StarkillerAG

KurganX said:

Maybe Yoda could say “my child” at one point and Luke, as he’s watching the Pyre, could whisper “Asoka…”

That would provide some links to the new legends or whatever they are calling this stuff now. I mean, if all ideas are on the table… right?

I liked how Grindhouse did it, personally.

What the hell are you talking about? I genuinely don’t understand. What would any of this add?

Also, I’m 90% sure Baby Yoda isn’t Yoda’s actual son.

Interesting article. Kind of ironic that Lucas didn’t think Darth Vader was a good villain, and now Vader is one of the most iconic villains in film history. Hindsight is 20/20.

No, of course not. There is literally no evidence for this. Where did you get this idea from?

idir_hh said:

FreezingTNT2 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

idir_hh said:

RogueLeader said:
I think it would be cool to get an Old Republic story where we see opposing Jedi philosophies come to a head, not in a violent way, but where we see Jedi debate on the nature of the Force and the dark side. Maybe some Jedi see the dark side as an evil that needs to be purged, where others see it as an aspect of all life that needs to be understood.

That would be great to watch, they can probably pull inspiration from early church history with their theological and doctrinal difference, councils etc .

Too complex and cerebral. People just want white hats and black hats whacking colour-coded glow sticks together.

FTFY (Fixed That For You)

What?
Why?
Stop?
pls.

My reaction to everything he says.

yotsuya said:

StarkillerAG said:

yotsuya said:

StarkillerAG said:

I also wish these sequel movies had more of a thematic connection to the wider saga. It would have been very poetic if the prequels were the fall of the Skywalkers, the OT was the rise of the Skywalkers, and the sequels were the legacy of the Skywalkers. Instead we got one boring OT rehash, one weird post-modernist take on the OT storyline, and one crossover fanfic where Palpatine meets the sequel trilogy characters. Hardly a cohesive trilogy, let alone a cohesive saga.

The problem with that is that doesn’t make for much of a story. If you want an ST that has the same stakes and style as the previous 6 films, you have to have some great evil threatening what the OT built. Timothy Zahn did it with clone Palpatines and Admiral Thrawn and his force inhibiting critters. To be epic enough and see if our OT heroes really did their job the ST has to threaten what they built in a significant way. We know on the Force side that Lucas basically came up with the Luke, Rey, Kylo (not a Skywalker) and Snoke structure and introcucing Luke at the very end of VII seems to have been Arndt, not Abrams. But we don’t know where either of them were going with the trilogy and if that would have been epic enough. Lucas has talked about the Whills, but no details. But for it to work and fit in, the ST has to endanger the results of the OT. The ST we got did that, though not to some people’s liking. Snoke being a clone and Palpatine’s puppet could have used some additional foreshadowing. To me it feels like a story development hiccough. They let Rian kill of Snoke because they thought Kylo was bad ass enough and then decided he wasn’t and needed something bigger. And thanks to Zahn, they had the ready made idea of a Palpatine Clone. Unless we actually get to see Lucas’s treatments (or even Arndt’s), we won’t know what the ST was going to look like before Abrams. Was it going to be epic enough? Was it going to work?

It seems like your biggest wish for a Star Wars movie is for it to be “epic”, when that was never what made the OT so appealing to so many people. The best moments in Star Wars have always been the quiet moments. Stuff like the binary sunset, and Darth Vader’s death. I think a more “epilogue” style sequel trilogy would be very much in that spirit. Much more OT style than Palpatine 2 with his 10,000 Death Stars making Return of the Jedi pointless.

P.S. I’m pretty sure Timothy Zahn didn’t write Dark Empire. He actively tried to distance himself from that storyline in one of his later books. Which just shows that bringing back Palpatine is probably not a good idea.

