StarkillerAG

After Rey hears the voices of Jedi past, she then hears the voices of Jedi present and Jedi future, and starts believing in Life Day.

I didn’t know that Luke was the villain of Episode 4.

Or that Rey was the villain of Episode 7.

Dazman said:

Very interested how Luke is alive in this edit, I assume his shots are recycled from TLJ and BTS footage form TLJ and TROS? Surely recoloring his blue as balls force ghost (to make him look alive again) is beyond even the skills among fan editors? =)

The editor actually recolored Luke’s ghost, from blue to a more flesh-like color. He admits that it isn’t seamless, but it works well enough.

I’ll send you a PM.

Hadrian sunrider said:

No way I can tell this story in one trilogy. Trust me, I have this Star Wars reboot pitch that is even more radical than anything on this forum that essentially is the whose who of the legends and Disney canon(aphra, thrawn, Kyle katarn, lord Hoth). You will literally see almost everyone on this f@cking saga in the movie at some point…and none of them will be “normal”.

Wow. I read through that whole thing, and it was… different. I actually think you could change the names and pitch it as an original sci-fi franchise, and it would probably be a lot better.

idir_hh said:

Instead of re-using the line from ROTS maybe you could use the line from the trailer: “long have I waited, and now… The day of victory is at hand, the day of the Sith.”

The reason he’s reusing the line from ROTS is because he cut the Yoda vs Palpatine duel, and therefore it would be the first time that line appeared in Hal’s saga edits.

Umm, where’s the clip?

It’s probably version 1, since that’s the only version that didn’t try to emulate the color on the Technicolor prints. Version 2 onward had the yellowish color grading you see now.

Ed Slushie said:

Frame interpolation? Frame interpolation?

We went over this already, it won’t work. It just looks obviously slowed down, rather than helping with the pacing.

Anchorhead said:

Weird. The 2006 release of the GOUT is the last time I watched Star Wars. Back then it was on an older flat screen TV, some sort of 30-something inch. Truth be told, I have no real idea about the quality. At the time, I was so beyond Lucas having ruined the film for me, I paid little attention to the quality. I should give it a look one of these days. Considering the fact that Disney and/or Lucasfilm have done fuck-all to release it properly, it’s entirely possible I’ll go the rest of my natural life without ever seeing again what was my favorite film in the 1970s.

Well played, Mr. Lucas.

You should download one of the fan preservations. They’re much better quality than the GOUT.

bbghost said:

This is the best quality I can find of the actual Palpatine broadcast file. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaqWN3Orb9Q

If I can find the audio of the actual cue that’s playing underneath it I can probably isolate it out fairly well without messing with Palpy’s voice too much.

Here’s where the music comes from:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvMtMfIr-sU

I still don’t understand why the writer for the ROTJ novelization decided making Owen Obi-Wan’s brother was a good idea. Luke calls Owen “uncle”, so unless Obi-Wan was intended to be Luke’s other uncle (which isn’t likely), it doesn’t really make sense.

I would have preferred Owen to be Anakin’s literal brother, but the canonical explanation of him being Anakin’s step-brother is fine too.

JakeRyan17 said:

I dunno, I disagree. They talk about the Intel from Hux as confirming the broadcast, not the first they’re hearing of it. I also don’t feel it’s redundant because everyone already knows the information, if anything the second broadcast is the redundant one. But ¯_(ツ)_/¯ of y’all don’t wanna use it, don’t use it. The first act of The Rise of Skywalker was designed with that broadcast having already taken place. I was just trying to suggest a place where it would make sense, rather than having major plot points that motivate the opening actions of the characters take place off-screen.

But the first act wasn’t designed with that plot point in mind, all evidence points to it being a last minute decision. When Hux’s message says that Palpatine has returned, everyone looks shocked, Rose asks “Wait, do we believe this?” and Ackbar Jr. responds “It cannot be, the Emperor is dead!” Their reaction clearly contradicts the opening crawl by implying that it’s the first time they heard of this, so removing the mention of the message in the crawl, like Hal did, actually improves continuity.

