The link got deleted, what was it? Saltier Than Crait? Reylo Twitter? Because both of those places are toxic as hell.
I think you would have to cut less than you think. If you never saw the movie before, you probably wouldn’t even notice the difference, pacing-wise. At the very least, you might want to insert dialogue here and there to replace some of the dialogue you remove.
I’ve thought about it, and you would have to cut a lot. Here’s everything you’d have to remove:
It’s a lot, and I’m worried it would make the film feel even more rushed than it already is. And like I said, Rey being worried about going evil is probably too generic of a conflict for the final movie of a saga.
That’s what I was suggesting. It would be a hell of a coincidence for Ochi to kidnap her parents at the exact same time they abandoned Rey, but Star Wars is a coincidence heavy franchise so it’s not a big deal for me.
You could, but you’d have to cut a LOT of footage. It certainly wouldn’t help with the pacing issues, and I think it’s a good idea to give Rey some sort of character conflict beyond “I’m turning to the dark side”, which is a problem for basically every Jedi.
I guess a Rey Nobody edit would just about have to be a ‘Drunkard Parents’ cut, too. Why else would they have sold her “to protect her”? They wouldn’t have had any reason to know Palpy was after her because of what she would become.
Yeah, I was thinking about changing that. I think the best option would be to redub Kylo’s masked dialogue. Instead of the whole “your parents were good people” thing that undermines TLJ, Kylo would put emphasis on Ochi kidnapping and killing Rey’s parents. They still sold her for drinking money, but then they were kidnapped by Ochi.
Oh boy… Here come the Jedis…
Boooo.What’s wrong with Jedi? They’re literally the cornerstone of the entire franchise. It’s pretty unreasonable not to expect them in some form. Go watch Star Trek if you want soft sci-fi with no mystical powers.
lol Calm Down. It just suits my personal canon better the fewer Jedis we have running around.
Okay, I’ll relax. But I disagree with your idea that Ahsoka making a cameo means we’ll get a prequel situation with loads of boring Jedi everywhere. If you watched Clone Wars and Rebels, you’d know that Ahsoka isn’t your typical Jedi.
I kind of wished they did try to de-age Hamill for Luke or something. If Din really needs to meet a Jedi.
If done right, (and I think it could be) I’d absolutely love that.
I’d also like something like that to happen, but I’m cautiously optimistic if it can be pulled off convincingly. Disney won’t keep pouring unlimited money into this show, so the effects will get more “TV” as the show goes on. De-aging effects look great in high-budget movies, but I’m not so sure if it can work here.
Not to be that guy, but wouldn’t Star Wars be the “soft” sci-fi in contrast to the “hard” science-fiction of Star Trek?
Both are soft. Once you look past the technobabble, Star Trek has almost no scientific accuracy. Hard sci-fi, at least in my definition, is stuff that has at least the scientific accuracy of the movie Interstellar. That movie is the bar that separates “hard” from “soft” for me.
Now that we’re talking about potentially changing the origin story of the Sith fleet, I wanted to share something from the early leaks that could be relevant to the conversation.
One of Jason Ward’s leaks, from before the D23 trailer, described the Final Order / Wayfinder stuff differently than what we ended up getting. Here’s how he described it:
“The fleet is why Kylo Ren needs the Wayfinder device, I’m told. The fleet is the key Kylo Ren needs to unlock Palpatine’s legacy. This is sort of a Pandora’s Box for Kylo, it seems. He thinks he’s getting himself something powerful that answers to him, but Palpatine is not so willing to share his toys with anyone. Palpatine’s contingency plans weren’t to make sure Darth Vader’s grandson received his inheritance.”
This contradicts the final movie, where Kylo is looking for Palpatine specifically instead of the fleet, and Palpatine’s contingency actually was to have Kylo inherit his empire. However, I feel like the way the leaks described it would be much more interesting. It would be nice to have some tension between the two Sith, instead of a bland master-and-apprentice relationship. And also, Kylo searching for the lost fleet could be an effective way to remove all mentions of Palpatine from the opening crawl, giving Kylo an alternate reason to search for the Wayfinder.
NFB, if you could find those that’d be very helpful. I’d love to be able to spin it in that direction. The official explanation is just so farfetched. Smuggling spare junk doesn’t lead to the largest fleet in history that exactly replicates an old Star Destroyer model.
Yeah, the whole “They conjured legions of Star Destroyers!” thing needs to go. A thousand Ringwraiths on a desolate lightning planet probably couldn’t build a fleet powerful enough to destroy the entire galaxy. A lost Imperial fleet stashed away as one of Palpatine’s contingencies would make much more sense. The fleet was described that way in some of the early leaks, most of which were much better than the actual movie. I’ll try and post some of that stuff that might be relevant to fan editing.
Oh boy… Here come the Jedis…
Boooo.
