StarkillerAG

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

If you’re making a parody edit, yes. But for a serious edit, it’s a terrible idea.

It’s the same “it was me all along” plot idea as Palpatine’s return, no less silly in my opinion.

Except Palpatine is already a well-established villain character, who has been teased to know something about cheating death. Jar Jar is just a stupid clown who does nothing over the entire prequel trilogy. Not to defend TROS, but Palpatine’s return is way less silly than Darth Jar Jar.

If you’re making a parody edit, yes. But for a serious edit, it’s a terrible idea.

I know that as editors, canon doesn’t matter, and we can do whatever we want. But “whatever we want” ideally shouldn’t include Jar Jar being an evil Sith mastermind. That idea is dumb, it always has been dumb, and I don’t understand why some people unironically vouch for it.

thebluefrog said:

StarkillerAG said:

He was, but Sidious clearly manipulated him to do it. There’s even a chapter in the Aftermath trilogy where Jar Jar is shown as being an outcast for unwittingly allowing Sidious to rise to power.

It’s extremely likely that neither JJ, KK, or Rian read Aftermath, or indeed most EU books. Maybe they read a wiki summary at best.

The directors and Disney in general don’t really care about the canon as much as the fandom does. Pablo probably has a headache with every new script that comes out as he has to explain the latest contraction.

I know that, especially since TROS clearly contradicted the new canon at several points. But it’s still evidence that the whole “emergency powers” thing was intended to be Sidious manipulating Jar Jar, not the other way around.

He was, but Sidious clearly manipulated him to do it. There’s even a chapter in the Aftermath trilogy where Jar Jar is shown as being an outcast for unwittingly allowing Sidious to rise to power. All of Jar Jar’s actions were intended for comic relief, not to show him as some sort of evil mastermind.

You clearly haven’t been here in a while. It was actually one of our own users, Jonh, who created that. It was done specifically for Hal’s edit, so I don’t think Hal’s suddenly going to change his mind.

Can we please not do Darth Jar Jar? It would be one of the worst possible choices to make in a serious edit.

Honestly, think about it. Most of the “evidence” is just unfunny comic relief moments that the fans wildly misinterpreted. It isn’t even paid off in the prequels anyway, making it completely pointless. I have no idea why some people take this “theory” seriously.

It’s a Rebel artillery cannon. Earlier in the thread there are photos of Luke using a silver version against wampas.

But if you cut the scene on Pasaana, then you’re left with no explanation for how Lando knew where the Resistance base was. The earlier scene establishes that Leia is already in contact with Lando, and creates some conflict over whether he will return. If you remove that scene, then it seems like Lando just pops out of nowhere, which was the whole problem in the first place. It seems like it doesn’t really improve anything.

EvantheKidDS said:

For the up-scaled Revisited, which resolution do you think would be best? 720p or 1080p (960p)?

720p, probably. That’s the resolution the entire Revisited trilogy is going to be in, and it makes the upscale less noticeable.

But he literally says in the scene, “Leia sent me a transmission.” The implication is that he was informed about the heroes picking up Luke’s search, and went to meet them at the festival.

I don’t really have a problem with Lando’s scene in the desert. Cutting it makes Lando’s appearance even more random, and it contains some important exposition about the hunt for Ochi.

ray_afraid said:

could you start your own thread about it? so I don’t have to read about it?
Thanks.

Why do you have to be so hostile? It’s directly related to Revisited, so why can’t he post it here?

Watch Solo first, definitely. There are some bad parts, but overall it’s worth your time.

I haven’t seen Cowboy Bebop, so I can’t advise you on that. I’m not a big fan of anime, although I’ve been trying to watch some to see what the fuss is all about. Maybe I’ll check it out.

Movies Remastered said:

Did anyone do a version of TFA that kept Kylo Rens helmet on during the Rey interaction scene?

DigMod did, in his “Heir to the Force” edit. It’s not very convincing, but it’s still an attempt.

