StarkillerAG

I was thinking this poster would fit more with the style of the other two, with some editing:

I can’t wait to see this! I’ve been watching the discussion on TROS edits from the beginning, and it will be great to see all that work pay off.

Hal 9000 said:

And, Chase, in my version as it stands… 3PO wakes up from surgery and meets Frik, then Hux reveals Chewbacca (beginning with blast door raising), then Kylo heads to the planet in his (other?) TIE.

That might be a bit weird, considering how long the gap between Chewie’s capture and being taken prisoner would be. Maybe you could just cut Hux revealing Chewbacca completely, like Dom is planning to do?

I think it might have been intended for Palpatine’s lair, before they realized that an enormous lava cave would go way over budget, and decided to make the throne room part of the Death Star.

Maybe you’re right. At the very least, I’m glad we can both agree that the lesbian kiss was a dumb PR move, and that JJ wasn’t intentionally trying to piss off fans (although he certainly ended up doing that).

Okay, my mistake. I guess I just misinterpreted Hal’s comments. I do think that after Rey senses Chewie is way too late to incorporate that scene though. Maybe you could just cut Chewie meeting Hux completely.

It would actually be pretty easy to remove the medallion thing. You would just need to cut the dialogue where the characters talk about it. The whole thing is actually not that plot relevant, since they immediately get spotted anyway.

I guess I just don’t understand where you’re getting this from. Like you said, Zorri is just intended to be another person who delivers important exposition, who just happens to have a pre-existing relationship with one of the characters. She wasn’t intended in any way to please China, especially given the fact that Star Wars doesn’t make any money in China anyways. The lesbian kiss was a dumb PR move, but not one that was intended to spite fans. Given how much JJ was playing safe with this movie, I doubt he would intentionally give a middle finger to any segment of the fanbase. If you don’t like Zorri’s role, that’s your opinion, but I don’t see how it was done to piss off fans.

I meant that Hal put the scene of Chewie being revealed to be alive after Kylo points his finger at Hux. Hal’s structure looks something like this:

• Rey talks about her vision
• Falcon is brought on board Star Destroyer
• Kylo talks to Palpatine through the Force
• Characters decide to go to Kijimi
• Characters meet Zorri
• C-3PO agrees to get his memory wiped
• Kylo points his finger at Hux
• Chewie is revealed to be alive
• Babu wipes C-3PO’s memory
• Poe talks to Zorri
• Rey fixes D-0’s wheel
• C-3PO reveals the Wayfinder’s location
• Rey realizes Chewbacca’s alive
• C-3PO reboots with an empty memory
• Kylo lands on Kijimi
• Characters land on Star Destroyer

Hopefully that clears it up a bit.

That’s not where he has it. In his diagram, it’s after Rey realizes Chewbacca’s alive. Your idea is probably better though.

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

Not sure if I’d like that either. I’ve never really liked shipping in general. Two fictional characters hooking up just seems like a completely inconsequential thing to get all worked up about. There are far more important issues with this movie that should be focused on instead.

I get that. I was against it until Abrams made LGBTQ+ representation part of the marketing campaign, only for it to be two unnamed characters in the background of a wide shot.

They had incredible chemistry, and Oscar Isaac not only wanted the romance but played scenes up with that intention. Zorri was only put in the film to solidify that both characters were straight… which is kinda insulting. Of all the things to bog the film down with, shouting “no homo” with a pointless cameo for one of the director’s friends while selling the opposite idea to the public was just messed up. I’ve adjusted my cuts to help fix this.

I guess I just don’t understand why the lesbian kiss at the end made you want to change Finn and Poe to be gay purely out of spite. It was a dumb PR move, but I don’t understand why the entire trilogy needs to be restructured because of it.

And I really don’t see how Zorri was intended to show that Poe is straight. Literally no interviews with the cast or crew support that idea, and I doubt that they’d go out of the way to piss some people off. It feels like one of those ideas that angry Twitter people came up with, and no one questioned it.