I feel that the saga requires that epicness because of its roots. Yes, some of the great moments are the quiet ones. But the story is of good and evil on a galactic scale. I always tie it back to its origins in Flash Gordon. Ming kept coming back over and over. You think he’s dead? Think again. Because of that I was more than okay with Palpatine’s return because it is in that spirit and it did create that epic level story. And I don’t know why so many are upset that the work of the OT heroes 30 years on is threatened by something new. That is part of the structure. Nothing lasts forever and what we see in the ST is a world where Leia helped rebuild the republic, but it has issues (and doesn’t seem to listen to her as often times happens to heroes of the past). We have planet destroying tech in the very first film so having it crop up again only makes sense. The tech exists and some new fool is intent on using it again. So I don’t feel that what we got really had any issues. I think TFA had issues and I think TLJ and TROS ran with what was started and did they best they could from a rocky start. I think the end result is better than the PT. So what if some things are recycled. If you really look at it, the PT recycled quite a bit of the OT itself so the ST doing the same thing is just following the template. I think they varied it enough to create a unique and interesting trilogy. But I don’t feel that what I’m referring to as epic and the repeated story beats have any link. I think that a really creative person could have come in and crafted a unique story that would be epic enough. I don’t think we got that really creative and different story, but we got something that was different enough and epic enough to be worth it.

I guess we just fundamentally disagree on this sort of stuff. I think big scale and epic battles don’t at all make up for a lack of creativity. I really wish there was a new threat other than the Empire again, and the Sith again, led by Palpatine again. I understand that Flash Gordon and other old serials did this sort of stuff all the time, but I think the Star Wars franchise should move beyond those cheesy pulp sci-fi roots. And also, blowing up the New Republic, the government the OT heroes worked so hard to establish, and treating it like no big deal, was a huge mistake. I understand that any new enemy needs to threaten the happy ending of the previous movies, but the happy ending shouldn’t just be thrown away unceremoniously like that.

And I only read Zahn’s trilogy once, when it first came out. So I may be confusing things, but I didn’t read that many of the novels. I felt they went off on odd tangents and the great enemy they created just never seemed in keeping with the Star Wars theme. An alien invasion of the Star Wars galaxy isn’t as epic as some new dark side threat. And rechecking the story content on Wookiepedia, Zahn did have a clone, just not of Palpatine. The later EU had a whole slew of clones of Palpatine causing trouble until he was eliminated. Like some other things, I think that Abrams and co drew on the EU for ideas. I think what they ended up with was in the spirit of the EU but done much better. Though I do wish they’d thought of the stormtrooper rebellion and planted the seeds in TLJ. That would have been a cool thing to see play out over the later two films. Instead we just have an echo of it. But the EU writers did understand epic and wrote a lot of stories that do exactly what you don’t like about the ST. Lots of rebels vs. Empire redos. With the EU spending so much energy on that, I’m not surprised the ST went that way as well. The ST is kind of a best of EU compliation. And set 30 years after ROTJ, it is long after most of the EU stories were set, so they gave the Republic a lot more years of peace than the EU did. Not saying the EU was any good, just that a lot of fans were expecting something like that and the ST delivered with lots of story points right out of the EU. Clone Emperor in a dying body (because the clones couldn’t contain his power), a fleet of ships, more deadly planet killing weapons, Sith acolytes serving the Emperor, young Jedi, other evil force users, other clones. Quite a bit is missing, but the high points of what we got are just creatively repurposed form the EU.

I know that the EU did a lot of Brave Rebels vs Evil Empire rehashes. And that’s exactly why I don’t like it. Did I ever imply that I like the EU? Because I don’t like it, at all. I don’t think “The EU had sloppy storytelling too!” is a good excuse for the plot of the sequel trilogy.

krausfadr said:

Oscar Isaac has a very distinct voice and switching between a voice actor and his real dialogue would likely be somewhat jarring. The alternative is to redub his entire scene which is also very likely to be noticeable. Also the lines added are not game changers. You could accomplish almost the same thing with just cuts.

Okay, here’s what it would look like if I used cuts instead of voice acting:

Poe: “We retrieved the intel from the First Order spy, and it confirms the worst. The largest fleet the galaxy has ever known: the Final Order. Hiding in the unknown regions, on a world called Exogol.”
C-3PO: “Exogol does not appear on any star chart, but legend describes it as the hidden world of the Sith.”
Maz: “We must find Exogol.”
Rey: “General, may I speak with you for a moment?”

I’m worried it might be too short, but it could potentially work, especially with a changed opening crawl.

RogueLeader said:

EDIT: Cool thoughts Starkiller! I think having Kylo’s search be for the fleet would be a good alternate. Do you think you could transcribe Poe’s exposition about the fleet and “Somehow, Palpatine returned.” To see how if excising any mention from that scene is possible?

