StarkillerAG

OutboundFlight said:

I don’t see why not.

We don’t talk about it because The Force Unleashed is probably the worst piece of Star Wars media ever. It exaggerates the Force so much in an attempt to make a cool game that it makes the Jedi seem like gods, which is a complete betrayal of the principles of the OT. It raises so many questions. Why did Palpatine build the Death Star if he could just destroy planets using the force? Why did Luke need to use grappling hooks to bring down AT-ATs if he could just destroy them using the Force? The Force Unleashed completely betrays the principles of the Force set up by the OT, and that’s why I hate it.

I don’t think that’s a valid explanation. Cam rips have been available for almost every big blockbuster in recent years. A relatively high quality cam rip of Endgame was released just a few days after the film released, and it still became the highest grossing movie of all time. I think the biggest factor in declining numbers for TROS is the mixed to negative word of mouth, from both critics and fans.

We don’t talk about that.

I personally thought the score was mediocre. The “Rise of Skywalker” theme was good, and the music during the climax was really good, but the rest of the score felt like a boring retread. There were so many reused music cues that it felt lazy. But the music does inject some soul into this bland confusing movie, and it’s John Williams, so I still mostly like the score.

lonrot said:

Hey Hal, why the 1080p version is 20 GB? There should be a compressed version using Handbrake, not everyone has ultra speed internet. A 1080p version should easily fit in 4 GB without compromising much of the quality. I can help with that.

If you can’t download the 1080p file, you can easily download the 720p file which is 9 GB, or the Tiny Encode version which is only 1 GB. Hal prefers his edits to be as high quality as possible.

The few things I liked about this movie:

-The John Williams music. It’s the only reason some scenes seem somewhat emotional.

-Poe’s conversation with Zorii. It’s a welcome break from the nonstop pacing, and I wish there were more scenes like it.

-Redeemed Kylo’s mannerisms. He seemed like a completely different person. I just wish his redemption made more sense.

I hated almost everything else.

“Meesa been every voice… yousa ever heard… inside yousa head!”

Broom Kid said:
Nobody’s going to Star Wars movies to see its rules upheld. They’re going to Star Wars to be emotionally engaged by the story being told. And that’s not really happening with Rise of Skywalker for a fair amount of its viewers.

Indeed. I understand why some people say Star Wars is emotional, not logical. But at least the OT actually had emotional scenes. With TROS, the entire movie is focused on the plot, so the plot should at least make sense. But the plot of TROS doesn’t make any sense, either as a Star Wars movie or as a regular movie.

OutboundFlight said:

Cthulhunicron said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

StarkillerAG said:

pleasehello said:

Valheru_84 said:

You’re not meant to stop and think and try to make sense of it all Hal 😉

You jest, but it’s true. That’s the way Star Wars has always been. It’s emotional, not logical. None of it makes any sense logically and if you think about the viability of certain plot elements in those terms, it falls apart. So no, you’re not meant to make sense of it all.

That’s not the way it used to be. The OT makes sense, every action is justified.

The walkers don’t make sense. Neither does the two-dimensional space flight. Nor the idea of a giant slug being sexually attracted to humanoid women.

Apples and oranges. There’s a slight suspension of disbelief with the original three movies. TROS is complete nonsense by comparison. Palpatine is resurrected with no explanation. The Sith Eternal somehow create a fleet bigger than the First Order with no explanation. The Sith fleet can’t leave Exegol even though apparently ships have been coming and going for decades. A gigantic piece of the Death Star survives the explosion in ROTJ and re-entry through an atmosphere with no explanation. Ochi for some reason has a dagger that is shaped to fit along the skyline of the wreckage, and for some reason it has Sith writing, telling him where to find the holocron, even though he already knows where it is. Did he make the dagger? Did he find it? Who knows, cause the movie never tells us. Hux saves Poe and Finn, despite not having any real reason to do so. I could go on and on.