The main way to get them is on the Star Wars Trilogy forums, but those have been closed to new members for a while now. You can still get them on public torrent sites, though.

JakeRyan17 said:

They don’t really comment on anything about the hopelessness of Luke being gone and the joy of being alive.

Umm, yeah they do. That was literally the entire point of the scene of the Falcon.

They also don’t comment on Snoke being dead, or Kylo being alive, or several other major plot points.

That’s because that sort of stuff is nowhere near the same level as Emperor Palpatine himself returning from the grave. That stuff is just unexpected, Palpatine’s return would seem downright impossible to them.

Like, they did not stop the First Order at all, or even give them a setback. There isn’t need to comment on it until they can regroup and start investigating it.

But you’d think they would be much more shocked about it than they are in the original cut, where they’re just shocked over no one responding to their message. The complete lack of even one line saying something like “What? That’s impossible!” is just weird.

Not having the message at all feels… convenient. It’s just as unbelievable in the theatrical releases, but now as an audience we don’t have the evidence of his return that our heroes have (even if we do see Palpatine with Kylo). It’s such a strange plot point, to have a galaxy-wide message that forces the entire galaxy back into fearful submission, and on top of that not even include it into the films. As odd as it may be that people wait a bit to talk about the message onscreen, it’s more odd to not have the message at all.

It wasn’t the message that forced the galaxy back into submission, it was just the First Order ruling with an iron fist. Palpatine’s message didn’t occur until one year into the First Order’s reign, by which time they had already established control over the galaxy.

Also, the doubt expressed at the beginning of Rise of Skywalker helps support the lack of them immediately talking about the message at the end of Last Jedi.

That just exacerbates a problem that was already present in the original cut: When they get Hux’s message, they act shocked, as if they had no clue Palpatine had returned. It explicitly contradicts the opening crawl talking about Palpatine sending a message to the entire galaxy. Since the message was such an obviously contrived plot point inserted last-minute, I think Hal was right to remove it completely.

I mostly prefer the 4K77 and 4K83 versions. In case you don’t know what those are, they’re 4K restorations of the original film prints for A New Hope and Return of the Jedi. They’ll be releasing 4K80, which is a scan of Empire Strikes Back, soon. Until then, I’m going with Despecialized when I want to watch Empire.

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

jarbear said:

<Insert Kylo your still holding on Meme.>

Here you go:

Seriously though, I agree with you. I just don’t see the purpose of Palpatine’s message. It isn’t necessary at all, and it doesn’t improve the movie in any way.

I really liked putting in into the ending of Last Jedi, when they’re searching for transmissions from allies. That helps make Leia’s “The Spark is out” line more crestfallen, and Luke’s appearance/apparition more heroic.

I saw that change you made, but I don’t think it works. It’s just weird that no one is surprised by it, and no one comments on it for the rest of the movie. I think the message would be best left out.

That’s fair, though they all look horriefied and Leia says “the spark [of hope] is out.” Then Luke shows up and they have a lot of other things to worry about through the end of the film. Then the next movie starts with Poe and Finn investigating.

But it’s just weird that no one comments on the complete impossibility of the situation, like “What, how is Palpatine alive?” And then they seem strangely happy at the end of the movie, given that the main villain was just revealed to be alive. I really don’t think the message would work, especially not in TLJ.

JakeRyan17 said:

StarkillerAG said:

jarbear said:

<Insert Kylo your still holding on Meme.>

Here you go:

Seriously though, I agree with you. I just don’t see the purpose of Palpatine’s message. It isn’t necessary at all, and it doesn’t improve the movie in any way.

I really liked putting in into the ending of Last Jedi, when they’re searching for transmissions from allies. That helps make Leia’s “The Spark is out” line more crestfallen, and Luke’s appearance/apparition more heroic.