This is what the theatrical version of the Resistance briefing scene sounds like:

Poe: “We retrieved the intel from the First Order spy, and it confirms the worst. Somehow, Palpatine returned.”
Rose: “Wait, do we believe this?”
Alien guy: “It cannot be! The emperor is dead!”
Human guy: “Dark science. Cloning. Secrets only the Sith knew.”
Poe: “He’s been planning his return. His followers have been building something: the largest fleet the galaxy has ever known. He calls it the Final Order. In 16 hours, attacks on all free worlds begin. The emperor and his supporters have been hiding in the Unknown Regions, on a world called Exogol.”
C-3PO: “Exogol does not appear on any star chart, but legend describes it as the hidden world of the Sith.”
Poe: “So Palpatine’s been out there all this time, pulling the strings.”
Leia: “Always, in the shadows from the very beginning.”
Maz: “If we want to stop him, we must find him. We must find Exogol.”
Rey: “General, may I speak with you for a moment?”

Here’s how I was planning to change it, with some redubbed dialogue for Poe:

Poe: “We retrieved the intel from the First Order spy, and it confirms the worst. Kylo Ren has retrieved some kind of artifact, that will help him retrieve a lost Imperial fleet: the largest fleet the galaxy has ever known. He calls it the Final Order. Once he retrieves the fleet, attacks on all free worlds will begin. Rumors say the fleet is hidden in the Unknown Regions, on a world called Exogol.”
C-3PO: “Exogol does not appeas on any star chart, but legend describes it as the hidden world of the Sith.”
Maz: “If we want to stop him, we must find Exogol.”
Rey: “General, may I speak with you for a moment?”

I think it could be pulled off convincingly. Poe seems like a role that would be easy to voice act, and there are many reaction shots of Resistance officers that new dialogue could be inserted over.

I’d really like to find an alternate reason for Kylo to search for the wayfinder, other than Palpatine’s message. I know some people have suggested that he might want to find the “source of Snoke’s power” or something, but I don’t really understand what that means. Another idea I’ve been thinking of recently is that he might be searching for Palpatine’s Final Order fleet, but that wouldn’t really mesh with Kylo’s line “What could you give me?” Maybe I could replace that line with something else, since his mouth is hidden behind his arm.

Either way, Palpatine’s reveal needs to be postponed, as much as possible. It’s so weird how the first scene in the final movie of a trilogy introduces a new villain completely out of the blue, and the final movie is focused on fighting him instead of the villains that have been set up the previous two movies. Postponing that scene by about 15 to 20 minutes would hopefully help fix this problem. Here’s what I’m thinking:

1. Change the opening crawl. Kylo is now searching for the Final Order fleet, in order to help quell the rebellions inspired by Luke’s heroic actions on Crait.
2. Theatrical opening scene, Kylo killing the Mustafar natives. Might want to add a brief insert shot of Vader’s castle somewhere. After Kylo gets the wayfinder, fade to black.
3. Transition to Falcon in hyperspace. Finn and Poe get the information from Boolio, and lightspeed skip to escape.
4. The next few scenes proceed as normal. Rey trains and has Vader-induced visions, Rey talks to Leia about her lack of concentration, Poe and Finn land and have an argument with Rey.
5. During the Resistance briefing scene, replace Poe’s dialogue. He now talks about Kylo searching for the Final Order fleet, which is hidden on a planet called Exogol. Cut all mentions of Palpatine’s return, since he hasn’t revealed himself at this point.
6. After Rey explains the wayfinders to Leia, cut to Kylo heading to Exegol. This is now the point where Palpatine reveals himself. His return has been set up in the previous scenes, and should now come as an actual shock to the audience, instead of being confusing and weird.
7. After Palpatine smiles evilly when Kylo agrees to his plans (remove him teasing Rey’s heritage), cut to the trio embarking on their journey. The stakes have been established, and it’s time to get on with the plot. The rest of the movie proceeds as normal, with some changes along the way.

I really hope something like this could work. If executed right, it could help the movie feel like an actual sequel to The Last Jedi, instead of some weird semi-standalone movie that doesn’t fit into anything. I’d appreciate some feedback on this.

yotsuya said:

StarkillerAG said:

I also wish these sequel movies had more of a thematic connection to the wider saga. It would have been very poetic if the prequels were the fall of the Skywalkers, the OT was the rise of the Skywalkers, and the sequels were the legacy of the Skywalkers. Instead we got one boring OT rehash, one weird post-modernist take on the OT storyline, and one crossover fanfic where Palpatine meets the sequel trilogy characters. Hardly a cohesive trilogy, let alone a cohesive saga.