1. Palpatine has a Sith Cult caring for him. I would imagine this same cult brought him from the Death Star (which we can see survived in part).

Possibly, but it isn’t established in the movie. That’s the main problem with this trilogy, the over-reliance on EU books to tell the story the movies should have told.

3. The fleet might be big but it has a skeleton crew. Hence the need to leave by transmitter. This wasn’t a problem when there weren’t x-wings attacking.

The fleet doesn’t have a skeleton crew. The movie very clearly showed people manning the Star Destroyers, so that argument is invalid.

4. Physics has never mattered before: the Death Star can explode in any which way it wants.

It isn’t a problem with physics, it’s a problem with continuity. ROTJ very clearly showed the Death Star exploding into a huge fireball, you can’t retcon that.

5. The dagger seems to have been a route for Ochi to reach Exogel. This makes sense because how else would be reach the hidden planet. Stuff like this shouldn’t be explained in flashbacks. It diminishes the story’s focus.

You’d think Ochi would know the route to Exogol because he’s friends with Palpatine, not because of some dumb hint that makes him look like the Riddler.

6. Hux dislikes Ren. He wants him to lose power so he can take over. This is clearly established throughout the trilogy.

Yes, but that still doesn’t justify actively helping the Resistance. You’d think he’d start a sub-faction in the First Order, not help the heroes win.

The point of this isn’t to answer random plot holes but to show the story is logical, it just requires a great deal of thinking and filling in blanks afterwards. The pacing is rushed to tell the full narrative. This fine by me if it means telling a more engaging story. No one wants to suddenly dive into a wookiepedia article as Palpatine explains all his friends on Kuat Drive Yards, which then have no relevance to the plot. What matters is he’s back and the galaxy needs to stop him.

We don’t want a highly detailed explanation, you’re making a straw-man. We just want a simple explanation. A few throwaway lines, or a flashback scene. Something, ANYTHING to allow this movie to make sense.

You can like this movie, I’m not trying to say you can’t, but don’t pretend the movie makes sense when it clearly doesn’t.

Cthulhunicron said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

StarkillerAG said:

pleasehello said:

Valheru_84 said:

You’re not meant to stop and think and try to make sense of it all Hal 😉

You jest, but it’s true. That’s the way Star Wars has always been. It’s emotional, not logical. None of it makes any sense logically and if you think about the viability of certain plot elements in those terms, it falls apart. So no, you’re not meant to make sense of it all.

That’s not the way it used to be. The OT makes sense, every action is justified.

The walkers don’t make sense. Neither does the two-dimensional space flight. Nor the idea of a giant slug being sexually attracted to humanoid women.

Apples and oranges. There’s a slight suspension of disbelief with the original three movies. TROS is complete nonsense by comparison. Palpatine is resurrected with no explanation. The Sith Eternal somehow create a fleet bigger than the First Order with no explanation. The Sith fleet can’t leave Exegol even though apparently ships have been coming and going for decades. A gigantic piece of the Death Star survives the explosion in ROTJ and re-entry through an atmosphere with no explanation. Ochi for some reason has a dagger that is shaped to fit along the skyline of the wreckage, and for some reason it has Sith writing, telling him where to find the holocron, even though he already knows where it is. Did he make the dagger? Did he find it? Who knows, cause the movie never tells us. Hux saves Poe and Finn, despite not having any real reason to do so. I could go on and on.

There’s a difference between a movie having a sci-fi/fantasy vibe where the science isn’t very accurate, and a movie being incomprehensible.

EXACTLY. I don’t understand why people don’t get this. There’s a difference between a story bending reality to achieve a point, and a story sacrificing logic because it looks cool.

RogueLeader said:

Sorry for jumping in and if I missed something. I can’t remember all the jump locations, but I feel like it would make more sense if each jump was clearly in deep space. The nebula with the space worm makes sense, but the “mirror” world felt weird. Like they jumped right in the middle of city it looked like. Maybe they could’ve just “flown right by a star or bounce too close to a supernova”. Does that make sense?

