’ is the whole end game of the current TV glut after all. People should be annoyed but Daisy walked out on stage and everyone clapped like a bunch of seals so…

It baffles me honestly. I have to imagine most of those people aren’t EU fans whatsoever. Since just the idea of them robbing Luke of everything he worked for just to hand it to their boring as a blank of wood character known as Rey, is such a disgrace to everything the OT built and the EU expanded on.

This movie signifies to me, that this company hasn’t learned a thing. Continuing with anything sequel’s related is going to be the nail in the coffin for this franchise. These movies won’t be beloved over time like the prequels became, I can guarantee that. The prequels may have had bad CGI and dialogue, but it still had heart and plot. The sequels have ZERO heart and weren’t made with any sort of passion. They themselves have admitted to winging the whole trilogy.

They are going to attempt to fix their abomination of a trilogy with the Mandoverse, like they think the Clone Wars did for the prequels. But the Clone Wars didn’t FIX the prequels, it just added more layers. You can’t fix how they robbed the original trilogy cast of everything they had in the sequels. No show can fix that damage. Sorry, it isn’t going to happen. And I hope this thing completely bombs so they have to finally either sell this franchise off to somebody who actually cares about it.

I love Rebels, but I’m getting Kenobi-vibes from this. I’m hoping this is decent, but seeing how the Mandoverse is a sinking ship at this point, this isn’t giving me much hope.

I just want a good conclusion to Ezra and Thrawn. It’s the only open thread I’m still interested in.

Servii said:

Yeah, pretty much. The Mangold film is the only one of these that I’m mildly interested in. And even then, I’m still concerned about it.

I am surprised that they’re doing movies set so far apart in the timeline, though. All this timeline jumping could be confusing for casual viewers.

Oh I’m sure they’ll ruin that timeline too. I’m only mildly interested in the possibility of it being decent, but won’t hold my breath. I’d be excited in Filoni’s, but seeing that they are actually moving forward with the sequel timeline, means the Mandoverse content all leads to the abysmal sequels, which has made all of it irrelevant to me.

Hopefully it’s disconnected enough to be faneditted with no connection to the sequels. That’s the only positive I can see coming from it.

Seeing that they’ve decided to move forward with the sequel timeline really has sunk all my excitement for the future post-OT. They really are gonna connect the Mandoverse to the sequels, aren’t they? Ughhhh… This company never learns any lessons and I don’t think they are capable of making a single good decision.

Couldn’t care any less for Rey, and honestly hoping this one gets the “cancelled” treatment. Sorry Disney, but rebuilding the New Jedi Order is and always will be Luke’s journey, and the fact you ripped that achievement from him to give it to your mediocre character, is an even bigger slap in the face and makes me hate the character even more.

At least there’s the James Mangold movie to look forward to. I love the Dawn of the Jedi comics, so hopefully they are using elements from that.

The problem is the fact that there’s only 8 episodes. An episode like this would be “fine” if we got 12 to 16 episodes like the cartoons or Andor get. But when we’re only getting 8 episodes… it feels like a waste to do episodes like this.

It especially doesn’t help when barely anything has happened in the 6 out of 8 episodes we’ve gotten this season.

Yes, please remove that awful Romeo and Juliet scene. I think Bo and Din arriving on the planet and them meeting up with the other Mandos is all that’s worth keeping from this episode. Everything else belongs in the bin.

Anjohan said:

This is the worst Star Wars content and worst storytelling i´ve witnessed for years. No excuses.

Pedro should leave this shitshow befare they put Din Djarin through a gender swapping operation and retcon his story to reveal that the true hero of his story is in fact Mon Mothma.

The cringe om this episode. The Voice acting. The effects. The cinematography. The storytelling. THE DIALOGUE! The new characters! E V E R Y T H I N G was totally and utterly a complete failure. They even retconned Din Djarins path to save Mandalore that was heavily hinted at in season 2 and shifted it to a vague side character because… what? Shes fucking female? Star wars is dying.

I couldn’t agree more lol.

I sent a PM, can’t wait to check out Chapter 1!

Good thing you’ve got the Book of Boba Fett content to push up the runtime, cause holy moly is this season a trainwreck. Everything that’s happened could have been condensed to 2 episodes of a season MAX.

Mando has officially entered the “requires-a-fanedit-to-be-watchable” territory. Everything that’s happened this season could have been cut down to 2 episodes MAX. There’s only like 5-10 minutes worth of decent content in every episode.