Not sure if I’d like that either. I’ve never really liked shipping in general. Two fictional characters hooking up just seems like a completely inconsequential thing to get all worked up about. There are far more important issues with this movie that should be focused on instead.

How about we don’t? Their forced romance was already one of the worst parts of TLJ, and I’d hate to see it included in this movie.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: TFA isn’t a ripoff of ANH. I still don’t see how they are the same movie, beyond some surface-level similarities that were obviously intended by the filmmakers.

Other than that, I agree with JakeRyan. It seems like Lord and Miller were trying to go with their signature “tongue-in-cheek” comedic style. That sort of style works for animated movies like the LEGO movie and Spider-Verse, but not so much for a movie about a young man’s loss of innocence. Nothing against them, but I’m glad they were replaced.

Wait, I thought you were recommending the idea! I was trying to argue for why it’s bad, my mistake.

At least they had the foresight to cut it, though.

Yeah, that’s the reason why I’ve always thought Finn being Lando’s son was the worst idea ever. There are almost no black people in Star Wars already, why make the few that already exist related to each other?

Subtitles may be a good idea in moderation, but I wouldn’t rely too much on them. Excessive subtitles in Star Wars edits can take me right out of the movie.

By the way, I’m sorry for supporting that YouTube guy earlier. I didn’t know that all subscription-based systems were against the rules, not just the ones that the editor profits from.

Because two lightsabers are better than one.

Darth Muffy said:

seems you even fixed the long pause in the original when Rey catches the sabre to when she gives her line.

I think you’re just misremembering, it was like that in the original version.

But I agree that the scene is perfect now, I don’t see any issues with Yoda or anything else. Jonh doesn’t need to make any fixes.

Could I also get a link?

But the similarities with TFA aren’t beat-for-beat. There are similar motifs, and intentional allusions, but the plot, characters, and locations are not the same by any stretch of the imagination. Just like with TPM.

Like I said, those moments of similarity are taken completely out of context, and often are deliberate allusions that the director wasn’t even trying to hide. You’re confusing Lucas-style “poetic rhyming” with plagiarism.

Oh, so we’re going with the old “TFA is a ripoff of ANH” argument then? That criticism has never made any sense, because almost all of the plot points are completely different.

I don’t remember Luke being abducted by Vader while the Empire raided Mos Eisley, and Obi-Wan didn’t die at the same time as the Rebels were attacking the Death Star. Leia wasn’t a defecting Imperial soldier who wound up meeting Luke on Tatooine, Han didn’t “die” in the first act only to come back later, and R2-D2 wasn’t carrying a map to Yoda.

You get my point yet? The plots of TFA and ANH are almost completely different. Just because they have some similar images that can be taken out of context and juxtaposed next to each other, doesn’t mean one is a ripoff of the other.

Sorry, but I just don’t get your logic. I’ve always been of the opinion that when it comes to big blockbuster movies, it’s better to be safe than sorry. Darth Leia/Jar-Jar/Luke would have been an incredibly controversial decision, and most people probably would have hated it. In my opinion, plot twists should be done to advance the story, not just to shock the audience with something completely random.

But creativity doesn’t mean quality. For example, one can argue the prequels were original, but they were not good movies by any stretch of the imagination, partly because of the insane stuff they came up with in the name of “creativity”.

And either way, the Knights of Ren would make much better villains than Leia, Luke, Jar Jar, or any other former hero. “Turns out this good character is now evil” isn’t a very satisfying plot twist.

If you think the problem is not coming up with new villains, then Jar Jar wouldn’t be a good option either, given that he’s already an established character.

I do agree with your basic point though. If I had it my way, the villains of IX would be the Knights of Ren. After returning from some sort of expedition into the Unknown Regions, they begin to harass Kylo for not following their code of honor. This feeling of isolation eventually leads Kylo to join the Resistance, although they obviously don’t trust him at first. After that, the Knights take over as the main villains, and the climactic duel is Rey and Kylo vs the Knights.