The problem with that is that doesn’t make for much of a story. If you want an ST that has the same stakes and style as the previous 6 films, you have to have some great evil threatening what the OT built. Timothy Zahn did it with clone Palpatines and Admiral Thrawn and his force inhibiting critters. To be epic enough and see if our OT heroes really did their job the ST has to threaten what they built in a significant way. We know on the Force side that Lucas basically came up with the Luke, Rey, Kylo (not a Skywalker) and Snoke structure and introcucing Luke at the very end of VII seems to have been Arndt, not Abrams. But we don’t know where either of them were going with the trilogy and if that would have been epic enough. Lucas has talked about the Whills, but no details. But for it to work and fit in, the ST has to endanger the results of the OT. The ST we got did that, though not to some people’s liking. Snoke being a clone and Palpatine’s puppet could have used some additional foreshadowing. To me it feels like a story development hiccough. They let Rian kill of Snoke because they thought Kylo was bad ass enough and then decided he wasn’t and needed something bigger. And thanks to Zahn, they had the ready made idea of a Palpatine Clone. Unless we actually get to see Lucas’s treatments (or even Arndt’s), we won’t know what the ST was going to look like before Abrams. Was it going to be epic enough? Was it going to work?

It seems like your biggest wish for a Star Wars movie is for it to be “epic”, when that was never what made the OT so appealing to so many people. The best moments in Star Wars have always been the quiet moments. Stuff like the binary sunset, and Darth Vader’s death. I think a more “epilogue” style sequel trilogy would be very much in that spirit. Much more OT style than Palpatine 2 with his 10,000 Death Stars making Return of the Jedi pointless.

P.S. I’m pretty sure Timothy Zahn didn’t write Dark Empire. He actively tried to distance himself from that storyline in one of his later books. Which just shows that bringing back Palpatine is probably not a good idea.

I also wish these sequel movies had more of a thematic connection to the wider saga. It would have been very poetic if the prequels were the fall of the Skywalkers, the OT was the rise of the Skywalkers, and the sequels were the legacy of the Skywalkers. Instead we got one boring OT rehash, one weird post-modernist take on the OT storyline, and one crossover fanfic where Palpatine meets the sequel trilogy characters. Hardly a cohesive trilogy, let alone a cohesive saga.

Mocata said:

StarkillerAG said:
You may think the prequels are irredeemably bad and get angry whenever someone mentions them

They are, but I don’t.

Okay, it’s fine if that’s what you think. But other people think differently. I don’t think movies should be made to cater to any specific group.

My point is to tell a compelling new story you need to start with what works (the OT) and be as vague about everything else as possible (which they were to some extent). Everything else is entirely debatable since PT fans will hate anything that doesn’t continue the Anakin as Space Jesus plot which was supposedly a central idea. If I got angry about any of this I might have the energy to go way off topic, but again I don’t

I understand that, and I agree that the prequel fans clamoring for ghost Hayden to magically save the day were being unreasonable. But I don’t see how any of this means that the prequels shouldn’t be mentioned at all. I actually feel like the way TLJ went about it was probably the best way to do it. Mention the prequels when you can expand on them in interesting ways, but don’t reveal that Snoke is Jar-Jar Binks or some dumb shit like that.

Mocata said:

The balance idea never made a lot of sense considering that anyone at any time might choose to become a dark Jedi. The hubris of the old council overlooking the rise of Palpatine had to happen somehow of course, but the PT just feels contrived and makes them look like a bunch of old stoners (even before all those parodies). Beyond all that Chosen One plots are just the worst. TLJ at least did a reasonable job of look at the golden age with a sceptical eye, but even mentioning that period or any PT stuff was probably a mistake.

Why was mentioning the prequels a bad idea? Like it or not, they’re a part of Star Wars. You can’t just ignore them without making the saga feel incomplete. You may think the prequels are irredeemably bad and get angry whenever someone mentions them, but a lot of people think there were some parts that were good. TROS shows that trying to please a minor contingent of hardcore haters is almost never a good idea.