This season is giving Book of Boba Fett a run for it’s money. It’s honestly embarrassing.

I’ve always loved The Orville, but found that a lot of the time the jokes either land really flat or drag on way too long (a MacFarlane specialty!). Season 1 was really bad in this department, being really ham-fisted with a joke every scene. Where-as Season 2 found a far better balance, and Season 3 going even further in removing a lot of the humor altogether.

My main goal is to tone down a lot of the “Family Guy-esque” humor from the first two seasons. This does not mean ALL the humor is gone, just a good chunk of it. Season 1 will definitely have the most cuts, while Season 2 will be far more minor.

Included are “Lossless” releases and smaller “Storage-friendly” releases for all episodes.

WOW! Glad to see this revived as well! This was an edit I was really looking forward to!

I’ve always felt this show could be far more heavily edited than other edits I’ve seen. Even though it’s still in it’s infancy, this show is one that could be taken to a whole new level with changing dialogue with new A.I. voice lines. The shows consist of so many lip-flapping puppets and helmeted characters, it just seems ripe for something like that.

It’s not something you’ve listed you’d do, just something other edits haven’t taken advantage of when doing radical changes to the plot. Even though just a change in a line or two could trim so very much.

Anyways, your edit sounds like a fun new way to experience the shows! Can’t wait to check it out! 😄

The cartoons have been the most consistently good visual medium of Star Wars since the OT.

I would take Clone Wars, Rebels, and Bad Batch over Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett, and Obi-Wan any day. Andor is the only live-action show to me, that has reached the level of quality the cartoons have set.

PsyGemini said:

If this whole “New Republic buried in bureaucracy and being eaten from the inside without even noticing it” ends up directly leading to the First Order, then this whole Coruscant plot is gonna be harsh to edit out of any edits.

Anyways, I really don’t like the way they are portraying the New Republic as stereotypical incompetent clueless morons, but oh well, ever since TFA, can’t say that’s surprising.

I 100% agree. They have to make the New Republic this awful just to justify the mess they were written as in the Sequels. It’s honestly a shame, since it feels like it all just undermines the OT.

I know it won’t be possible by the end of this, but I’d honestly like to see most of this incompetent New Republic edited out…

This stuffs rough being an EU fan.

jedi_bendu said:

WitchDR said:

Episode sucked. But at least this was a good cameo.

The Mandalorian in a nutshell?

I have to give them credit for leaning less into beloved character appearances this season than they did in season 2. And obviously no one will be surprised that I loved seeing Zeb again. He looks great in live action and I agree it’s a massive relief they didn’t try him with a practical effect. I love the magic of practical effects but sometimes they won’t quite cut it.

I love practical as well. But I think they’ve leaned way too heavily into it. There needs to be balance, some of these aliens would never look good with practical effects.

They also kept Zeb’s eyes correct! After seeing Jaro Tapal with his uncanny human eyes in Jedi Fallen Order, I thought for sure that every live action Lasat would ditch the green eyes. Glad to see they kept it the same as it was originally established in Rebels. It looks so much better!

Episode sucked. But at least this was a good cameo.

And THANK GOD he was CGI. I was waiting for some awful practical effect Zeb akin to how Bane was handled.

The damage done by the sequel trilogy has made them hesitant to do anything. The only direction they can go is backwards or so far in the future that there is no connectivity to the sequels.

I’d much rather them continue the show route, even though they have been hit or miss, they have a much better batting average than their movies. Only decent one is Rogue One, the rest are better left behind.

If they go forward with something Rey or any sequel trilogy related character movies, they’ll most likely bomb or barely make them back the money they spend on it. Didn’t we see decline in revenue as each movie came out? That decline would only continue if they moved forward with the sequel timeline.

They’ve mostly avoided the sequel trilogy since, and even though the Mandoverse seems to be moving in the direction of possibly connecting to the sequels, we’ll have to wait and see. If they decide to connect Mandoverse to the Sequels, it’ll only sink everything the Mandoverse has built.

Everything that’s happened in these first 4 episodes could have easily been condensed to a 2 episode premiere. And even 2 episodes I feel is being slightly generous.

This is shaping up to be one of the easiest of the movie edits thus far. Every episode feels about 15 to 20 minutes longer than they need to be. Probably only about an hour or so of content that needs to be kept out of all four of these episodes combined.

Honestly, having the beginning be the Luke centric BOBF content like you have it now, might end up helping it get to a reasonable runtime lol.