Yes, the concept could have been so much better if the Falcon encountered space related threats instead of planet related threats. So much of this movie could have been better with a simple rewrite.

DuracellEnergizer said:

StarkillerAG said:

pleasehello said:

Valheru_84 said:

You’re not meant to stop and think and try to make sense of it all Hal 😉

You jest, but it’s true. That’s the way Star Wars has always been. It’s emotional, not logical. None of it makes any sense logically and if you think about the viability of certain plot elements in those terms, it falls apart. So no, you’re not meant to make sense of it all.

That’s not the way it used to be. The OT makes sense, every action is justified.

The walkers don’t make sense. Neither does the two-dimensional space flight.

That’s all real life stuff. I couldn’t care less about the movies being “unrealistic.” But when a story breaks its own rules, that’s when I draw the line.

Nor the idea of a giant slug being sexually attracted to humanoid women.

People have different tastes. I don’t hold it against him.

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

Hal 9000 said:

I only object when stories like these are inconsistent with their own rules. I don’t care whether anything within is ‘realistic’ to our world.

I had a problem with SKB’s firing being visible the way it was since it flies in the face of a basic understanding of light within SW. The discrepancy is evident when one looks at the hilarious official explanation.

Here, jumping in and out of light speed would be expected to look like skipping a stone on a pond. It might be in a straight line, or perhaps alternating a number of directions, but this scene implies they are more or less teleporting. This is baffling when placed alongside any and everything else we’ve ever gotten about hyperspace.

By all means, and please understand me, I welcome space slugs, mysterious gravity sources, sucking up the sun gradually until it fades to night while surviving on the planet, blowing up from the Star you sucked up and turning into a planet-sized Star that looks the same, etc. However this fictional realm works, cool. But I don’t like when it breaks its own rules.

Yes, that’s exactly my problem with this scene. I don’t care about dumb nitpicks like “Why would the bombers use gravity, it’s not realistic.” But when the movie blatantly breaks its own rules by having lightspeed travel take seconds instead of hours, that’s when I draw the line. I don’t know, maybe no one cares anymore. Based on some of the comments here, it seems like some people want Star Wars to devolve into another dumb action franchise. I miss the OT.

Come the fuck on. There’s a lot that’s “dumb” in TROS that annoys me but this barely registers. I’m sorry but I care about more important things and I don’t expect Star Wars to be scientifically accurate or perfectly consistent when it comes to its tech. If you ask me, that kind of stuff has never been important (and should never be) and the fact that people spend so much mental energy on it is baffling to me. Just because it’s fantasy that doesn’t always make sense doesn’t mean it’s “dumb.”

Dislike the concept all you want (I know I’m in the minority on this point) but don’t claim I want the series to be dumb because I like it.

All that said, how long lightspeed takes has never been consistent. We barely even know how it works! And that’s the way it should be, the less explanation the better.

Okay, let’s agree to disagree. I’m done arguing.

Hal 9000 said:

The best answer is what I’ve heard a clear consensus of: don’t think about these absolute basic problems (which only arise when reckoning based on prior Star Wars, aside from any outside sense of logic or expectation), just shove popcorn in your face and enjoy the jokes and flashing lights. It doesn’t need to make sense, and it’s good they didn’t try to do anything. Just pretend you’re at Disneyland riding Star Tours. And, hey, you were foolish to get excited by what was promised: a conclusion to the 9-part Skywalker story. All you should have wanted was animated window dressing that made you feel amused during the movie’s runtime.

Sadly, that’s exactly what some people expect us to do. Like I said, people are so desensitized by the prequels and sequels that they’ve forgotten that Star Wars used to be good.

TavorX said:

Broom Kid said:

lightspeed skipping would have worked just fine from a storytelling perspective if there’d been a few seconds of setup as to what it was before he did it, especially since Rey and Poe get in a fight over his even trying it. So obviously it was a “known” thing to those characters - we just needed to have it hinted it was even a thing before he pulled it off. It wouldn’t have taken a lot, and it wouldn’t need to be tied into the plot any more than it already is (which is not at all).