Broom Kid said:

I don’t think I’m misunderstanding what I think is a pretty obvious oversight regarding the nature of the force on the part of RJ but I’m open to hearing any possible explanations.

I think NFB’s post above is a great response, but if I could add my own counterargment on top of it: whether Rian broke the rules or not - those rules being broken led to a better movie, which is the most important thing.

Because as everyone here should be painfully familiar with by now: George Lucas doesn’t always have good ideas, and sticking to something he dreamed up simply because he dreamed it up is a pretty unnecessary set of handcuffs to put on yourself if you don’t have to.

And Rian didn’t have to.

And that’s all IF I agree with the notion he didn’t get The Force, which I DON’T agree with. We can’t even properly wrap our head around REAL religions, much less half-baked fictional ones that more or less only exist for the sake of giving a fantasy movie its magic analog. The Force being shaded and re-interpreted for each trilogy (or even each movie, really) is just as much a Star Wars tradition as the opening scroll and blue closing credits.

Everything here I agree with. Lucas isn’t perfect, and changing his conception of the force is completely fine. As long as you don’t use it as an excuse to turn the Jedi into gods, like TROS and certain EU stories did.

Once again, one of the bigger discussions i’ve seen in the past 20 years comes down to rules-lawyering a fictional religion in a fantasy movie - but the only reason that rules-lawyering has been allowed to go on so long is because Lucas had the brilliant idea to retcon Return of the Jedi with the Prequel Trilogy, retroactively making the OT and PT into Anakin’s story, and using a tired “CHOSEN ONE prophecy” arc for him, created a shaky, and almost ALWAYS misunderstood concept of what “balance” means in the force as the engine for that prophecy to run through the prequels.

I don’t understand this, or your obsession with the Chosen One prophecy. It seems like you think all the bad parts of Star Wars tie back to the prophecy, when I never interpreted it as a retcon of the OT. If anything, it actually enhances the OT characters’ accomplishments, by giving them a wider galactic context. But this is all subjective.

idir_hh said:

Rian fundamentally misunderstands the force in TLJ.
Luke: “Balance - Powerful light, Powerful darkness.” is a reductionist corruption of George’s idea of balance. The darkside is the imbalance - an abomination of the force, the Light represents the force when it’s in its truest nature- balanced. The idea that light and dark represent The ying/yang in the force is something George opposed vehemently and to me highlights just how out of touch the ST is with the 6 film saga.

But wasn’t that Hermit Luke, who was supposed to be in the wrong? It seems like that’s one of the major areas where people misinterpret the themes of TLJ. At the end, he renounces everything he said while on the island, and says that he “will not be the last Jedi.” You could say it’s another issue that the 3rd act spends most of its time undoing everything the first two acts did, but most of the stuff people say in the first two acts shouldn’t really be taken seriously when it comes to examining the themes of the movie.

RogueLeader said:

It would GREAT if instead of Rey getting a pep talk from Jedi she doesn’t know, Rey and Finn’s minds connect through the Force, and Finn, the person she actually knows, gives her that encouragement. It would sort of pay off all that build up, and Rey would realize Finn has the Force without him having to say anything.

I don’t think this is necessary. All the dead Jedi talking to Rey is the only thing that makes this movie feel like the conclusion of a saga, and we already got a confirmation of Finn’s force sensitivity with his “a feeling” moment during the final battle. It seems like a lot of work for neutral or even negative payoff.

RogueLeader said:

If anything, I would cut, “If you don’t face Palpatine, it will mean the end of the Jedi, and the war will be lost.” To me this line is too reminiscent to this interaction with Luke and Obi-Wan.

Obi-Wan is basically giving Luke an ultimatum, kill your father, or let the Emperor win. Luke later proves him wrong, so I don’t think Luke would/should give Rey a similar ultimatum. Not because of the implication that he’s telling her to kill Palpatine, because obviously she has to do that, but I think that kind of sentence puts a lot of pressure on Rey and not the best thing to say at this moment. I like the conversation being focused on her and her fears, rather than the bigger picture and her responsibilities.

I disagree. It isn’t really the same scenario. Vader was Luke’s father, and he wasn’t irredeemably evil like Palpatine. If Luke told Rey to kill Kylo, then I would understand where you’re coming from. But I feel like Luke has to emphasize that Palpatine is going to destroy half the galaxy. The stakes are huge, you shouldn’t make a molehill out of a mountain.

