Was Rey’s parentage actually an essential part of her character? That’s what everyone assumed after TFA, but in the movie she basically just drops the question after Maz says they’re never coming back. I feel like Rian directly addressed the Rey theories just to show that he “subverted the fan expectations” or whatever.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure you’re one of the only two people who likes that, the other one being Trevorrow of course. I liked most of the alternate script, but even I thought that romance was forced.
Although I did like Kylo’s arc, which was another one of the widely hated parts of the script. The only problem with it is the subplot about Kylo’s messed up face, it feels too much like Doctor Doom.
No offense but this feels like the most un-Leia thing to do. I could maybe see it from Luke, only if Snoke tricks him into a force vision of the only solution for the Republic’s survival being a common enemy or something, and Luke is desperate to not fall into the same mistake as the old Jedi. But Leia? After Alderaan, directly allowing innocents to die? That’s not Leia.
Yeah, you may have a point there. I just want to add more of a tragic note to Leia’s character. If it could be done a better way that would be great, but my main goal is to have all 3 original heroes be somewhat responsible for Ben’s fall.
I’m curious, how would this be able to be developed? The crawl to Force Awakens, and maybe adjusting her conversation with Han about Kylo? She says “it’s my fault” during that conversation…
I was thinking more in terms of a rewrite. It’s probably not possible in the movie itself.
Han Solo, famously nice to 3PO.
Yeah, I don’t think anyone in the saga likes Threepio. Might be best to just cut that line completely.
Yeah, that’s what I was trying to go with in my idea. Leia created the First Order as a small terrorist force for the Republic to band against, but when Snoke took over it mutated into a genocidal empire. That caused Leia to reconsider her belief that war is a necessary evil, and led to her founding the Resistance to oppose the regime she accidentally created.
Honestly, the basic idea of Leia creating the First Order as something to unite against is good, I just wouldn’t have her stay in charge of them. She gets in over her head hiring local warlords and imperial remnants to unite and when Snoke comes along with a new vision for them she realizes how badly she fucked up.
Yeah, that could actually be a nice way to give a tragic note to Leia’s character. I’d imagine something like this:
After the end of the war, Leia was disappointed at the new government’s pacifist direction. She created the First Order to keep the Republic united against a common enemy, but when Snoke rose to power, she realized that she had accidentally created a new Empire. When the Senate found out, she became an exile from the government. She tried to make amends by creating the Resistance, but deep down she’s still ashamed of indirectly turning her son to the dark side.
This would probably fit better in the rewrite thread though.
I still don’t really understand. Choking Jabba was really the only remotely dark thing Leia did, and it was after Jabba was heavily implied to rape her. It wouldn’t fit with Leia’s character at all to be this trilogy’s Palpatine equivalent.
Sorry, but that’s almost certainly not a good idea, even for a rewrite. A vengeful Leia becoming the new emperor would be even more of a depressing ending than what we got, and it just doesn’t make sense for the character. She got her home planet blown up by the Empire, and now she wants to emulate them?
I don’t think that’s necessary. I’m happy with how it looks now, since the cut between Rey walking away and the Falcon taking off implies passage of time. If anything, it actually emphasizes that the suns are rising instead of setting, which is a poetic way to close out the story.
Probably not a worthy endeavor. Pleasing everybody is impossible, and we already have edits for almost everyone’s opinions on the movie.
The video indicates that there’s a new remaster and restoration of the complete film scores…but the 2018 disney cds with the same art have the same old track listings as the LPs and no bonuses. And this video is from this year…
The video is a bit misleading. They didn’t restore the entire score, they just recreated the OST tracks using the original tapes.
Also, I don’t think anyone has pointed this out yet, but the Trade Federation guys wouldn’t work either. Anakin killed them in Episode III.
In general, I don’t think reusing old shots for the big finale is a good idea. It seems like a big nostalgic fanservice scene would have to be a decision made during production, and it just isn’t feasible here.
I don’t think he killed the entire species.
He didn’t, but those two are recognizably Nute Gunray and his assistant, and Anakin killed them both.
Remember, no download links! 😉
I cannot see the video for some reason. Does vimeo require an account now to watch videos?
No, it was just an error.
I really like it. I was worried it would be cheesy, but the indistinct comm chatter really helps sell that there are people behind these ships.
Also, I don’t think anyone has pointed this out yet, but the Trade Federation guys wouldn’t work either. Anakin killed them in Episode III.
In general, I don’t think reusing old shots for the big finale is a good idea. It seems like a big nostalgic fanservice scene would have to be a decision made during production, and it just isn’t feasible here.