Personally, I don’t have strong feelings one way or another for the concept of lightspeed skipping, but I figured the reason why it’s not used often is because it’s mechanical suicide. I mean, the Falcon is on literal fire when they land. Basically saying it didn’t need much setup because it’s depicted as a cheap and relatively ineffective method to shake off foes. Doesn’t really break the lore to me since I can’t see where the characters in the OT would even try something so silly (imagine how sooner Han and the crew in ESB would had been apprehended if he intentionally pushed the limits of his fragile Hyperdrive). It’s like super speeding in a car; sure you’ll get someplace faster but at a very heavy cost to the engine.

That’s not even the problem with the scene, the problem is the obvious internal inconsistency of hyperspace travel taking seconds in one scene and hours in all the others.

OutboundFlight said:

StarkillerAG said:

Hal 9000 said:

I only object when stories like these are inconsistent with their own rules. I don’t care whether anything within is ‘realistic’ to our world.

I had a problem with SKB’s firing being visible the way it was since it flies in the face of a basic understanding of light within SW. The discrepancy is evident when one looks at the hilarious official explanation.

Here, jumping in and out of light speed would be expected to look like skipping a stone on a pond. It might be in a straight line, or perhaps alternating a number of directions, but this scene implies they are more or less teleporting. This is baffling when placed alongside any and everything else we’ve ever gotten about hyperspace.

By all means, and please understand me, I welcome space slugs, mysterious gravity sources, sucking up the sun gradually until it fades to night while surviving on the planet, blowing up from the Star you sucked up and turning into a planet-sized Star that looks the same, etc. However this fictional realm works, cool. But I don’t like when it breaks its own rules.

Yes, that’s exactly my problem with this scene. I don’t care about dumb nitpicks like “Why would the bombers use gravity, it’s not realistic.” But when the movie blatantly breaks its own rules by having lightspeed travel take seconds instead of hours, that’s when I draw the line. I don’t know, maybe no one cares anymore. Based on some of the comments here, it seems like some people want Star Wars to devolve into another dumb action franchise. I miss the OT.

1. Some new hyperspace was invented, and most of the ships have since upgraded considering how fast things are now.

In that case they wouldn’t show hyperspace taking hours in the SAME MOVIE.

2. The planets are all very close, possibly in the same system.

Still doesn’t justify why an uncalculated lightspeed jump would lead to them landing on the surface of every planet in the system.

3. The scene isn’t proportional to time, and it actually did take an hour or so to jump from planet to planet. They just cut it out of the movie because it made for a poor action scene (as seen in TESB).

In that case there would be transition wipes. Since there are no transition wipes, it’s all part of one uncut sequence.

And I hate to say this but Star Wars has always been a dumb action franchise. Better than most, but still. The only real moment this went beyond was when Luke used nonviolence to redeem Vader. Everything else has been arguably formulaic when we look at the Samurai and Western films of the past: even Empire’s “big theme” is just “don’t be a hothead” which is altogether pretty standard.

I don’t understand why so many people on a website called originaltrilogy.com don’t even like the OT, or at least consider the entire saga to be equally mediocre. The OT has themes that say something about the human experience, that’s why it’s still so popular today. You don’t get any of that stuff with the prequels and sequels, just surface-level fanservice and nonsensical plot logic.

Hal 9000 said:

I only object when stories like these are inconsistent with their own rules. I don’t care whether anything within is ‘realistic’ to our world.

I had a problem with SKB’s firing being visible the way it was since it flies in the face of a basic understanding of light within SW. The discrepancy is evident when one looks at the hilarious official explanation.

Here, jumping in and out of light speed would be expected to look like skipping a stone on a pond. It might be in a straight line, or perhaps alternating a number of directions, but this scene implies they are more or less teleporting. This is baffling when placed alongside any and everything else we’ve ever gotten about hyperspace.