I saw that change you made, but I don’t think it works. It’s just weird that no one is surprised by it, and no one comments on it for the rest of the movie. I think the message would be best left out.

jarbear said:

<Insert Kylo your still holding on Meme.>

Here you go:

Seriously though, I agree with you. I just don’t see the purpose of Palpatine’s message. It isn’t necessary at all, and it doesn’t improve the movie in any way.

Trying to give an honest, unbiased answer to the question, not influenced by my opinions on the movies:

ANH: Anyone can be a hero.
ESB: One must learn how to deal with failure.
ROTJ: Everyone has good inside them.
TPM: Coincidences can result in enormous change.
AOTC: Evil can sometimes hide in plain sight.
ROTS: Too much attachment results in greed.
TFA: Evil will always return, but so will good.
TLJ: The old ways are flawed, but they still have value.
TROS: Friendship can be a powerful ally.

JakeRyan17 said:

You could have the Ahch-To scene (sans burning TIE) near the beginning, possibly even tying it into Rey’s training somehow. That way Luke can still give it to her…

That could be a good idea as well. Maybe some kind of “a few months earlier” flashback, just to set up that Rey has it.

I’m cutting the Ach-To sequence completely. After healing Kylo, Rey goes with Finn and Poe back to the Resistance base. Finn and Rey’s conversation would be inserted on the way back, to show that Rey is traveling with them. When DO is decrypted by the Resistance, he gives them the location of Exegol, achieved by cutting Poe’s line “Except how to get there”. The next time we see Rey, she’s approaching Exegol in an X-wing. Since the fighter has no visible damage at all for some reason, the only logical assumption is that she piloted a spare X-Wing from the days of the Rebellion. The flashback of Leia training with Luke would be inserted earlier in the movie, setting up the appearance of Leia’s saber.

JakeRyan17 said:

Well, his crashed ship is still functional,

Not if you cut that scene in TROS, which I’m actually planning to do. It makes Luke’s display of Force awesomeness on Crait just look stupid.

and his conflicted feelings about it just emphasise that he let Han die. Because if he regretted or was even conflicted about his decision, he wouldn’t have cut himself off from the Force so completely. Toning down Luke’s “giving up completely” only makes him more of a villain.

But like I said, his only option of escape was cut off (at least in this version), so it’s not like he could do anything about it. It would just create the impression that he didn’t feel it was necessary to open himself to the Force, because he had no idea how much death and destruction the First Order were causing.

Well, you like the saber toss, but I don’t, so our editing motivations are clearly at odds here. But I think it makes sense for Luke to be conflicted. He’s never been one to just give up hope. I’m trying to convey a sense that Luke began to regret his decision after the years went by, but he had already crashed his only means of escape into the ocean. When Rey comes bearing his old saber, Luke realizes that he finally has a chance to return and redeem himself, but he’s still not convinced whether that’s a good idea.

Glad you finally found some relevance in this pointless conversation. I agree that removing some humor would make the movie flow better. But I’m still not sure if Luke giving the saber back to Rey can be pulled off seamlessly. In every clip that I’ve seen, the footage is obviously reversed.

One option I’ve seen that might have promise is Luke just keeping the saber, and walking off with it. I think it could be pulled off through some simple cutting, and it would show that Luke is conflicted over whether he should return, rather than flat-out refusing to help.

fmalover said:

OK, just let me be clear. There’s a difference between having no issues with something and thinking it’s wonderful, they’re not one and the same.

IDK, ever since I first saw TPM I was never bothered by Jar Jar Binks, and whenever I rewatch the movie he still doesn’t bother me. I get how he gets under people’s skin, but what truly puzzles me is the white hot outrage around the character.

I hope I’ve made myself clear this time around.

Okay, got it. I understand completely. He may not be great, but he’s certainly not the worst part of the prequels.