Hal 9000 said:

I like it! Perhaps the line “She didn’t tell me” could be removed also. With what we can all do collectively, I’d bet so, even if we had to use visual FX.

It could definitely be possible, even without VFX. Although the line could still work, even with the new context. I’d just have to see it in motion.

Also, I‘d highly amend your post to allude to the ‘transcript’ you’re pulling that from.

Thank you, I changed it. I don’t want to support that kind of stuff. I watched the movie in theaters, I’m just using the “certain resource” to see what could or couldn’t be done when it comes to editing.

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

Putting aside the “Only Holy Lucas knows the True Canon” silliness, the idea that some rando fan has a better idea of Lucas’s true wishes is ridiculous. That’s all I’m saying.

I said, tone it down. We’re all fellow fans here, and I don’t want the conversation to escalate into an argument.

Must have missed when you got promoted to moderator. My post was just to clarify that I find it silly is all. Nothing heated on my end, no argument necessary.

This is exactly what I’m talking about, your constant passive-aggressive and condescending tone to anyone who disagrees with you. You may not be intending to cause an argument, but people can be easily pissed off by such abrasive language. I’m not trying to be a moderator, I’ve just seen stuff like this happen before.

I have a “certain resource” that I’ve been using to brainstorm editing suggestions, to make sure they could work. Because of that, here’s how the scene would play out if the two lines I mentioned were removed:

Rey: “I saw myself on the dark throne. I won’t let it happen. I’m never leaving this place, I’m doing what you did.”

Luke: “I was wrong. It was fear that kept me here. What are you most afraid of?”

Rey: “Myself.”

Luke: “Leia knew it too.”

Rey: “She didn’t tell me. She still trained me.”

Luke: “Because she saw your spirit. Your heart. Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi. Your destiny. If you don’t face Palpatine, it will mean the end of the Jedi, and the war will be lost. There’s something my sister would want you to have.”

I personally think it could work. Rey’s “She didn’t tell me” line is kind of suspicious, but the implications probably wouldn’t register for a hypothetical first time viewer.

jarbear said:

^^^ Hahah, if one could do it, perfectly though, it would be funny the “old” AT-AT does shoots down Finn’s speeder when the “brand new ones” can’t do it.

But doesn’t one of the new AT-ATs shoot down Finn in Poppa’s version? If you animated one of the old AT-ATs, then had one of the new ones make the shot, it would cause a continuity error.

I personally don’t think the idea is necessary. It seems like way too much work for almost nothing. Finn’s crash comes out of nowhere in the theatrical version too, so it’s not a big deal for me.

DominicCobb said:

Putting aside the “Only Holy Lucas knows the True Canon” silliness, the idea that some rando fan has a better idea of Lucas’s true wishes is ridiculous. That’s all I’m saying.

I said, tone it down. We’re all fellow fans here, and I don’t want the conversation to escalate into an argument.

Hal 9000 said:

I’m not sure which option we will end up going with, and I remain open to 1 or 2. I think it’ll depend on whether 2 can be pulled off seamlessly in my estimation. I know a big hurdle will be the Luke scene.

Makes me sad that I would type “the Luke scene” about Star Wars Episode IX.

I actually think Luke’s mention of Rey’s heritage can be removed seamlessly if you just cut Luke’s lines “Because you’re a Palpatine?” and “Some things are stronger than blood.” That way, Rey says “I’m afraid of myself” and Luke responds “Leia knew it too.” This gives the conversation a new context, talking about Rey’s inner darkness rather than any evil heritage. This especially works if you go with option 6, where the main conflict is about Rey’s destiny.

Can you guys please tone it down? I’m smelling a flame war brewing.

Although I do agree that this should be moved to the “Script Writing and Rewriting” subforum. There are many threads there that aren’t for fully fleshed out scripts.

marduk666 said:

If you want a twist for the movie, how about Rey buries the lightsabers and then looks at the camera and her eyes are sithy and you hear a palpatine laugh like from the trailer. Palpatine wins, end of saga.

So basically the ending of Thriller?

Mocata said:

rocknroll41 said:

$1.073 billion at the moment. Hopefully it at least ends up making more than Joker (which ended its run at $1.074 billion).

Why?

I guess he hates Joker.