What’s wrong with Jedi? They’re literally the cornerstone of the entire franchise. It’s pretty unreasonable not to expect them in some form. Go watch Star Trek if you want soft sci-fi with no mystical powers.
Eh… I don’t really imagine removing it. It’s… fine. I buy JJ intended that to be gently hinted at in TFA, but TLJ dropped it without a trace. So… this might be a reasonable split of the difference. I’m glad they didn’t have him using telekinetic powers or anything, though. Just… feelings.
Apparently he originally was going to use the Force to help open that hatch on the Star Destroyer, but that was changed.
Wasn’t that the “JJ Cut” leak, on Saltier Than Crait? I’m pretty sure that leak has been thoroughly debunked.
By the way, what is your plan for the “I never told you” subplot? You’ve been kind of cryptic about it, and I’d like to get a clearer picture of what you’re planning.
Here is my attempt at the opening. I added the opening shot of Mustafar from Rogue One, as well as doing my best to color grade it to match The Rise of Skywalker. I even used music from the soundtrack that was part of the opening that didn’t make it in. Some VFX work can be done to remove Krennic’s shuttle.
https://vimeo.com/398946856
PASSWORD: faneditThe color correction works, the music isn’t quite there. I’d recommend using the track “Journey to Exegol,” which is what plays when Kylo battles on Mustafar.
That is the track I used, it’s extended on the soundtrack but wasn’t featured in the movie. Give it a listen, just after the crawl fanfare.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOqtn4DZerA&list=PLohYzz4btpaRp8QSC2e9gzyZ1hd7byj_X
Wrong track, that one is called “Fanfare and Prologue.” It was intended for the deleted scene of Kylo talking to the Oracle, and doesn’t really fit into the final movie. The one Dom was talking about, “Journey to Exegol,” is the one that plays immediately afterwards. It has a neat fusion of Kylo’s theme and the Mustafar theme from ROTS, and it would be really cool to hear during an extended opening scene.
EDIT: I see you corrected your post, so this post is kind of pointless now. I would like to hear the other track during the Mustafar scene, if someone could be able to do that. I haven’t been able to figure out this whole editing thing.
Can we convince Poppasketti to incorporate it into V3 before it goes live in 24hrs?
If you would like that, then yes.
Here it is:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/103cYP-VZokJkrt4kLr8LJzZcWiFn0YQg/view?usp=sharing
Decent idea, but I can’t get over that alien’s Barney the Dinosaur voice. You tried to make it more serious, but that voice just makes it seem even more silly. Maybe some kind of alien language with subtitles would be better?
I mean, Palpatine has to have some sort of first name, right? Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t like it if they kept calling him “Palpatine,” without even identifying his full name.
I always loved the end of BEOWULF where king Hrothgar say, “I am so glad you came, Jeff Beowulf!”
That’s not really the same situation. Beowulf is a legendary mythic hero from a culture that might not even have had multiple names, and Palpatine is a silly character in a movie about space wizards. As long as they don’t mention it in the movies (which they haven’t, so far) I’m fine with him having a first name.
“Sheev” doesn’t sound any better or worse to me than any other made up Star Wars name, to be totally honest.
Something about it really bugs me. Not just how silly it is, but the fact that it’s not in any of the films and was added so much later. Just feels fundamentally wrong to me.
I mean, Palpatine has to have some sort of first name, right? Maybe it’s just me, but I wouldn’t like it if they kept calling him “Palpatine,” without even identifying his full name. It’s just a silly made-up name, it isn’t something important like Yoda’s origins.
Thanks, I think I will. Sorry I haven’t been active on this forum for a year. That’s what happens when you have tons of other things to do. As for Anakin, he will be completely replaced with a new actor with completely new lines. Jar Jar is staying, but I will do everything to make sure he’s nothing like the Jar Jar of the original film.
Welcome back! I hope you finish your edit. I know real life can be a big issue when it comes to stuff like this.
A lot of stuff on your editing list sounds promising, but some of it is way too ambitious. Stuff like hiring a new actor for Anakin or replacing all CGI with practical effects would likely cost millions of dollars. You might want to rein in your ambitions a little bit. Focus on the stuff you can accomplish right now, then go from there.
One weird sense of continuity not followed I’ve noticed at all my viewings, is no fade to black at the end credits just a cut to black. It felt like no one at Lucasfilm didn’t think of that despite it being a way it always been done from the originals, special editions, prequels, 7, 8 and the spin offs. Then again this film had very little thought or care put into it but that’s a different topic. I know it’s a strange nit pic, its the credits. It’s just when your when your use to something ending some way for years and the supposed last episode in the Skywalker saga does a cut to black, it’s like Porky Pig not saying “That’s All Folks.” at the end of Looney Tunes. Now it may have been fixed for home release I won’t know til the 31’st, but I just thought I throw that out there.
