I also filled out my opinions. I think the final results of the poll might be interesting, and could possibly form a guideline for a potential community edit.
I also agree that the establishing shot should come after the chess scene. That way, you could include the entire scene, with the alarm sound indicating that they’re about to arrive at Tatooine.
This edit helps cement the idea that these people are a family now, instead of Rey being completely alone on a desert planet at the end. Her friends are there waiting for her : )
It also helps explain why BB-8 is there, he’s just a curious little friend : )
I’m gonna join everyone else in saying that this is an amazing idea! This and the new shot of the Falcon leaving really help emphasize that Rey isn’t staying on Tatooine, making the ending much more satisfying.
Combine this with DomCobb’s rescore idea and the ending would basically be perfect in my opinion.
I thought this was a joke, but then I looked it up on the Star Wars wiki and holy crap it’s real:
The two Sith Lords retired to Plagueis’s penthouse in the Kaldani Spires building to celebrate Palpatine’s upcoming success. There, Sidious plied Plagueis with wine while rehearsing the acceptance speech he would soon deliver before the Senate. Watching as Plagueis became increasingly intoxicated, Sidious waited patiently until his master fell asleep before unleashing torrent after torrent of Sith lightning upon him, basking in the Muun’s agony, as he slowly tortured his master to death.
Sometimes I wonder what goes through EU writers’ heads.
Peace is a lie there is only passion
Through passion we gain strength
Through strength we will fix this trilogy
Through fixing this trilogy our chains are broken
The fanedits shall free us.
I guess I must be one of those weird Grey Jedi, cause I kind of agree with that too 😉
It’s ok it’s just a movie. You have to stop this wallowing in despair now or forever will it dominate your destiny.
Consume you it will! As it did the people on Twitter and Reddit.
In all seriousness though, I agree. I’m not the biggest fan of the ST, but I’m not depressed and miserable about it like Neverar seems to be.
Here’s a rough idea for changing the music in the final scene:
https://vimeo.com/415655381As nice as this is, I wouldn’t end the Saga on character centric theme. The Force Theme, as overused as it is, is perfect because it’s universal within the Saga.
I disagree, I see it as important for the forward-looking nature of the ending. We’re used to the force theme with the binary sunset, but now it’s Rey’s turn.
Yeah, it’s all about Rey forging her own path beyond the Jedi and Sith, which is what her character arc should be the whole trilogy. And the Force theme is so overused that any instance of it without some significant variation just feels bland.
It also helps that there was at least a rough plan for the prequels, regardless of their eventual execution. Anakin’s fraught relationship with Obi-wan, the loss of his mother, the forbidden love…these storytelling decisions are in service to his character and in the hands of a better director they could have been realized brilliantly. On the other hand, the storytelling decisions of TROS act in opposition to Rey’s character and actively undermine it.
That is true. Whether you like Anakin’s portrayal in the prequels or not, you can’t deny he had a consistent character arc across the trilogy. Rey, on the other hand, is basically a completely different character every movie. In TFA she’s a streetsmart scavenger with a heart of gold and a mysterious past, in TLJ she’s a clueless novice whose parents were random losers, and in TROS she’s a Sith princess who spends most of the movie staring introspectively into the middle distance. I really wish there was only one writer-director for this trilogy, because everyone’s character arcs would have been a lot better.
I’m sure that was everyone’s first thought, but obviously it wouldn’t match in the slightest. I’m guessing Ceaser from Planet of the Apes is probably the same situation, but I’ve only seen the first of the ones he’s in, and he barely talks in it, so if someone could back me up on this, that’d be nice.
The other two movies aren’t any better when it comes to matching Snoke’s lines. In the second movie, he SHOUTS! ALL! HIS! DIALOGUE! ONE! WORD! AT! A! TIME! And in the third movie, he says all his dialogue in an ultra-gravelly voice that sounds nothing like Snoke.
Here’s a rough idea for changing the music in the final scene, using poppa’s WIP final shot:
https://vimeo.com/415655381
Awesome! This actually makes the ending seem satisfying, rather than the bland nostalgia trip we got in the theatrical cut.
Is this the series that all the hate channels are posting on about feminism? I don’t click on them to avoid giving them views. They seem to be making a huge deal of it, what’s up with that?
I haven’t seen those videos, and I never intend to. But if I had to guess, it’s because she’s a woman, and they think all women working on movies and TV are “diversity hires”, therefore the feminists are taking over.
I’ll never understand how anyone can think like this.
I actually think the dark vision idea would just require some dialogue changes from Kylo and some clever quick shots in the vision.