Not sure about that. If you could film entirely new footage of people in spaceships then maybe it would feel natural, but as of now it just feels like a meme. I mean, Ric Olie and Baby Yoda, seriously?
Sounds interesting. I suspect many people will want to create 3-in-1 or 3-in-2 edits of the sequel trilogy, similar to what happened with The Hobbit.
You should remove that link though, posting download links to edits is against forum rules. You’ll need to PM people who want the edit instead. I just sent you a PM myself.
Yeah, I don’t think the rescore works either. The opera singer makes it feel way too emotionally manipulative.
OutboundFlight’s restructure idea might have some promise though. Although you would need to remove the background voices saying “Another ship down, we’ve lost a destroyer!” since they haven’t started blowing up the Sith fleet yet.
I think Anthem of Evil was used too sparingly in the film. I only really noticed it after a few watches, definitely needs to be emphasised throughout.
Yeah, that’s one of the examples of “great music” I was talking about. I think re-scoring the entire movie using old music is the wrong approach. Instead we should emphasize the music that’s already there, and bring the score more in line with Williams’s intentions.
Yeah I watched Sideways video a couple weeks ago and he explains how TROS really kind of missed the mark on the usually very well-thought out placement of Star Wars.
I disagreed with most of his points, and I’m not bothered by a lot of the weird thematic placement. But I do want to restore some deleted Williams tracks, like “The Speeder Chase” and “Anthem of Evil.” I’m convinced that Williams didn’t do anything wrong musically, he was just screwed by JJ’s ADHD editing.
Possibilities for Prequel music are:
-Battle of Heroes for Rey V. Ren on the DSII until the the TROS music starts
That could be good. I’ve seen edits of it on YouTube, and it really highlights the Anakin vs Obi-Wan parallels. I think Duel of the Fates fits better though.
- The choir from Duel of the Fates for Rey meeting with Palpatine for the Sith Eternal
Don’t think that would work. The Sith Eternal choir is supposed to be in-universe Sith language, it would be jarring if they suddenly started singing Duel of the Fates. Like I said before, I think that track would fit much better in the Death Star wreckage duel.
- And from my own testing Across the Stars in some capacity works very well with Ben reviving Rey
(But I would recommend that that there be some remixing, maybe slower or deeper or mixed in with the TROS music that goes on during this scene… really anything done will probably be good)
I’m not sure about that. Across the Stars is supposed to be a theme specifically for Anakin and Padme, it would be just as weird as the moments Sideways pointed out if it suddenly became the “tragic love” theme.
I think Anthem of Evil was used too sparingly in the film. I only really noticed it after a few watches, definitely needs to be emphasised throughout.
Yeah, that’s one of the examples of “great music” I was talking about. I think re-scoring the entire movie using old music is the wrong approach. Instead we should emphasize the music that’s already there, and bring the score more in line with Williams’s intentions.
Re-scoring the entire film seems like so much work… even though it’s needed. I know for my cut, that’ll be what I do last.
Does the entire film need to be re-scored? Some parts are a bit lame, but this movie adds a lot of great music that I would hate to see replaced.
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I don’t think referencing the primary subject of this board is a “crusade”. Or how anything else I say on here is anti-Disney to be honest. Chill out.
But almost everything you say about Disney is negative. Even when it isn’t a bad thing at all, like Temuera Morrison playing Boba Fett. You said that it proves Disney is trying to force the SE’s down our throats, when they just cast him because that’s how Boba canonically looks like. That’s what I meant by “assuming the worst”.
Everyone forgets how much Empire Strikes Back was hated when it came out for that twist we all find iconic now. They complained it went against everything we knew in Star Wars… similar to how people reacted to the Last Jedi.
Is that true? I know people thought Vader was lying at first, but did they really think it was against Star Wars? There had only been one Star Wars movie at that point, so I doubt it.
As for new characters that were introduced in Rise of Skywalker, the two most prominent were both added to the script for the same reason: to shout “No homo”. Zorri doesn’t serve the plot, and is only there to be a romantic interest from Poe’s past. Jannah is meant to be a romantic interest to replace Rey (for the sake of Reylo shippers) and Rose. And there was no way we could allow Poe and Finn to have a romantic connection despite their chemistry, fans, and even actors’ desire… but it’s good to know there’s a line JJ won’t cross for fan service.
I agree with Zorii, which is why I’m planning to either remove or drastically reduce her role in my TROS edit. But was there anything vaguely romantic with Finn and Jannah? I thought their connection was more about both of them being former stormtroopers, so they’re like siblings in a sense. I didn’t get any romantic vibes.