By all means, and please understand me, I welcome space slugs, mysterious gravity sources, sucking up the sun gradually until it fades to night while surviving on the planet, blowing up from the Star you sucked up and turning into a planet-sized Star that looks the same, etc. However this fictional realm works, cool. But I don’t like when it breaks its own rules.

Yes, that’s exactly my problem with this scene. I don’t care about dumb nitpicks like “Why would the bombers use gravity, it’s not realistic.” But when the movie blatantly breaks its own rules by having lightspeed travel take seconds instead of hours, that’s when I draw the line. I don’t know, maybe no one cares anymore. Based on some of the comments here, it seems like some people want Star Wars to devolve into another dumb action franchise. I miss the OT.

pleasehello said:

Valheru_84 said:

You’re not meant to stop and think and try to make sense of it all Hal 😉

You jest, but it’s true. That’s the way Star Wars has always been. It’s emotional, not logical. None of it makes any sense logically and if you think about the viability of certain plot elements in those terms, it falls apart. So no, you’re not meant to make sense of it all.

That’s not the way it used to be. The OT makes sense, every action is justified. The bad storytelling of the prequels and sequels have desensitized people to what Star Wars used to be.

And also, if the emotional heights of TROS are Chewie getting a medal and “Rey Skywalker,” then I prefer the story to at least make sense.

mykyta-R4 said:

Nearly two years has gone and he is still taking people’s money for this TLJ Edit and coming up with excuses why it is not finished? Wow!

He already finished it, last summer.
And it was awful.

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

It’s just a fun idea that leads to some really cool visuals

Yeah, but it makes no sense. Hyperspace travel doesn’t take one second, and you don’t get dropped in the middle of some exciting action scene.

Here’s the thing you’re missing: I truly could not give less of a shit about that.

Okay, you can like big dumb action setpieces like that, but for me Star Wars is more about quality storytelling than cool action. I’m not trying to be disrespectful, but I think we should expect better from the franchise.

Yeah but for me the logic of in-universe tech has very little to do with what I consider “good storytelling.”

I understand what you mean, the Falcon moves at the speed of plot, but when it’s something as blatantly obvious as the lightspeed skipping scene, it feels like JJ thinks his audience are idiots.

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

It’s just a fun idea that leads to some really cool visuals

Yeah, but it makes no sense. Hyperspace travel doesn’t take one second, and you don’t get dropped in the middle of some exciting action scene.

Here’s the thing you’re missing: I truly could not give less of a shit about that.

Okay, you can like big dumb action setpieces like that, but for me Star Wars is more about quality storytelling than cool action. I’m not trying to be disrespectful, but I think we should expect better from the franchise.

DominicCobb said:

It’s just a fun idea that leads to some really cool visuals

Yeah, but it makes no sense. Hyperspace travel doesn’t take one second, and you don’t get dropped in the middle of some exciting action scene. That’s one of the main problems with the movie: JJ was more focused on cool trailer visuals than he was on actually telling a good story that makes sense.

4D is really good, probably the best version of Palpatine’s message yet. It’s subtle enough that a hypothetical first time viewer would be left wondering who exactly was talking to Kylo, creating an air of mystery in an otherwise conclusive ending. I’m really looking forward to seeing the latest version of this edit.

yotsuya said:

The similarities between Palpatine’s and Rey’s themes are striking.

No, they really aren’t.
Admit it, there was no plan for this trilogy.

Here’s my idea for the opening crawl:

Episode IX
BALANCE OF THE FORCE

Luke Skywalker is dead.
But his sacrifice has inspired
people across the galaxy to
rise up against the evil FIRST
ORDER.

As Rey, the last Jedi, trains
for battle, she receives the
guidance of Luke’s sister Leia
and the wisdom of ancient texts.

Supreme Leader Kylo Ren searches
relentlessly for an ancient SITH
WAYFINDER, which could allow him
to unlock the secrets of his old
master…