I don’t think it’s that easy. You would need to somehow create a whole scene of Rey killing her friends, along with Kylo dialogue to back it up. I don’t think that’s really feasible with what we have.
Yeah but to the average viewer, they look identical from the back.
I don’t think they look too similar. As long as you remove Rey’s “I’ve seen that ship before” lines, and either remove or alter the shot of Ochi’s ship leaving Jakku, you should be fine.
I think the cleanest way of removing that issue would be to change the model of the ship in her flashback, removing any connection between Ochi and Rey.
Or you could change the TROS flashback ship to the one seen in TFA, since that movie actually had a different design for Rey’s parents’ ship:
It doesn’t really mean anything to anyone here because yeah, the movie is just not enjoyable to watch - but I at least respect AotC more than TROS. It’s fun and funny to call it straight garbage - I don’t really care - but George was trying to do something with it that is more admirable in concept than stroking nostalgia or cheap thrills. For as out of touch and misguided those prequels were - the cynical moneymaking aspect isn’t as pronounced, and the elements of it that are there was still encouraged with creativity.
Maybe my anti-establishment uncle just got to me early on, but AotC’s flavor of bad is preferable for being an earnestly missed shot - not a calculated attempt to please as many people as possible.
inb4 someone invalidates this opinion as nostalgia or irrelevant to how bad it is or whatever
True. This whole trilogy has been an exercise in pointlessness, an attempt to get back all the money Disney lost from buying Lucasfilm. Now that Disney made their money back, it seems like they’re starting to hire more independent creatives who are making Star Wars out of pure passion for the franchise. And so far, it seems like it’s paying off.
Opinion: Joking about Sheev fucks aside, I did kind of like the implication that Palpatine was human and not just an evil warlock. Not like the film does anything about it, but I like the dark side as something rooted in our passion and humanity. Sure - Palps as corrupted by his own greed and ambition works fine for that, but it kind of helps his “Ultimate Sith” title if he was also guided by all the human sins, including possessive love or at the very least sexual vices. He can manipulate Anakin and Luke so effectively because of his empathy for the same desires he might have had once.
I don’t think Rey should have been his granddaughter, but I really see no reason why they retroactively made Palps Jr. a clone. It turns an already stupid plot element even stupider.
Also true. Palpatine’s son being a clone is one of the most unnecessary retcons in history. It was clearly done out of a misguided attempt to please the Twitter crowd, without actually understanding what they were complaining about.
can’t break what’s broken to begin with xPPPP
I don’t think the movie was broken to begin with either, even though there are a lot of dumb plot points. But that’s just my opinion, and it seems to be one that very few people here have.
I guess since I’m one of the few people on this website who doesn’t hate TROS, I should just shut up. But I recommend that a lot of the hardcore haters should try and watch it again. If you’ve already watched it twice or more, but still hate it, then I understand.
I was on record here in saying that I would have counted this movie as a win as long as we got an adventure with the entire crew for the first time, and the trailers were a cause for hope. There they all were in the Falcon, there they were in the desert, and for the record that’s the best part of the movie for me. On a surface level their banter is fun and it checks all the boxes for an adventure. The problem is that the entire exercise is tangential to the plot and, crucially, doesn’t move Finn, Poe, Chewie, or Threepio forward as characters. The main plot would have been entirely unaffected had Rey gone alone. So even the sure thing of the group adventure was ultimately a failure. Add to that Rey Palpatine, Sheev again, and the Dumb Sith Fleet and the movie becomes a complete waste of time.
Yeah, the secondary characters being sidelined was one of the movie’s biggest flaws. But I don’t think it breaks the movie, we still get some nice moments with them even though they’re not very consequential.
I guess since I’m one of the few people on this website who doesn’t hate TROS, I should just shut up. But I recommend that a lot of the hardcore haters should try and watch it again. If you’ve already watched it twice or more, but still hate it, then I understand.
It’s truly mind boggling to me that someone could have two problems with this movie, and one of them is that a specific kind of TIE fighter doesn’t have hyperdrive. Like, you realize how ridiculous that sounds right?
The Space Shuttle Atlantis uncouples from the ISS at the conclusion of another successful mission. On the other side of the space station, a VW Beetle from Russia fires its retro rockets on approach.
Not the same thing. Star Wars isn’t real life, and you don’t need to read an obscure EU book to know that a VW Beetle can’t fly in space. I’m not bothered by it at all, and I love the imagery of an X-Wing and a TIE fighter parked next to each other. It really helps illustrate Rey and Kylo coming together.
Obi-wan says that this TIE fighter is specifically short range in the original movie, no EU required.
