I think it’s just a coincidence. Those themes aren’t at all similar unless you’re looking for similarities. There’s much more evidence that there was no plan for this trilogy, which is one of the trilogy’s main problems in my opinion.
Some ideas I have for editing this movie:
-Rewrite the opening crawl to remove overt mentions of Palpatine, making his return feel less abrupt.
-Cut Snoke clones in a lobster tank. It makes no sense.
-Cut lightspeed skipping. It breaks the rules of hyperspace travel, and it feels contrived.
-Trim Rey and Poe’s argument to remove mention of lightspeed skipping.
-If there is any deleted material that could pad out the first act, I’d really like to add it.
-Cut the little alien asking Rey’s name, for continuity with later changes.
-Cut “They fly now.” It’s really dumb.
-Cut the heroes encountering a big snake, and Rey healing it.
-Cut all uses of Force healing throughout the movie. It creates a huge plot hole if you can use the Force to resurrect people.
-Cut Rey seemingly killing Chewie. He turns out to be alive a few minutes later, so it feels pointless.
-Remove fakeout deaths throughout the movie. Actions must have consequences.
-Trim the scenes immediately afterward to remove mention of Chewie’s apparent death.
-Trim Zorii as much as possible, removing all romantic implications with Poe.
-Trim the Force bond lightsaber duel to remove Kylo saying that Rey’s parents weren’t actually drunkards.
-Remove Rey Palpatine completely, preserving TLJ’s plot twist.
-Cut Rey aligning the dagger with the Death Star wreckage. It feels contrived, especially when the dagger was created 20 years ago.
-Cut Rey healing Kylo on the Death Star, for reasons stated above.
-Cut the Final Order destroying Kijimi, along with the idea that every ship has a mini Death Star.
-Cut R2 restoring 3PO’s memory. Actions must have consequences.
-Cut Palpatine saying he never wanted Rey dead. It doesn’t mesh with the rest of the movie.
-Cut Zorii showing up in the final battle. Even without Kijimi being destroyed it feels contrived.
-Cut Ben climbing out of the pit and healing Rey, for reasons stated above.
-Trim the victory celebration to remove Maz giving Chewie a medal, Lando acting creepy to Jannah, and Poe’s interaction with Zorii.
-Cut Rey returning to Tatooine, ending the movie with the group hug. It’s a far better ending, and it doesn’t reuse the end music from TFA.
Those are just the ideas I have right now. If I have any more I’ll post them.
I agree with all the proposed changes, as long as you keep version 3.0 available. That way you have a purist version for people who prefer only minor changes, and a radical version for people who prefer radical changes.
Are there any specific changes you personally would want omitted from a single ‘desert island’ version?
If I could only have one version, here’s what I’d omit from the version 4.0 change-list:
-Remove Palpatine telling Rey to find him. It creates the expectation that Rey will search for Palpatine in TLJ, which she doesn’t.
-Remove Palpatine telling Rey to kill Kylo, since Rey doesn’t actually make any moves to kill him.
-Keep the no-look shot out of the movie. It’s really dumb, and I don’t think the callback in TROS is worth putting it back in.
-Remove Kylo looking at the sun-drainer. It removes the tension if Kylo doesn’t go to get Rey as soon as Snoke says “Bring her to me.”
Everything else I like.
I agree with all the proposed changes, as long as you keep version 3.0 available. That way you have a purist version for people who prefer only minor changes, and a radical version for people who prefer radical changes.
All versions are up on the 'Spleen.
And I don’t have an account.
I agree with all the proposed changes, as long as you keep version 3.0 available. That way you have a purist version for people who prefer only minor changes, and a radical version for people who prefer radical changes.
At least give her and Finn another kiss during the celebration?
How about we don’t? I mostly liked TLJ, but I didn’t like how they added Rose just to say that Finn is “totally not gay.” I’d actually prefer if we reduced her role in TLJ, and reduced Zorii’s role in TROS for the same reason.
The plot for this movie actually was leaked before the movie came out. From what I saw most people hated it. They complained about most of the same things that people are complaining about now, like Rey being a Palpatine, the overly complicated plot, and Kylo’s unceremonious death. Some people refused to believe that the leaks were true, even after the trailer confirmed almost everything.
An update of my ranking, now that we have TROS and the Mandalorian:
Last minute box office predictions:
200 opening, 500 domestic, 900 worldwide.
The movie will do well at first, but negative word of mouth will result in lower box office returns, especially outside the USA.
With the caretakers being removed, it might be good to trim Snoke’s line about destroying the entire island.
I’m not really sure what that line has to do with the caretakers. I’d prefer keeping it, cutting it would be awkward.
Unfortunately I don’t have any secret sources or anything exciting like that. But hopefully I can dig up something you haven’t seen before!
I see you used a 35mm print of the 1997 SE for your source in your comparison.
It wasn’t a 35mm print, just a laserdisc upscale.
Where can I actually watch the film? I can’t find a link
PM the editor and he’ll give you the link.
He quit working on the project.
What exactly was changed in this version of the edit?
I don’t remember Kylo ever saying anything about wanting to destroy the First Order. In his “let old things die” speech, he mentioned Snoke, Luke, the Sith, the Jedi, and the Rebels, but he never mentioned the First Order.
In my opinion, the only Star Wars stuff you should show to your kids is the theatrical OT. You don’t need to indoctrinate them into becoming Star Wars fans, let them discover the other stuff on their own.
You’ve been waiting on that for more than a month now. At this point, I feel like you should just release it.
I agree that you should go back to version 66 for the “Awakening” dialogue, with only a few minor audio tweaks.
Other than that, this edit looks amazing. The Force Awakens is one of my least favorite Star Wars movies, so I’d like to see an edit that puts it on par with the OT.
‘Every change made to Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope’:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn2eD-RI-dc - from the ‘Original Thrillogy’ youtube channel
I haven’t had a chance to watch all of it yet - though looks promising going on the first 4-5 minutes…
(Is it by one of us from here?)
Given the fact that it was posted literally 1 hour ago and only has 12 views, I assume it was made by you.
Looks great, completely seamless. I don’t think you need a more obvious reveal, a subtle reveal is enough.
ANH: Revisited, ESB: Revisited, TPM (fan edit), AtoC (fan edit), RotS (fan edit), RotJ: Revisited, TFA (NeverarGreat), TLJ (my upcoming edit), and TRoS (fan edit).
Half of those edits aren’t even out yet.
That was just a placeholder image. People in the Netherlands have a free preview version of Disney Plus, and the thumbnail images are identical to the new Blu-ray covers.
These^^^
I don’t get why people are saying the battle droid head is so subtle. It’s the biggest thing in the frame. If everyone else likes it I’ll shut up, but for me it’s just distracting.
I feel like I’m the only person who doesn’t like that battle droid head. It sticks out like a sore thumb, especially in HD. Besides that, this edit is looking really good. That sunset shot is absolutely beautiful.