What are you talking about? The end of the movie had a circular wipe into the credits, just like every other Star Wars movie. I don’t know what you mean with this “fade to black” or “cut to black” stuff.
I assume he means at the very end of the credits?
That makes sense. Not a big deal to me though, since I don’t sit through the end credits of most movies.
One weird sense of continuity not followed I’ve noticed at all my viewings, is no fade to black at the end credits just a cut to black. It felt like no one at Lucasfilm didn’t think of that despite it being a way it always been done from the originals, special editions, prequels, 7, 8 and the spin offs. Then again this film had very little thought or care put into it but that’s a different topic. I know it’s a strange nit pic, its the credits. It’s just when your when your use to something ending some way for years and the supposed last episode in the Skywalker saga does a cut to black, it’s like Porky Pig not saying “That’s All Folks.” at the end of Looney Tunes. Now it may have been fixed for home release I won’t know til the 31’st, but I just thought I throw that out there.
What are you talking about? The end of the movie had a circular wipe into the credits, just like every other Star Wars movie. I don’t know what you mean with this “fade to black” or “cut to black” stuff.
Any ideas on how to keep Ben alive?
“as I once fell, so will the last Skywalker” is depressingly anticlimactic considering the title of the film.
- Ben has no consequences for healing Rey, matching how the power was shown the previous times it was used.
I mean, that wouldn’t match how it was used before, at least not the first time. In this scenario you’d want to cut out Rey clutching her hand after she healed the snake and her saying that she transferred some of her life to it. I feel like the people surprised by Ben’s death must have missed this, for me I knew right away when he climbed out of the pit what was going to happen.
What I meant with “matching the other times” is that Rey never seems to be affected by healing other people. She didn’t seem any weaker when she healed Ben’s fatal wound. I agree that it doesn’t match Rey’s description though.
- Cut Ben rising out of the pit, but add him to the Tatooine scene to confirm he survived the fall.
I don’t think you’d want to cut Ben climbing out of the pit. As well, I think you’d have to have him on Tatooine even if you don’t have him die after healing Rey.
Yeah, it’s probably not a good idea. I just saw it suggested by some people before the movie came out, when no one knew about the healing scene.
I think Option 1 is by far the best, and someone on YouTube already posted a rough edit of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQYXtnsjsf0I like the idea, but I wonder if it could be executed well. Even in that video, the reused shots are somewhat obvious.
Personally I don’t think that works at all and I don’t really see the point.
Could you be a bit more constructive? What don’t you like about it, and why don’t you see the point of keeping Ben alive?
Any ideas on how to keep Ben alive?
“as I once fell, so will the last Skywalker” is depressingly anticlimactic considering the title of the film.
I’ve also been thinking about that. It’s not a big deal for me, but I still wonder if it could be done.
Just like I posted for removing Rey Palpatine, here are the top 3 suggestions I think could work:
Leia resurrects Ben after the healing scene, using the footage of her body disappearing.
Ben has no consequences for healing Rey, matching how the power was shown the previous times it was used.
Cut Ben rising out of the pit, but add him to the Tatooine scene to confirm he survived the fall.
I think Option 1 is by far the best, and someone on YouTube already posted a rough edit of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQYXtnsjsf0
I like the idea, but I wonder if it could be executed well. Even in that video, the reused shots are somewhat obvious.
I personally think Rey Palpatine needs to go. I couldn’t care less what the canon says.
The question then becomes, what could replace it as Rey’s main character conflict? I think the 3 best options are:
Palpatine killed Rey’s parents, and she wants revenge.
Rey accidentally killed her parents, causing a conflict over her inner darkness.
Nothing happened to Rey’s parents, play up the Dark Rey vision sequences instead.
Option 1 is probably the easiest, given that not much would have to be changed. Option 3 is the second easiest, although it might result in a lot of footage being cut. Option 2 is the most difficult, although the payoff might be worth the extra VFX work.
Either way, I hope we find a good solution soon. Fixing Rey’s story is the main editing request I have for this movie.
Wow, I never knew about that until now. Guess I just haven’t been paying attention.
Also, I just realized that Oscar Isaac forgot to take off his necklace during reshoots, and now I can’t unsee it:
Hopefully someone like Poppasketti or Snooker should be able to fix that.
Holy shit, I did not remember the colors for this movie looking so… pukey. It looks like someone barfed all over the camera and no one bothered to clean it for the entire filming of the movie. What the hell were they thinking?
Those regraded colors look pretty good though. Hopefully our combined efforts can salvage something decent out of this mess.
Is the baby’s name supposed to be “Aska”? Is that what that means?
I think he meant to say Ahsoka. Which just makes it even weirder, since why the hell would Luke know about her, and why would he whisper her name at Darth Vader’s grave? This “suggestion” is just so weird.