But that implies there are also long range fighters. It was only the EU that established none of the Imperial fighters can jump to lightspeed, so I don’t see the problem. And like I said before, I think the idea of “plot holes” as an objective measure of quality is dumb in general.
We could endlessly argue about whether or not a TIE fighter could make it across the galaxy, but this discussion is only a distraction from the fact that the entire Rey/Kylo dynamic of the film is utter trash.
I heavily disagree. I personally felt the Rey and Kylo dynamic was good, but you do you I guess. And you could do well to be less hyperbolic, instead of calling this movie “utter trash” and “hideous” as if it’s the worst Star Wars movie ever made (which it isn’t).
I think it comes pretty close. It’s my least favourite Star Wars film, and that includes AOTC. There’s essentially no story here, just a big McGuffin chase, cool visuals, and a metric ton of nostalgia, callbacks, and more holes than Swiss cheese.
That’s what my first reaction was after the movie came out, but after rewatching the movie on home video I’ve warmed up to it. You’re entitled to your own opinion of course, but I don’t see how it could be considered the worst Star Wars movie by any measure.
It’s truly mind boggling to me that someone could have two problems with this movie, and one of them is that a specific kind of TIE fighter doesn’t have hyperdrive. Like, you realize how ridiculous that sounds right?
The Space Shuttle Atlantis uncouples from the ISS at the conclusion of another successful mission. On the other side of the space station, a VW Beetle from Russia fires its retro rockets on approach.
Not the same thing. Star Wars isn’t real life, and you don’t need to read an obscure EU book to know that a VW Beetle can’t fly in space. I’m not bothered by it at all, and I love the imagery of an X-Wing and a TIE fighter parked next to each other. It really helps illustrate Rey and Kylo coming together.
Obi-wan says that this TIE fighter is specifically short range in the original movie, no EU required.
But that implies there are also long range fighters. It was only the EU that established none of the Imperial fighters can jump to lightspeed, so I don’t see the problem. And like I said before, I think the idea of “plot holes” as an objective measure of quality is dumb in general.
We could endlessly argue about whether or not a TIE fighter could make it across the galaxy, but this discussion is only a distraction from the fact that the entire Rey/Kylo dynamic of the film is utter trash.
I heavily disagree. I personally felt the Rey and Kylo dynamic was good, but you do you I guess. And you could do well to be less hyperbolic, instead of calling this movie “utter trash” and “hideous” as if it’s the worst Star Wars movie ever made (which it isn’t).
It’s truly mind boggling to me that someone could have two problems with this movie, and one of them is that a specific kind of TIE fighter doesn’t have hyperdrive. Like, you realize how ridiculous that sounds right?
The Space Shuttle Atlantis uncouples from the ISS at the conclusion of another successful mission. On the other side of the space station, a VW Beetle from Russia fires its retro rockets on approach.
Not the same thing. Star Wars isn’t real life, and you don’t need to read an obscure EU book to know that a VW Beetle can’t fly in space. I’m not bothered by it at all, and I love the imagery of an X-Wing and a TIE fighter parked next to each other. It really helps illustrate Rey and Kylo coming together.
Obi-wan says that this TIE fighter is specifically short range in the original movie, no EU required.
But that implies there are also long range fighters. It was only the EU that established none of the Imperial fighters can jump to lightspeed, so I don’t see the problem. And like I said before, I think the idea of “plot holes” as an objective measure of quality is dumb in general.
It’s truly mind boggling to me that someone could have two problems with this movie, and one of them is that a specific kind of TIE fighter doesn’t have hyperdrive. Like, you realize how ridiculous that sounds right?
The Space Shuttle Atlantis uncouples from the ISS at the conclusion of another successful mission. On the other side of the space station, a VW Beetle from Russia fires its retro rockets on approach.
Not the same thing. Star Wars isn’t real life, and you don’t need to read an obscure EU book to know that a VW Beetle can’t fly in space. I’m not bothered by it at all, and I love the imagery of an X-Wing and a TIE fighter parked next to each other. It really helps illustrate Rey and Kylo coming together.
Awesome work, this edit is looking better the more clips you post!
The only flaw I noticed was that there was an obvious jump cut in the shot of Rey with her back to the camera. If you fixed that, this change would be perfect.
Someone on r/PrequelMemes just made a ROTS/TCW mashup in this style:
4 hours is a long runtime though. Ideally a perfected edit would get that down to about 3 hours.
It’s a shame that even after Carrie’s death, Iger refused to give them an extra year.
He did give them an extra six months though, to be fair, since it was originally supposed to come out in May 2019.
At the same time as Avengers Endgame…
Imagine how hard that would have bombed.