Did anyone come up with a different way of Rey escaping for Kylo’s ship in TFA other than using Jedi mind tricks?

22Popcorn86 did, in his TFA Redux Cut. He added a voiceover from Maz telling Rey to use the Force, which then causes Rey’s restraints to be removed.

Who did the best version of TLJ and using most new/fan created scenes?

If you’re looking for the most fan-created scenes, you should probably go with Poppasketti’s TLJ Rekindled. There’s some amazing VFX work in there.

Yeah, I agree. The mythological themes help, but they shouldn’t be the only focus. Between the prequels and the sequels, I feel like the balance of mythology and social commentary is hard to strike. Only the OT has gotten it right so far.

Yeah, you’re kind of right. George can get carried away with his imagination a lot, and the whole “Anakin is the main character of Star Wars” retcon is dumb. But I don’t think you should just wave away the mythological aspect as a pointless distraction. It’s been a key aspect of the franchise from the beginning, with the OT being a textbook example of the hero’s journey. Just because the prequels used mythology as well doesn’t mean that using mythology is a bad thing.

DominicCobb said:

Anyway I feel like I’m gonna tap out. I don’t really care enough about these silly “ST ruined a perfect 6 episode saga” arguments. I’ll have to check back in 15 years from now when all the posters think the ST is the best thing since sliced bread so I can tell them how wrong they are.

That’s not what I think, stop strawmanning me. The prequels have a lot of flaws, but at least they follow classic mythological structures more closely than the sequels do. George Lucas understands those things, while Disney only seems to care about trying to please fans.

DominicCobb said:

I think you’re really just looking at it all wrong. I’m not sure I understand the argument.

I could say the same for you. I don’t understand at all how the prequels fit the hero’s journey. I guess the sequels kind of fit it, but Rey’s journey has so many unnecessary distractions that it’s hopelessly confused.

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

You can’t read the full draft yet, but you can read a plot summary here:

https://makingstarwars.net/2020/01/i-read-colin-trevorrow-and-derek-connollys-final-star-wars-episode-ix-script/

I don’t think it’s much of an improvement. Mustafar, Coruscant, and Mortis are replaced with generic planets, and there’s a female Knight of Ren who only exists to give Rey and Kylo someone to team up against once Kylo turns good.

What’s wrong with a female knight of Ren?

Did you even read what I said? I don’t have a problem with the idea in theory, it’s just that she only exists to give Rey and Kylo someone to team up against.

But can you define what kind of myth it is? The OT is a hero’s journey, and the prequels are a Greek tragedy, but I don’t see any mythological themes in the sequels.

You can’t read the full draft yet, but you can read a plot summary here:

https://makingstarwars.net/2020/01/i-read-colin-trevorrow-and-derek-connollys-final-star-wars-episode-ix-script/

I don’t think it’s much of an improvement. Mustafar, Coruscant, and Mortis are replaced with generic planets, and there’s a female Knight of Ren who only exists to give Rey and Kylo someone to team up against once Kylo turns good.

Yeah, the definition gets a lot looser once George stops being the showrunner. The first six movies were under one single vision, but now it’s basically a free for all.

I think the definition of the Star Wars saga depends on which trilogies you include.

If you only include the OT, it’s the story of Luke Skywalker. We watch as he goes though the hero’s journey, in the style of classic mythology.

If you add the prequels, it becomes the story of Anakin Skywalker. We watch as he rises, falls, and rises again, in the style of a classic tragedy.

If you add the sequels, it becomes the story of the Skywalker family. We watch as they go through their lives, ending with someone who isn’t part of the family taking their name.

But we don’t really know if George would have wanted that. We know that he wanted the protagonist of the sequel trilogy to be a woman, but we have no record of him wanting her to be Luke’s daughter. I would be wary of making assumptions about that kind of stuff. All you have to go on is your own personal opinions, which can be biased.

So basically, you’re saying that you wanted Rey to be a Skywalker by birth? Because if you are, then I don’t really agree with you. I wish they had just gone down the nobody route.